FHB Logo Facebook LinkedIn Email Pinterest Twitter X Instagram Tiktok YouTube Plus Icon Close Icon Navigation Search Icon Navigation Search Icon Arrow Down Icon Video Guide Icon Article Guide Icon Modal Close Icon Guide Search Icon Skip to content
Subscribe
Log In
  • How-To
  • Design
  • Tools & Materials
  • Restoration
  • Videos
  • Blogs
  • Forum
  • Magazine
  • Members
  • FHB House
  • Podcast
Log In

Discussion Forum

Discussion Forum

Big Sag on Lath & Plaster Ceiling

| Posted in General Discussion on November 29, 2000 01:27am

*
I’ve got a 1921 Bungalow with a saggy lath & plaster ceiling in the family room. It was covered over at some point with 1/2″ mesh reinforced plaster board so it’s in pretty good shape except over time the added weight of the add on has caused a strong 4″ sag over the 16′ span of the 2×4 ceiling joist (go figure). I installed an attic space over new ceiling joist and have yet to sister the old (2×4) with the new because I’m at a quandary as to what to do! I’d like to install crown molding at some point so leaving it as is not an option.

Should I try and jack any of it up and then fur and sheet rock over it or what. oh and I’ve got 1st generation rock wool insulation above so a total tear out is not an attractive idea.

Thanks for any advise!!

Jared

Reply
  • X
  • facebook
  • linkedin
  • pinterest
  • email
  • add to favorites Log in or Sign up to save your favorite articles

Replies

  1. mark_cadioli | Nov 28, 2000 10:05am | #1

    *
    Jared,

    If you already have a floor in place, sistering the old ceiling joists will be next to impossible. Pull out the old ceiling, fur and hang sheetrock.

    kind regards
    mark

    1. Jeff_Clarke_ | Nov 28, 2000 03:40pm | #2

      *Jared - Your ceiling 'joists' are so undersized that it's amazing that the whole thing hasn't collapsed. A 4" sag sounds about right. You have compounded the problem by creating attic space, which does have a floor loading requirement (light, but still there). Don't use this space!A possible fix other than just starting over as suggested, would be to add 'strongbacks' a time-tested method of supporting undersized or over-spanned ceiling framing. With 2 x 4's on that span you'll probably need two and you should abandon the attic use to lighten the load. Basically, you add framing i abovethe ceiling that runs perpendicular to the ceiling joists. For instance (and not sized to your application) 2-2x10's set vertically are nailed together and to a flat 2 x 10 plate. The new 'strongback' is set in place with ends bearing over bearing walls and the framing underneath is shored up slightly to reduce bending. The 2 x 10 plate is then glued/toenailed to the tops of all the ceiling joists and the shoring removed. As noted you would probably need 2 of these to reduce the span to around 5' or so. Did I mention that you'd probably have to cut a hole in the outside wall (do you have a wall louver or vent?) to get the long members in, or a hole in the ceiling if you think you can manage it that way.Pull permits and get help for this work before you make another decision!Jeff

      1. JB_@_Square_&_Level | Nov 28, 2000 09:12pm | #3

        *Jeff,Thanks for the info. To clarify, the attic space is on new 2x6 & 2x8 ceiling joist with no current load from the ceiling below. The attic is thus not a problem. My issue is finding the best means to right the plaster ceiling which as I mentioned hasn't yet been sistered to the new members, i.e. get rid of the sag or at least most of it.Do you have any other helpful advise?Jared

        1. John_Sprung | Nov 28, 2000 09:59pm | #4

          *My upstairs ceilings are 2x4 joists on 16" centers spanning 15 feet, built in 1926. They don't sag at all, and the original plaster is in good shape. Therefore, I'd guess that the big problem with your building is that extra layer of sheetrock hanging from the joists. In total, you just have way too much weight on them. I'd second the motion to pull it all down and start fresh.-- J.S.

          1. GACC_DAllas | Nov 29, 2000 12:24am | #5

            *Jared,You have a problem. I've been in the next room when two such ceilings fell without warning. Happened so fast there was no way anyone was gonna get out in time. For some lucky reason, no one was in the room either time. Thank you St. Joseph.If you have 2x6 or 2x8 joist floating above this ceiling, that's perfect. Just jack up the old ceiling and hang 2x4's off the new joist to hold up the old joist. Then go downstairs and re-screw off the old ceiling using a long enough screw to grab the old joist. The wood or wire lath that was holding the original plaster ceiling has more than likely pulled loose. You have to reconnect it. I read here a while back, that there are screws with some kind of wide (or wider) head for this very application. Check the archives for sagging plaster ceilings and see what you come up with.Good luck, and move out the furniture now.Ed. Williams

          2. Jeff_Clarke_ | Nov 29, 2000 12:46am | #6

            *I agree with Ed except in the use of the term "jack up." You want to i shoreup the sag area, not lift up the joists. I'm sure that's what he meant. He is also referencing the use of plaster washers, which is a good idea for any loose areas.Jeff

          3. Scooter_ | Nov 29, 2000 05:39am | #7

            *Three things: (1) Tear down the plaster; (2) Shore up the ceiling with adequate sized joists; (3) Add 5/8" drywallto the ceiling.

          4. Pete_Draganic | Nov 29, 2000 05:53am | #8

            *Regardless of the mess that may occur, I strongly suggest tear-out and replacement of the ceiling. Trying to jack it up might cause more damage than good (cracked plaster, seperate plaster from ceiling alltogether etc...). Besides, replacing it will give you such a nicer end product.Pete Draganic

          5. George_Lentulo | Nov 29, 2000 08:36am | #9

            *Yep, that's what I'd do. New ceiling. Easiest, and the most predictable and best end result.

          6. Jim_Walters | Nov 29, 2000 01:27pm | #10

            *I'd tear the whole thing out and start over or else require a hard hat for anyone entering the room. I can just visualize you coming home from work and sitting down to read the paper when all of a sudden your wearing a fifty pound chunk of plaster where your head used to be.

  2. JB_@_Square_&_Level | Nov 29, 2000 01:27pm | #11

    *
    I've got a 1921 Bungalow with a saggy lath & plaster ceiling in the family room. It was covered over at some point with 1/2" mesh reinforced plaster board so it's in pretty good shape except over time the added weight of the add on has caused a strong 4" sag over the 16' span of the 2x4 ceiling joist (go figure). I installed an attic space over new ceiling joist and have yet to sister the old (2x4) with the new because I'm at a quandary as to what to do! I'd like to install crown molding at some point so leaving it as is not an option.

    Should I try and jack any of it up and then fur and sheet rock over it or what. oh and I've got 1st generation rock wool insulation above so a total tear out is not an attractive idea.

    Thanks for any advise!!

    Jared

Log in or create an account to post a comment.

Sign up Log in

Become a member and get full access to FineHomebuilding.com

Video Shorts

Categories

  • Business
  • Code Questions
  • Construction Techniques
  • Energy, Heating & Insulation
  • General Discussion
  • Help/Work Wanted
  • Photo Gallery
  • Reader Classified
  • Tools for Home Building

Discussion Forum

Recent Posts and Replies

  • |
  • |
  • |
  • |
  • |
  • |
View More Create Post

Up Next

Video Shorts

Featured Story

Rescuing Old Hardware

Whether it’s already in your house or picked up at a flea market, vintage hardware almost always needs help.

Featured Video

Video: Build a Fireplace, Brick by Brick

Watch mason Mike Mehaffey construct a traditional-style fireplace that burns well and meets current building codes.

Related Stories

  • Keeping It Cottage-Sized
  • Townhouse Transformation
  • Mortar for Old Masonry
  • Grout-Free Shower Panels

Highlights

Fine Homebuilding All Access
Fine Homebuilding Podcast
Tool Tech
Plus, get an extra 20% off with code GIFT20

"I have learned so much thanks to the searchable articles on the FHB website. I can confidently say that I expect to be a life-long subscriber." - M.K.

Get home building tips, offers, and expert advice in your inbox

Signing you up...

This site is protected by reCAPTCHA and the Google Privacy Policy and Terms of Service apply.
See all newsletters
See all newsletters

Fine Homebuilding Magazine

  • Issue 332 - July 2025
    • Custom Built-ins With Job-Site Tools
    • Fight House Fires Through Design
    • Making the Move to Multifamily
  • Issue 331 - June 2025
    • A More Resilient Roof
    • Tool Test: You Need a Drywall Sander
    • Ducted vs. Ductless Heat Pumps
  • Issue 330 - April/May 2025
    • Deck Details for Durability
    • FAQs on HPWHs
    • 10 Tips for a Long-Lasting Paint Job
  • Issue 329 - Feb/Mar 2025
    • Smart Foundation for a Small Addition
    • A Kominka Comes West
    • Making Small Kitchens Work
  • Issue 328 - Dec/Jan 2024
    • How a Pro Replaces Columns
    • Passive House 3.0
    • Tool Test: Compact Line Lasers

Fine Home Building

Newsletter Sign-up

  • Fine Homebuilding

    Home building tips, offers, and expert advice in your inbox.

  • Green Building Advisor

    Building science and energy efficiency advice, plus special offers, in your inbox.

  • Old House Journal

    Repair, renovation, and restoration tips, plus special offers, in your inbox.

Signing you up...

This site is protected by reCAPTCHA and the Google Privacy Policy and Terms of Service apply.
See all newsletters

Follow

  • Fine Homebuilding

    Dig into cutting-edge approaches and decades of proven solutions with total access to our experts and tradespeople.

    Start Free Trial Now
    • Facebook
    • Instagram
    • X
    • LinkedIn
  • GBA Prime

    Get instant access to the latest developments in green building, research, and reports from the field.

    Start Free Trial Now
    • Facebook
    • YouTube
  • Old House Journal

    Learn how to restore, repair, update, and decorate your home.

    Subscribe Now
    • Facebook
    • Instagram
    • X
  • Fine Homebuilding

    Dig into cutting-edge approaches and decades of proven solutions with total access to our experts and tradespeople.

    Start Free Trial Now
    • Facebook
    • Instagram
    • X
    • LinkedIn
  • GBA Prime

    Get instant access to the latest developments in green building, research, and reports from the field.

    Start Free Trial Now
    • Facebook
    • YouTube
  • Old House Journal

    Learn how to restore, repair, update, and decorate your home.

    Subscribe Now
    • Facebook
    • Instagram
    • X

Membership & Magazine

  • Online Archive
  • Start Free Trial
  • Magazine Subscription
  • Magazine Renewal
  • Gift a Subscription
  • Customer Support
  • Privacy Preferences
  • About
  • Contact
  • Advertise
  • Careers
  • Terms of Use
  • Site Map
  • Do not sell or share my information
  • Privacy Policy
  • Accessibility
  • California Privacy Rights

© 2025 Active Interest Media. All rights reserved.

Fine Homebuilding receives a commission for items purchased through links on this site, including Amazon Associates and other affiliate advertising programs.

  • Home Group
  • Antique Trader
  • Arts & Crafts Homes
  • Bank Note Reporter
  • Cabin Life
  • Cuisine at Home
  • Fine Gardening
  • Fine Woodworking
  • Green Building Advisor
  • Garden Gate
  • Horticulture
  • Keep Craft Alive
  • Log Home Living
  • Military Trader/Vehicles
  • Numismatic News
  • Numismaster
  • Old Cars Weekly
  • Old House Journal
  • Period Homes
  • Popular Woodworking
  • Script
  • ShopNotes
  • Sports Collectors Digest
  • Threads
  • Timber Home Living
  • Traditional Building
  • Woodsmith
  • World Coin News
  • Writer's Digest
Active Interest Media logo
X
X
This is a dialog window which overlays the main content of the page. The modal window is a 'site map' of the most critical areas of the site. Pressing the Escape (ESC) button will close the modal and bring you back to where you were on the page.

Main Menu

  • How-To
  • Design
  • Tools & Materials
  • Video
  • Blogs
  • Forum
  • Project Guides
  • Reader Projects
  • Magazine
  • Members
  • FHB House

Podcasts

  • FHB Podcast
  • ProTalk

Webinars

  • Upcoming and On-Demand

Podcasts

  • FHB Podcast
  • ProTalk

Webinars

  • Upcoming and On-Demand

Popular Topics

  • Kitchens
  • Business
  • Bedrooms
  • Roofs
  • Architecture and Design
  • Green Building
  • Decks
  • Framing
  • Safety
  • Remodeling
  • Bathrooms
  • Windows
  • Tilework
  • Ceilings
  • HVAC

Magazine

  • Current Issue
  • Past Issues
  • Magazine Index
  • Subscribe
  • Online Archive
  • Author Guidelines

All Access

  • Member Home
  • Start Free Trial
  • Gift Membership

Online Learning

  • Courses
  • Project Guides
  • Reader Projects
  • Podcast

More

  • FHB Ambassadors
  • FHB House
  • Customer Support

Account

  • Log In
  • Join

Newsletter

Get home building tips, offers, and expert advice in your inbox

Signing you up...

This site is protected by reCAPTCHA and the Google Privacy Policy and Terms of Service apply.
See all newsletters
See all newsletters

Follow

  • X
  • YouTube
  • instagram
  • facebook
  • pinterest
  • Tiktok

Join All Access

Become a member and get instant access to thousands of videos, how-tos, tool reviews, and design features.

Start Your Free Trial

Subscribe

FHB Magazine

Start your subscription today and save up to 70%

Subscribe

Enjoy unlimited access to Fine Homebuilding. Join Now

Already a member? Log in

We hope you’ve enjoyed your free articles. To keep reading, become a member today.

Get complete site access to expert advice, how-to videos, Code Check, and more, plus the print magazine.

Start your FREE trial

Already a member? Log in

Privacy Policy Update

We use cookies, pixels, script and other tracking technologies to analyze and improve our service, to improve and personalize content, and for advertising to you. We also share information about your use of our site with third-party social media, advertising and analytics partners. You can view our Privacy Policy here and our Terms of Use here.

Cookies

Analytics

These cookies help us track site metrics to improve our sites and provide a better user experience.

Advertising/Social Media

These cookies are used to serve advertisements aligned with your interests.

Essential

These cookies are required to provide basic functions like page navigation and access to secure areas of the website.

Delete My Data

Delete all cookies and associated data