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   Mike_Smith | Oct 12, 2000 10:58pm | #1

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   hisao.. can you buy red label in an R&R.?.. all our R&R come in boxes...

   the blue label / red label are bundles

   the main diff. between the two is the grain is straighter in the blue.. visually the exposed part of the shingle looks the same.. the 8 inch butt is supposed to be clear.. but there is also not so much vertical grain..

   so the reds are not as stable as the blues... they act more like a white cedar than the blues do....

   if i were using reds... i would be looking for a different look... more rustic... not as formal as R&R..
   .. i would lay them as they came out of the bundle, with almost NO fitting.. so i would wind up with more gaps side- to- side.. also.. the butts tend to be a little fuzzy.. but straight...

   .. i would lay blues the same way.. no fitting..

   and R&R's the same.. no fitting... that's why i'm paying extra for R&R's.. most are always playing with the shingles .. planing them and fitting.. but

   they're a shingle.. not meant to be fitted that tight.. and it causes more problems with too tight a fit....if you get a poor quality R&R.. then you got problems.. but nowadays .. the way they come from the mill is the way they should be installed..

   consistency is more important to me than fitting.. the fitting is unneccessary if you have a good R&R..

   b but hey, whadda i no ?

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   jim_"crazy_legs"_blodg | Oct 13, 2000 02:01am | #2

   *I'm sure there is a website for the Western Red Cedar Ass. that will have the exact specs, but there is a big difference in the appearance between the blue label and red label we get here in the Pacific Northwest. Like Mike said, blue labels are much straighter grained. The #2 reds are still clear, but the grain runs diagonally or we even get a lot of flat grain in reds. If your overhangs protect your siding, I guess the reds will stand up just about as well, but the biggest expense is the labor to install them anyway. I don't think the money (what is it, 15 bucks a square?) you save makes sense when you look at the total cost of labor and materials per square.

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   Stanley_Niemiec | Oct 13, 2000 04:49am | #3

   *Try this website --http://cedarbureau.org

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   Hisao_Yatsuhashi | Oct 13, 2000 05:58pm | #4

   *Thanks Jim and Mike for your responses. I was looking for exactly this type of info that could not be extracted from the specs that I read. BTW the cedarbureau.org site indicates that R&R is available in Red label too...

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   Hisao_Yatsuhashi | Oct 13, 2000 05:58pm | #5

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   I am specifying rebutted/rejointed cedar shingle siding on a house remodel. I'm looking for an opinion on using #1 Blue label vs. #2 Red label red cedar shingles. Anyone know if there's much quality sacrifice or dollar savings by going with the red label?