I couldn’t find that last thread that I was workin on so I just added a new one here. I’m supposed to be finishing up the truss table building…but I have a few combo walls to do.
The first pic shows the completed wall being sent to its place. The next ones will show how it’s done. The mono gable wall is attached to the sidewall. I framed the side wall first, then sheathed it, then framed the attached mono gable.
Quite often, they send out mono gables to attach to the wall…sometimes we use them, some times we dont. This time, I didn’t have a choice…they didn’t send any because that section is all handframed.
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I just found another pic of that wall. This shows the wall before I installed the hardie. I first install all the trim. This gives me a framework to fill with siding.
blue
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That last wall was the farthest wall from the crane. We had a tough time setting it because we couldn't reach all the way without going past the tipping range.
The next section is the bedroom in the back of the house. I've already finished the back wall and it's laying on the table. Heres a few pics of the sidewall in progress.
blueJust because you can, doesn't mean you should!
Warning! Be cautious when taking any framing advice from me. There are some in here who think I'm a hackmeister...they might be right! Of course, they might be wrong too!
These two pics show the method that I use to determine the length of the soffit, where it lays over a roof. By cutting everything exactly to the theoretical length and angle, it should fit properly. I've cut the siding to be exactly 1" above the roof deck. The frieze, soffit and fascia will automatically be 1" too.
blue
Just because you can, doesn't mean you should!
Warning! Be cautious when taking any framing advice from me. There are some in here who think I'm a hackmeister...they might be right! Of course, they might be wrong too!
I almost always run the subfascia's long, then accurately mark them and cut them to the proper length. It's just a lot faster to do it that way then to cut the parts first, then wrestle them into their exact spot.
I mark the 12/12 angle and cut this to length before I run the fascia.
blueJust because you can, doesn't mean you should!
Warning! Be cautious when taking any framing advice from me. There are some in here who think I'm a hackmeister...they might be right! Of course, they might be wrong too!
I use the same technique for the fascia.
blueJust because you can, doesn't mean you should!
Warning! Be cautious when taking any framing advice from me. There are some in here who think I'm a hackmeister...they might be right! Of course, they might be wrong too!
The side wall is done. I'll send it up, then immediately send up the back wall. I have to make room for the other side wall which is almost 28 feet long.
blueJust because you can, doesn't mean you should!
Warning! Be cautious when taking any framing advice from me. There are some in here who think I'm a hackmeister...they might be right! Of course, they might be wrong too!
Heres the next two walls being sent.
I've got the corner boards tacked onto the window of the back wall. Ben will nail them on when he's sheathing the roof.
blueJust because you can, doesn't mean you should!
Warning! Be cautious when taking any framing advice from me. There are some in here who think I'm a hackmeister...they might be right! Of course, they might be wrong too!
Here's Ben tieing the tops together. He aligns and nails all the pine first, then ties the top plates.
The first pic shows ben and steve receiving and setting the walls. They are shown receiving the back wall here.
blueJust because you can, doesn't mean you should!
Warning! Be cautious when taking any framing advice from me. There are some in here who think I'm a hackmeister...they might be right! Of course, they might be wrong too!
I framed the hipset on the table. I use two adjacent sides of the table to square up the hip set and I'm able to cut in the hip rafter and attach all the jacks too. I would have had a picture of this contraption sitting on the table, but the battery fizzled in thee cold (I left it exposed too long). Luckily, I had brought the charger and I'll be able to send in some more pics today.
The second picture shows us standing up the front wall. I'll give you a better shot in a second. But...you can see the hipset that I just sent in the background. We've dropped a small bunk of ply on top of the partitions.(that was actually a lot for the old boom) and ben will start sheathing that rear upper roof. We'll comfortably be able to sheath the back section by building ply racks at strategic locations. We normally use the Sky trak but we don't have any access back there.
blueJust because you can, doesn't mean you should!
Warning! Be cautious when taking any framing advice from me. There are some in here who think I'm a hackmeister...they might be right! Of course, they might be wrong too!
This pic shows the front wall. Some of the wall will be behind the garage roof. Ben has already installed the saddle on the garage roof and the Hardie siding has been carefully installed to land 1'' above the saddle.
blueJust because you can, doesn't mean you should!
Warning! Be cautious when taking any framing advice from me. There are some in here who think I'm a hackmeister...they might be right! Of course, they might be wrong too!
These two pics show ben and steve receiving the wall. The fit was snug and it needed a little, very little persuatsion. The 16# sledge did the trick, but I didn't get a final picture.
blueJust because you can, doesn't mean you should!
Warning! Be cautious when taking any framing advice from me. There are some in here who think I'm a hackmeister...they might be right! Of course, they might be wrong too!
The final pic of the day shows Ben's progress on the hip sheathing. He's finished the rear and some of the side and he's built a plywood rack to receive the remainder of the upper load of sheathing.
To be continued......
blueJust because you can, doesn't mean you should!
Warning! Be cautious when taking any framing advice from me. There are some in here who think I'm a hackmeister...they might be right! Of course, they might be wrong too!
Nice work Blue. I really do appreciate you posting those pics. Its good to see some framing pics, and it's cool to see new methods in evolution.
Here is a pic of a rake wall we built last week. We lifted it in with the forklift. I forget the LB rating on the strap. We ordered it through our lumberyard and it sure makes things easy. We used to use a chain, but the strap is much better.
http://pic9.picturetrail.com/VOL293/2163851/6440753/82833737.jpg
http://pic9.picturetrail.com/VOL293/2163851/6440753/82834099.jpg
http://pic9.picturetrail.com/VOL293/2163851/6440753/82834090.jpg
Tim, nice pics...that's a nice wall...it's much easier to frame and sheath it on the deck!
I've built many like that, but I do one thing different. I run the studs all the way to the top and save that 2x12 for the drywall backer! You really don't need that 2x10 there.....I don't put anything, but occasionally I'll put a 2x6 on the flat, just like a top plate.
blueJust because you can, doesn't mean you should!
Warning! Be cautious when taking any framing advice from me. There are some in here who think I'm a hackmeister...they might be right! Of course, they might be wrong too!
Blue,
Thanks for the comments. I use the rafters (2x10) in this case because often I've already cut them for that section of roof. It also saves a few steps in calculating anything else. If I calculate one rafter and then use those to determine the height of the ridge, I've saved a step and then I can lay it on the ground, trace it and then run my studs and I don't have to use my tape measure.
It's always evolving though. I'm sure we'll change it again the next time.
Stay warm
I like the way you post the pictures.
How do you do it?
This two ply girder will carry the rest of the trusses. It will have a two ply hipset hanging from it. You can see the larger hanger ready for it.
blueJust because you can, doesn't mean you should!
Warning! Be cautious when taking any framing advice from me. There are some in here who think I'm a hackmeister...they might be right! Of course, they might be wrong too!
Before I send it, I measure the overall height of the girder. I can use this number to cut the entire conventional rafter package and send it up in parts, or build the entire thing on the ground.
We'll send it up in parts.
blueJust because you can, doesn't mean you should!
Warning! Be cautious when taking any framing advice from me. There are some in here who think I'm a hackmeister...they might be right! Of course, they might be wrong too!
I snub the tip of the girder. This snubbing give it a flat 1.5" surface on the tip. This is any old technique that I use if I measure the length of the ridge "in place". I'll snap a picture on Monday to explain why I like that snub.
blueJust because you can, doesn't mean you should!
Warning! Be cautious when taking any framing advice from me. There are some in here who think I'm a hackmeister...they might be right! Of course, they might be wrong too!
We set all the "regular" trusses and that leaves us with the hipset. We use the table to build the hipset. It offers a convenient place to stand while we cut and install the hips and jacks.
blueJust because you can, doesn't mean you should!
Warning! Be cautious when taking any framing advice from me. There are some in here who think I'm a hackmeister...they might be right! Of course, they might be wrong too!
Before we can set the hipset, we have to put the final wall up. We set the hipset aside and prepare the finality.
blueJust because you can, doesn't mean you should!
Warning! Be cautious when taking any framing advice from me. There are some in here who think I'm a hackmeister...they might be right! Of course, they might be wrong too!
The tale's work is now done and we cut out the windows and paper and overhang our friend.
blueJust because you can, doesn't mean you should!
Warning! Be cautious when taking any framing advice from me. There are some in here who think I'm a hackmeister...they might be right! Of course, they might be wrong too!
We set the wall and Ben and Frank are tieing the pine together. Their corner fit perfect. My corner is 4" long...I added a wall's thickness when I shouldnt' have. I'll have to cut it back off a ladder...a ten minute fix.
The hipset is hoisted...I would have taken some shots of it getting set, but I was one of the setters!
blueJust because you can, doesn't mean you should!
Warning! Be cautious when taking any framing advice from me. There are some in here who think I'm a hackmeister...they might be right! Of course, they might be wrong too!
The hipset fit well and the master suite is now ready to cover. The front corner patch still needs to be completed. I was only able to get the frieze finished before the hipset was on it's way, so the rest of that repair will have to wait till monday.
That about sums up the truss boogerin' on the tables. I'll be posting some hip return pix from this house tomorrow but I'll post them in a differnt thread.
blueJust because you can, doesn't mean you should!
Warning! Be cautious when taking any framing advice from me. There are some in here who think I'm a hackmeister...they might be right! Of course, they might be wrong too!
One more thing....I'll be happy to post larger versions of any of these pics upon request. I also have a bunch more shots that I didn't show. If there's something in particular of interest, just give a shout.
blueJust because you can, doesn't mean you should!
Warning! Be cautious when taking any framing advice from me. There are some in here who think I'm a hackmeister...they might be right! Of course, they might be wrong too!
Jeeze, educational and entertaining, I'm about to gag<G> Don't worry, we can fix that later!
Yer funny BB.
Hey, did you ever get all the rodent feed out of that vintage PC? Did you get the retaining nut off?
blueJust because you can, doesn't mean you should!
Warning! Be cautious when taking any framing advice from me. There are some in here who think I'm a hackmeister...they might be right! Of course, they might be wrong too!
You got any girl helper pics????????
Actualy I have enjoyed the heck out of your building threads latley. You and Tim Uhler are keeping me very interesed.Who Dares Wins.
Thanks Gunner. I've always been a construction voyeur too. Even today, I can watch with interest, guys standing things up. I'm alway curious about their methods, motivations and often are impressed with their resolve, even if I don't agree with the technique in it's entirity.
blueJust because you can, doesn't mean you should!
Warning! Be cautious when taking any framing advice from me. There are some in here who think I'm a hackmeister...they might be right! Of course, they might be wrong too!
I upload the pics to http://www.picturetrail.com/ and then I can copy the url and post it here. It pretty simple.
Tim, whats the advantage to using picture trail?
blueJust because you can, doesn't mean you should!
Warning! Be cautious when taking any framing advice from me. There are some in here who think I'm a hackmeister...they might be right! Of course, they might be wrong too!
Blue,
The advantage to me is that the pics open in a new window and once I've uploaded them onto picturetrail, I can go get the url and post anywhere. The biggest advantage, is that some forums don't allows pics bigger than a certain size. I can get around that by posting a link.
Tim, is there a charge to use picturetrail?
blueJust because you can, doesn't mean you should!
Warning! Be cautious when taking any framing advice from me. There are some in here who think I'm a hackmeister...they might be right! Of course, they might be wrong too!
Blue,
I think I was using it for free, but then I went ahead and bought an account. I don't recall the upgraded features, but it's been worth it.
http://forums.taunton.com/n/mb/at.asp?webtag=tp-breaktime&guid=C04069A0-B450-4505-9B47-F7AB94CD7B87&frames=no
The way the strap for the crane
is shown on this picture
Doesn't it pull up on your overhang?
What the heck is all that white fluffy stuff, blue?
What the heck is all that white fluffy stuff, blue
Dandruff.
Just because you can, doesn't mean you should!
Warning! Be cautious when taking any framing advice from me. There are some in here who think I'm a hackmeister...they might be right! Of course, they might be wrong too!
Very astute observation butch!
That strap would indeed collapse the overhang but I took a calculated risk. I have collapsed a few in my days and I'm keenly aware of the risks. If you look closely, you will see three braces nailed on the top. The middle brace is placed next to the strap and it is a solidly nailed 2x4. It held. If the wall was much heavier, I would have hooked it differently.
blueJust because you can, doesn't mean you should!
Warning! Be cautious when taking any framing advice from me. There are some in here who think I'm a hackmeister...they might be right! Of course, they might be wrong too!
You see we are paying attention!!
and what gunner said
You tryin' to drum up some interest in yer work?
Its a shame all that nice framing has to eventually be covered up.
You do nice work- I just wish we lived closer.
Where are you in Mi? I've got a SIL in St. Johns, and a nephew in Lansing, as well as more out by GR and Holland.
Thanks Shep.
I'm sw of Flint...about 45min from Lansing. I have a cousin in GR. I can't remember where St John's is.
blueJust because you can, doesn't mean you should!
Warning! Be cautious when taking any framing advice from me. There are some in here who think I'm a hackmeister...they might be right! Of course, they might be wrong too!
Blue,I can't remember what thread it was in but I told you I was going to count how many nails there were in each coil for my Hitachi Coil nailer for you.8 penny 250 nails per coil with 12 coils @ 3000 per box10 penny 208 nails per coil with 12 coils @ 2500 per box.Sorry it took so long maybe because my brain is frozen.........;-)Joe Carola
Thanks Joe. I was just trying to figure out if the coils were that much more efficient.
The stick nails I use are clipped head, .131, 12d and they contain 37 nails per stick. I can load two sticks in the magazine. Since I don't like to carry much weight in my tool belt, I normally put two reload sticks in my special nail pouch. That means that I'm armed with (4x37) 148 nails. Most of the guys carry 4-6 clips and I used to do that too, and will carry that many if I'm clamoring up onto the trusses or something.
I figure it takes me about ten seconds to load two clips. I'll time it on Monday but ten seconds seems like a good average amount.
I'm not convinced that its significantly faster to use the coils. It sounds like it's a wash, but I could see where coil guys would "feel" like it's faster.
blueJust because you can, doesn't mean you should!
Warning! Be cautious when taking any framing advice from me. There are some in here who think I'm a hackmeister...they might be right! Of course, they might be wrong too!
Well, I've come to the end of the truss/table boogerin for this house.
This pic shows the largest gable that will mate with it's smaller twin gable that spans over the foyer/entrance.
Notice that we've installed a temp roof to fit the overhangs to.
blueJust because you can, doesn't mean you should!
Warning! Be cautious when taking any framing advice from me. There are some in here who think I'm a hackmeister...they might be right! Of course, they might be wrong too!
This is the smaller of the two gables and sits in front of the larger one.
blueJust because you can, doesn't mean you should!
Warning! Be cautious when taking any framing advice from me. There are some in here who think I'm a hackmeister...they might be right! Of course, they might be wrong too!
Frank is removing the temp roof and this pair of gables is ready to send. We thought about stacking them as one unit and finishing all the pine and small section of roof sheating (there is about a 12'' offset), but decided not to because we will send someone up on the lift to do some crown and paper repair work anyways.
blueJust because you can, doesn't mean you should!
Warning! Be cautious when taking any framing advice from me. There are some in here who think I'm a hackmeister...they might be right! Of course, they might be wrong too!
Ben is up there receiving that small gable.
blueJust because you can, doesn't mean you should!
Warning! Be cautious when taking any framing advice from me. There are some in here who think I'm a hackmeister...they might be right! Of course, they might be wrong too!
Heres a frontal shot of the twin gables in their finished spot. I've got some pics of the hip return boxes getting assembled..I'll post that tomorrow morning...I'm hurrying right now to watch the Pistons tonite.
blueJust because you can, doesn't mean you should!
Warning! Be cautious when taking any framing advice from me. There are some in here who think I'm a hackmeister...they might be right! Of course, they might be wrong too!
We're all down hill now. We have to get a girder set to carry the master suite trusses.
blueJust because you can, doesn't mean you should!
Warning! Be cautious when taking any framing advice from me. There are some in here who think I'm a hackmeister...they might be right! Of course, they might be wrong too!
wow that looks cold! thanks for the pics blue.______________________________________________
--> measure once / scribble several lines / spend some time figuring out wich scribble / cut the wrong line / get mad
Skye, it's my pleasure!
Yu must be living in a warm climate...I'm jealous.
Actually, it started out about 27 degrees today, with a little wind. It got steadily colder...down to about 20 and always a slight breeze. I'm not complaining....it could be a lot, lot worse. Besides, I keep a nice warm fire nearby and I'm not afraid to keep it company. Because of the wind, I did keep my overcoat on, which is a short windbreaker that is used for duckhunting. It rides above my tool belt and it's perfect when it's windy or snowy or rainy.
blue
Just because you can, doesn't mean you should!
Warning! Be cautious when taking any framing advice from me. There are some in here who think I'm a hackmeister...they might be right! Of course, they might be wrong too!
goood lord, blue, where the HECK to do live that you've got snow on the ground in May?!
;)
jt8
The two most abundant things in the universe are hydrogen and stupidity. -- Harlan Ellison
John,
those pics were taken today..... just Blue is a better framer than camera operator...... as he has said before he still hasn't figured out how to put the correct date into his camera. This is a really cool thread. I always enjoy his pics.
He is in the Detroit area of MI
Your right Prof! I did reset the camera today...I just don't have time to post any pics.
blueJust because you can, doesn't mean you should!
Warning! Be cautious when taking any framing advice from me. There are some in here who think I'm a hackmeister...they might be right! Of course, they might be wrong too!
Lol John. We almost ALWAYS get a snow storm in may around here. In fact, it's usually a fairly hefty dumping.
blueJust because you can, doesn't mean you should!
Warning! Be cautious when taking any framing advice from me. There are some in here who think I'm a hackmeister...they might be right! Of course, they might be wrong too!