Maybe this is not new to some of you, but that new better then ever pressure treat is a problem
my supplier is now bringing back in the old stuff, and the new borate stuff
he says he can only supply the old stuff if it is intended for below ground
HELLO ,,,,BELOW GROUND IS LEGAL ???????
I thought the whole reason to get rid of the old good stuff was to keep it out of the ground and water, now I can get it if I tell the supplier thats the only place Im using it
and guess what, I gambled, did all my mud sills with it, and the building inspector did not even blink
wow I can get away from all that fancy junk and worries needed for the “new and improved”
I will admit, I have seen lumber yards where nothing would grow within many feet of wher they used to keep the old stuff
but that is a lumber yard, adn if that was the problem the legislation should have been more about containment and shipping in large quanities , not mud sills or deck framing
and if people were reacting to decks and splintes, then gee dont use it in area where people wer going barefoot or use it as a fire pole at a playground………..duhhhhh
just my 2 hard earned cents worth
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How can your suplier 'bring back' the old stuff. Manufacturers stoped making it.
No, they are just carefull about marketing it to just anyone for any reason
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"I thought the whole reason to get rid of the old good stuff was to keep it out of the ground and water, now I can get it if I tell the supplier thats the only place Im using it"
No, it was "concern" that Jr would chew on the deck and get arsnic poisioning.
It can still be produced for certain purposes.
Agricultural is one. Maybe marine pilings, wood foundations?
On the Tony Snow show, he was discusing how NASA quit using freon in the production of the foam that covers the large fuel tank . Something like pre freon days there were 80 tiles damaged. Now there is something like 350 damaged. The EPA even exempted NASA under the Bush admin so they could use freon.........but wouldn't because they didn't want to be viewed as being damaging the enviroment.
personally I'll take the old stuff
P.S. I'm so politically inncorrect I drove to Canada do buy a large fluch toilet while visiting my parents in Detroit
"I have seen lumber yards where nothing would grow within many feet of wher they used to keep the old stuff
but that is a lumber yard, adn if that was the problem the legislation should have been more about containment and shipping in large quanities , not mud sills or deck framing"
The solution to pollution is dilution. ;)
It drives me crazy when things that have been used for years & years are suddenly bad for the environment. I know that at times there are legitimate concerns, but 9 times out of 10, the amounts of "pollutants" are miniscule at most, so we end up having to use products that cost twice as much & work half as well.
Freon-12 => banned, CCA lumber => banned, everything useful => banned.
I vaguely remember hearing about some DIY guy who built a deck one summer, got sick as a dog in the fall (can't remember if he died), and docs diagnosed arsenic poisoning. Until saner heads (and better docs) prevailed, thought the wife poisoned him -- and I am pretty sure she was actually charged with "the crime."
This incident started the bandwagon rolling --
Or was this all made up?
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Did he eat a few boards while he was building? How many years have people been buiding with this? I would have expected to see contractors getting arsenic poisoning all over the place if CCA were a problem. Plus how many kids run around barefoot on the decks? There are plenty of existing decks which STILL have CCA in them.
BTW, there is a new treatment process that is;"TimberSIL is: non-toxic, non-corrosive, fire retardant, arsenic free, free of heavy metals, protects against rot & decay, protects against termites*, creates a protective barrier against mold & mildew, stainable & paintable, available in natural wood colors, and loaded with protection locked into the wood."http://www.timbersil.com/Unfortunately there is on a prcoessor in MN and one in SC at this time so the availabity is limited.