Lately I’ve been encountering lots of clients looking to ‘re-face’ their cabinetry, i.e., replacing all the doors, drawer fronts, etc. Here in the PNW, many of the houses built in the 70’s & 80’s have semi-concealed hinges with a “T” cut-out in the face frame. Consequently, to replace the hinges with euro-type concealed hinges, you need to fill and sand the cut-out, which is pretty time-consuming. Anybody know of a company that supplies filler blocks for the cut-outs or have another suggestion?
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Well, were it a home application, it would be a cool reason to Buy A New Tool <g>.
Since this sounds like 'work' instead (apologies for useing such and awful four-letter word like that), might be worth getting a knife cut to mould stock to suit the shape (I want to remember that there's a bit of a taper to the "T" making it a too-many-extra-steps table saw set up).
Would be kind of a slick thing to be able to run scraps through. hmm, scraps--might be better to have a cutter for the router table rather than for the moulder. But, would be cool to have a gallon pail of the scraps in varying lengths, though. Find the closest color match, gles & drive in, then cut flush.
yeah, exactly - a bucketfull of various thicknesses,etc., would be great. Seems like a great opportunity for someone to start making these these in their garage ( much like apple or hp). That person is not me, however, since this cabinet work is not my line of business - I'm a GC who just happens to encounter a lot of kitchen work lately and thinks that someone else with extra garage space should be making these things. Aren't they all standard cut-outs................?
that someone else with extra garage space should be making these things.
Might be harder to find that, than the cut outs <g> . . .
Aren't they all standard cut-outs
That's what I want to remember--but I never used any, either in remo, or while in the cabinet biz.
Might be worth dropping by the local small cabinet shops with some coffee & donuts, or an offer of lunch, to see if they've though of such a thing. For one, they have the scrap material, for another, they have the hinge specs. Might be you could make a deal with one or another, too. $20 & a lunch or two for a couple of buckets' full might not be a bad deal.Occupational hazard of my occupation not being around (sorry Bubba)
Why not build the new doors using that same hinge? You could re-use the customer's hinges, or buy new ones. They're called "demountable" hinges, and Amerock still distributes them.
Another thought is to cut off the old hinges and leave the stubs there to fill the holes. With a little colored varnish to hide the cuts it might not look too bad.You can take the hinges from one job, take them back to your shop and cut them off, then use them on the next.
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Everyone seems to want euro-style concealed hinges (Grass, Blum, etc.). I can hide the edge-cut in the face-frame with the new hinge mounting plate, but the still leaves a good-sized 'T' shaped cut-out on the face.
It's also getting pretty hard to find hinges of this type- I guess maybe you can buy them online, but none of the hardware stores around here stock them anymore, and most of the cabinet shops don't still have the cutters to mount them.
By the way, I went to the Amerock website, and tho they do have de-mountable hinges, they use a different base. It fastens to the edge of the face frame rather than using a cut-out (or that's how it appears in the illustrations.)
Wood Workers Warehouse has them in single and double demoutable along with the router bits.http://wwhardware.com/catalog.cfm/GroupID/Cabinet%20Hinges/CatID/Cabinet%20Hinges%2C%20Amerock%20Demountable/showprod/1
http://wwhardware.com/catalog.cfm/ProductID/AWM5AJ
http://wwhardware.com/catalog.cfm/ProductID/AWM5RBTW, a there was a new Knob and Pulls store open in a stip center for retail and I was surprised that they stocked them.
By golly, there they are.
But really, my original query was regarding any plugs or patch kits that might be available to fill the holes left by these hinges. Know of anything, other than Bondo and spackle?
Redfly , My guess is there is also a slot in the edge of the doors as well as the face frame . As has been stated they are called either single or double demountable hinges .
Many of the edge details used back then will not accommodate a Euro cup bore .
Why not replace the doors to really make a difference , perhaps move the mounting bracket location to miss the old slot .
IMO making fillers for the slots may look a bit better but will have little integrity for screwing the new hinge brackets on .
good luck dusty
Dusty,
Basically, what I'm talking about is replacing all the doors, drawer fronts, hinges and slides and just leaving the face frames and case. That way, the kitchen really looks (and functions) new, but usually saves a few thousand $$. We usually replace the drawer slides also, since most of the kitchens from this era have 3/4 extensions, which really turn out to be about 5/8 extension, leaving 3/8 of the drawer unusable since everything I'm looking for is always in that last section.