I’m going to do the cedar shake siding on(of all people)my lawyers. The building is about 50feet from an existing structure that is a sub-basement with the same shakes and a log cabin on top.(which hopefully I’ll build next summer). Finding the shingles is a new thread altogether, but, My questions are these:
The old building is what I believe to be called a Striated(sp?) pattern.The exposures are shorter or longer shake to shake, making a wave like pattern. What in your opinion is the best way to do that? I was thinking about using 1×4 furring 24oc(the length of the shingle) as a guide of sorts to keep the courses on line at the corners
What about the corners? I have been thinking about the woven, but is it “better” to just butt theshingles to trim instead?
I have bunches of articles and a few books that go into details..But I’d rather hear from some,well you know “old school sicky”
anything helps
thanks
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Something like the shingles on the bottom of this page?
http://www.cedar-valley.com/
You can tack on a ledger board to establish the bottom of the course. Every other shingle can be held above. For a more random look, you just lift them off the guide by eye and mix it up. It doesn't take much for that look, differences between 3/8" - 3/4" will give a nice visual effect. You can also do it by snapping a chalk line for the upper shingles. Nail some on the line and let others fall below as you see fit. This keeps the chalk line from showing, don't use red! By not staying exactly on the line, like you would with a ledger, you get a pattern that isn't particularly straight.
I don't think one corner method is better than another as long as they are done properly. Often the corner or shingles next to doors, windows, etc. are set at the course line. If you weave the corners, you should place a finish nail at the intersection of the butts, to keep that joint tight, over time. Some keep the corners even, others will step it or stay even randomly. Weaving is more time consuming than using corner boards. Since shingles move, caulking at corner boards needs occasional maintenance. Good idea to have some Vycor or similar fabric flashing at that junction. It's not a bad idea to use it wrapped on corners when weaving.
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Yeah, what you're saying makes me feel good. It's kinda what I was thinking, but the exposure on the existing structure varies more like 4 3/8(biggest I measured) to 1 and a half or so is what I eye balled. (I guess I could have run A couple of string lines over the wall to be sure but, it's a pretty big exposure difference)After thinking about it I think I will go with the trimmed corners, just (as you said)seems quicker. But I will go with a rough cut.Should I lay Tyvev Below the 1x4. The sheathing is allweather?All I ever wanted in life was an unfair advantage...
you can use tyvek if you want.. we use felt
and on the corners we use grace....... or double felt or 30 lb feltis this a painted shingle or natural ?if painted , go with factor finish.. a striated shingle is special order... add a minimum of 10% to your coverageMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
I guess your reference to a 1x4 has me a little confused. We often tack a 1x3 or similar on the wall to serve as a temporary ledger to set the shingles on. 1x4 is fine but a bit harder to straighten. It's moved up with each row as they are installed. Just a few thin shank box nails are used to hold it. The holes close up afterwards. You can also hang the ledger if the nail holes want to be avoided. I use about 1 1/2" wide x 4" long off the top of a shingle. The thick end nails solidly to the ledger board and you place a holding nail right in the top edge, of the thin part of that small shingle piece. You just tap on the ledger and it comes free. Maybe we are talking the same thing.These days, many folks are using a special building wrap under cedar shingles, especially red cedar. There seems to be enough evidence that Tyvek deteriorates from the tannins in cedar. There are several choices, cedar breather is one and there are others that creates a rain shed plane. Many still use 15# felt or rosin paper. Since you get triple coverage with cedar shingles, it may be a moot point on sidewalls. These products are supposed to allow air circulation so shingles don't cup as much when the exposed face dries faster than the underneath. Tyvek, Typar and others allow water to travel down them. Flashing details are very important. If water penetrates the siding, it can run behind flashing that is installed on top of the building wrap. Flashings need to be under the wrap. I've never used an all weather sheathing and don't know what it is.http://www.woodroof.com/cat12_1.htm
http://www.benjaminobdyke.com/visitor/subcategory/subc/rainscreenProductsThere are all kinds of single patterns. On some of the stepped up varieties, installers may use some blocks to sit on the ledger for establishing the amount of variation. In your case, you will have to match the existing job as best you can. One of the more important parts of shingling is to keep vertical joints offset from the preceding one by 1 1/2". I wrap the corners with the building wrap. Since there is a continuous vertical joint where it meets windows and corner boards, I also place Vycore at these areas for extra insurance.
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a four inch variance sounds like a hack job to me. Not sure I'd want to replicate that. Now it's sounding more like shakes - which is it? you used both words interchangeably.Did I mention you can't weave shakes?
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I think you are talking about cedar shingles, cause you can't weave shakes and shakes always vary at butts while shingles are straight and need conscious effort to make them vary.
I snap a chalk line and drop every other butt an inch below the line. If you are using a ledger guide, then raise every other one above it.
Weaving takes longer. Which way to do the corners depends on the style of the house and what looks best. sounds like it should be the owner's or designer's call on that.
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