I am doing my kitchen. We are installing 1×4 pine planking in the ceiling over the existing sheetrock. I noticed today that it accentuates the ‘sag’ in the rock, because of the lines. (a 2×4 shoring straightens it right up.) The trusses have a 24 inch spread. Rock is 1/2 inch. The house is 26 years old. I have most of the planking installed already. If I thought it would be noticeable I might have re-rocked the ceiling with new, or beefed it up first. Anyone encounter this before? Any ideas on how I can rectify the sight problem, short of tearing out and starting over? I have access in the attic, but it is difficult and about only 24 inches of headroom. thx.
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you have trusses for sure....
the combined weight of the exsisting rock and now the planks is too much for the ceiling joists....
is the old rock secured to the joist really well...
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The sag was there in the rock already before the plank and I am sure it is not adding any weight...yes the rock is up tight to the trusses. the sag is between the trusses and has sagged just with time, probably about 1/2 inch or less.THe trusses are in good shape, too.
so you do have trusses... andthe DW is saging between joists...
pull the old rock...
if the joists are 24" OC they are too far apart for 1/2" DW... should be 5/8"...
and yes you are adding weight to the ceiling...
what is the demensions of the planks you are installing...
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Planking size is 5/16 x 1 x 4 pine. Last resort would be to tear out $180 of planking matl, remove the rock, reinstall insulation, etc. I have already installed three fourths of the ceiling with the planking and now notice the curve in the lines--the sag. It is a relatively minor problem. (an visual notice only) So maybe someone has found a remedy for this that bypasses the tear-out and start over option.
somebody else here may know of a remedy...
can you put the planking back up??? if it's a visual thing it will be a call on your part to fix or leave as is...
i would tear out and and fix it right..
sorry to say short cuts usually turn out to be the long way around...
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Before I worried about fixing the drywall, I'd wanna know what's up with the trusses.
Nothing is so firmly believed as that of which we know least.
boss, it sounds like the trusses are fine. I styarted out thinking the same as you - there is no way that trusses should have a sag that noticeable, but it is the SR in between the trusses that he is seeing sag. This is why SR has to be 5/8" instead of 1/2" when spanning 24" on a cieling..it is not real planking he is finishing with but that cheaper 5/16" paneling. If it were full 1x4, it would likely be able to hold the SR up.The only solution I can think of for him is to put 2x6 or 2x8 ( depends on span) at 12" between the trusses and rfasten through the SR up into them but that would take screws or headed nails.I think he is stuck with this or needs to get ready to take it all down and start over
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thanks. SR in this area used 1/2 inch for ceilings. So I have to live that. But your idea of putting some 2x and screwing into it has possibilities. Maybe even using adhesive with bracing until it dries?I wont stew over it too much unless my wife thinks it is too much of a visual thing.
sand out the sag
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sand out the sag
1/2" sag
5/16" pine
Do the math.View Image
"I am sure it is not adding any weight"
You're putting up some of that magic weightless pine, then, I've heard about it, let me know how it works out. It must be a lot easier to handle, too. I'm waiting for them to invent weightless drywall; it'll make ceilings a LOT easier to rock.
You need special glasses to see that weightless material.I have an extra pair from when they were in the beta testin. Send me a thousand bucks for them and I'll throw in the cleaner and shipping for free
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Run some faux beams to split the lines up. Will only hide the sag, but won't weight much either.
i'd tear the planking down,then come in with 1x3 furring shimmed in the low spots to get straight,then finish out from there.larry
hand me the chainsaw, i need to trim the casing just a hair.
You might try changing the way lights illuminate the room & ceiling, You may find a combination where the sags in the panelling aren't noticable.
Not a fix for the sags but the old rock ceiling wasn't falling down.
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How are you installing this ceiling that you can't take it down and still salvage the wood? Take it down and do it right other wise it'll bug the crap out of you from now until you sell the house. You're looking for a magic wand and I don't think you're going to find it. Skip the bandaids and go for the surgery.
Climbing up in an attic with 24" of clearance and adding ceiling framing sounds like a he11 of a good time to me. What's your time worth to you anyway? And add in another trip to the lumber yard to get 2x4's for bracing, additional joist stock, adhesive, etc. That $180 worth of 5/16" pine isn't looking so costly now to me. How about you?