Anyone here have any experience with the Cleanspace System for crawlspaces?
I talked with a local installer today and I was kinda sticker shocked by the price.
I am not sure if it is because of the material cost. Anyone know the cost of the Cleanspace material versus something like Tu Tuff?
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Never heard of it - what is it? This may give you a bump to visibility by somebody who knows even more than I do ;>p
It's a membrane product that is used to vapor seal a crawlspace.
http://www.dirtcrawlspace.com/
Edited 9/24/2005 11:28 pm ET by PatchogPhil
Looks like a good example of a web site where they definitely want to sell you something, but don't tell what it actually is that they want to sell ya...
The pic looks like the plastic is Tu-Tuff. There has got to be more to it than that though...
I have not seen Tu Tuff in person, just pictures. But I did touch this Clean Space membrane. It is like they say, similiar to a swimming pool liner. Thick, I think they said 22 mil thick.
I was quoted $3.75 a sq ft installed. Kinda pricey for me - $7500 for a 2000 sq ft ranch crawlspace. I do not plan on using the crawl fo rstorage and I hope I do not need to go in there much if at all!
The Tutuff material comes in white and black and the white I have looked like the web site pic, but it is maybe only 4 or 6 mil. A little stiffer than regular 6 mil poly and lind of 'crunchy'.
RE >> $3.75 a sq ft installed << I can have concrete with a poly vapor barrier installed for significantly less than that (while the house is being built). You can probably do it with the tu-tuff for $200 or $300 and glue it to the walls and the at seams with $50 worth of PL400 (I thing that's the polyurethane one) and have a nice day. If you really wanted to seal the walls you could maybe use dry-loc water based first - never tried that but it seems like a good idea.
My insulator charges about $220 for a crawl that size for regular 6 mil black poly. What's that - $.11 a sq ft! That's installed and is part of a total house insulate package but it is not going to be a great job like someone might DIY or like a contractor getting paid big $ should do.
Sounds like so much of the new technilogy that comes out - a great idea but budget wise, way off the chart.
Attached is a pic of the Tu-tuff in my 5 YO crawl space. It is a walk in crawl, so does see some traffic from me storing stuff and from the termite guy. There is a glued lap seam between the pier and pilaster, and you can see where it is stuck to the walls. I don't think it has any rips or holes in it. I'd install it in the houses I build if someone asked for and wanted to pay for an extra good vapor barrier. As it is I rarely can even sell someone a little extra insulation.
I do need a vapor barrier down there. I will have to find some other company that will install something like Tu Tuff, maybe even a 6 or 8 mil plastic sheet. Ten years ago I would do it myself. Now I have 2 bad disks in my back and one in my neck. I do a lot of my own home improvements, but crawling under the house isn't one of them anymore.
I guess in NC people do not think they need insulation in their crawl spaces?
I asked these Clean Space people what they use for insulating the foundation walls. They claimed I will not need to do so. I think I do here on Long Island.
We normally put the crawl space insulation under the floor above - on the ceilig of the crawl space. I know all about sealed cralw spaces with insulated walls, but I figure I'll let someone else (local) go first... :-)
> I was quoted $3.75 a sq ft installed.
At that price, why not 6 mil with 3" - 4" of concrete on top?
-- J.S.
I'm not any where near LI to know, but couldn'r a person get 1" maybe 2" of closed cell foam shot on for close to $4/sf?Occupational hazard of my occupation not being around (sorry Bubba)
This is an existing crawlspace. I do not know what kind of price is the going rate for adding concrete to an existing crawl. Anyway, I do not need the concrete. No plans to use it for storage. I just want to block the mositure coming up from the dirt/sand floor.
The sprayed on foam for the foundation walls and up against the band joist between the joists would do nicely. I have not priced that out yet.