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CODE guidelines for 1/4″ poly supply????

scottthebuilder | Posted in General Discussion on August 6, 2006 05:33am

First, I am a building contractor and not a licensed plumber. This may seem like a dumb question to a licensed plumber.

Is there a code requirement or manufacturer recommendation for the use of plastic ferrules and sleeve inserts for 1/4″ poly tubing used to connect an icemaker or other appliance to a stop valve? I had an appliance installer use a copper ferrule and no sleeve to connect a Sub-Zero Ref/Freezer to the stop valve. I was lucky enough to remove the grill the following day and discover a leak before it caused any damage to the freshly finished wood floors. It made me wonder if there was a “set in stone” code or manufacturer guideline that requires the use of plastic ferrules and sleeves over the the brass type used on copper tubing. I just want to arm myself with information so I can present it to my appliance dealer. I feel lucky to have caught a leak that could have potentially done 10’s of thousands of dollars of damage and delayed the HO’s from moving back into their new kitchen ($100K total gut job) after a 90 day job. It scares me to think that a $0.10 plastic ferrule and a more careful installer could have alleviated the potential for a disaster. I want to call the appliance dealer and forward this info to stop someone else’s disaster.

Thanks,

Scott

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  1. Mooney | Aug 06, 2006 05:58pm | #1

    The codes do not cover past the cut off or for that matter any appliance . According to arguements the hot water heater is not code covered .

    However the building codes address it . Many times for a BI to make a ruling it has to be manufactor specs . However your proplem is not covered in the codes it can be adressed by man specs. Still its unlisensed area thats sitting in a grey area. Its hard to do any thing about it except tell someone to correct it .

    Tim

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    MarkH | Aug 06, 2006 06:06pm | #2

    I'd not use that poly tubing at all.  It tends to split after a while.

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    BillHartmann | Aug 06, 2006 06:13pm | #3

    I am surprised.

    When I bought a new refigerator last year and asked about deliver a dozen different places said that they deliver (some for a fee) and will hook up the ice make ONLY IF IT HAS A COPPER TUBING SUPPLY.

    That they would not touch anything with poly.

    One said that if I had a wrench handy and could tighten it up in a couple of minutes then they would wait and push the refigerator back afterwards.

    That is how "scared" they are of being liable for a water leak from poly.

  4. plumbbill | Aug 07, 2006 12:37am | #4

    I took over a 42 story hotel/condo--- 185 units.

    The superintendent before me had the guys installing 1/4" poly on all the icemakers.

    I didn't find out untill I got called into a unit that had some water damage.

    Water & laminated floors do not mix well.

    I put an immediate stop to this & ordered 200 no-burst¯ ss braided connectors.

    The general did not want to pull out any of the fridges for us to change the lines.

    I told them we will not take any responsibilty for any water damage from a faulty line, only if it was not put in correctly would we eat the cost of any water damage.

    After 7 leaks found & 7 new kitchen floors , they decided to remove all the fridges so we could change the lines.

    I do like copper, but at the current prices of copper it's pretty expensive & does require more labor verses using a ss braided line.

    & to answer your question---- the codes does not say about what type of ferrul----- It does say that you must meet maunfacturers guidlines.

    "can you cross your legs were short a nail" Pontius Pilate

    1. JonE | Aug 07, 2006 02:04am | #5

      Where do you get one of those no-burst lines for a fridge?  I've seen them for everything else but not small diameter and long enough for a refrigerator.... 

      1. plumbbill | Aug 07, 2006 03:57am | #6

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        http://www.fluidmaster.com/ice_maker.html"can you cross your legs were short a nail" Pontius Pilate

        1. JonE | Aug 07, 2006 02:27pm | #8

          Thanks, Bill. 

  5. DanH | Aug 07, 2006 04:52am | #7

    The different types of plastic and different fittings have different requirements, but unless the tubing is something special or the fitting contains an integral sleeve, there should be a sleeve inside the tubing.

    And I can't believe that anyone would drop the bucks for a SubZero freezer and then install it with plastic tubing. Just plain stupid.

    If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy. --James Madison

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