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Contractor unclear on the basics…

| Posted in General Discussion on September 27, 2002 05:27am

Helped a friend yesterday by installing some pre-hung doors in a finished-out garage.  Doors & frames were mdf , my first time for mdf frames, and that’s a nother story…pure krap.  Anyway, when I walked in I noticed they had used white vinyl cove base, but it didn’t look quite right.  I’m used to seeing the heavy commercial stuff like Roppe…this looked thin and wavy.  Then I noticed that it had been nailed to the wall about every 6 inches.  Looked like they used pre-painted paneling nails.  As the day wore on we got to know each other (four people working) and chit-chat picked up.  Someone mentioned that the cove, which had been installed by another contractor not on the job that day, was the self-stick type.  Jim asked me to replace a piece that had been knocked loose, and I discovered that the bozo had not pulled the liner off the adhesive strip!!!  No wonder he used nails.  I pulled the liner, and the stuff stuck real well.  Didn’t look too bad either.  Still looked cheap, but better.

 

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  1. user-178115 | Sep 27, 2002 05:41am | #1

    Wait a second, does this mean I was supposed to remove the plastic film from the bottom of the ice & water shield?  Figures I find out now.  Was a pain trying to keep it from sliding off a 10 in 12 roof until I could nail the shingles on...

    Regards,

    Rework

  2. ReinTaul | Sep 27, 2002 05:44am | #2

    And I thought that customer who told me he forgot to lick the stamp when he mailed my check was being a jerk...

  3. Piffin | Sep 27, 2002 05:50am | #3

    I've been having trouble for years getting band-aids to stick to my skin. I never thought of stapling them on.

    Excellence is its own reward!
    1. user-178115 | Sep 27, 2002 06:04am | #4

      Ah Piffin, my overlord, I finally get to correct you.  You're supposed to glue on bandaids not staple them. Think about it, if you staple them then you got to cover the first with another, restaple, cover again, etc...... Have found that rubber cement works best (elmers won't stick to that shiny white sterile coating they put on the underside.)

      Regards,

      Rework

      1. Piffin | Sep 27, 2002 06:30am | #5

        OK wise guy!

        YOU get up on this pedestal for a few days and let them take pot shots at you!

        [smiling all the way down the ladder]Excellence is its own reward!

      2. RW | Sep 27, 2002 03:50pm | #11

        How do you get the adhesive out of the wound at the end of the day, turpentine?

        :-{

    2. UncleDunc | Sep 27, 2002 07:45am | #6

      White cloth trainer's tape, the stuff boxers, gymnasts, etc. use. Sticks to your skin, sticks to itself, doesn't sweat off. The plastic stuff in most first aid kits is no substitute. Get the real thing. Also sticks to hair. If you're a masochist, take it off slow.

      1. r_ignacki | Sep 27, 2002 11:39am | #7

        best sticking stuff for band-aids is the inner-tube repair kits. First, use the scuff tool and rough  up the surface,(your skin), second, puor on the adhesive, best results it you ignite it, when the flames die out , put on the patch. Also works for tires, boots...# # # #   # # # ,  # # #--# # # # !

        1. UncleDunc | Sep 27, 2002 12:25pm | #8

          Have you posted this on alt.sex.bondage yet?

          1. MisterT | Sep 27, 2002 01:48pm | #10

            Thats where he found it!!!

            TDo not try this at home!

            I am a trained professional!

          2. Piffin | Sep 27, 2002 04:20pm | #12

            Why? do you think he neds to patch his... Oh never mind!Excellence is its own reward!

    3. MisterT | Sep 27, 2002 01:47pm | #9

      If your going to staple your band-aids on make sure you use a hammer- tacker not a regular stapler.

      Better yet, let me staple them on!

      :)

      Mr TDo not try this at home!

      I am a trained professional!

      1. FrankB89 | Sep 27, 2002 04:39pm | #13

        If you use an air stapler with 16 gauge, 7/16 " crown with 1 1/2" length, you can clinch them over on the back side of your finger (If you have petite fingers, you can use shorter staples or clip off the excess with a pair of dikes).  The bandaids will stay on until the wound is healed. 

        1. jet | Sep 27, 2002 07:45pm | #14

          If you nail on the band-aid and the nail is too long, just bend it over. Keeps the band-aid on better too.

          1. Piffin | Sep 27, 2002 07:55pm | #15

            Great Stuff!

            I mean the spray in can of foam insulation.

            Spread some of that all over the wound and the expansion will stop the bleeding and it will stick in place until the cows come home.Excellence is its own reward!

          2. jet | Sep 27, 2002 07:59pm | #16

            Laughing so hard I fell over and had to get a band-aid.  Couldn't find any but guess what?  Have a can of that goo.  Now my darn keyboard is stuck to my hand too.

          3. whancock64 | Sep 27, 2002 08:55pm | #17

            Had a barber, well it was a lady friend's hair dresser, superglued his hand when he nicked it. It worked too. He'd just put a drop on the cut and push it closed. Stiches and sealant all in one! Personally I don't think either chemical sets are that good for you...

          4. Piffin | Sep 27, 2002 09:15pm | #18

            Actually, surgeons use super glue in the OR all the time now.Excellence is its own reward!

          5. JohnSprung | Sep 27, 2002 09:42pm | #19

            A real, non-joke first aid use for glue:

            If you ever get those tiny splinters that you can feel but can't see, like from old wood lath, use yellow woodworking glue to glue a scrap of paper to the affected area.  Let it set for about half an hour, and when you peel it off, it pulls the splinters.  This really works great.

            -- J.S.

          6. JerraldHayes | Sep 28, 2002 06:29am | #34

            Yeah that works well for fiberglass too. The kinds of shard you might get from doing a glass layup or a busted up shower enclosure. Not necessarily insulation although I guess you could use the glue to remove the hidden stuff that's making you itch although you wouldn't have a hair left on your body.

            View Image

            I don't paint things. I only paint the difference

            between things.--Henri

            Matisse

          7. FrankB89 | Sep 28, 2002 06:42am | #35

            I picked up that yellow glue trick a few years ago, and it's great for those little hairy slivers that come of Doug fir bark, in addition to the things you mention....and it's kind of fun...like an excuse to do a little kid thing, peeling the glue off.  A heat gun, or a hair dryer speeds up the process if you need near-instant gratification. 

          8. Piffin | Sep 28, 2002 07:26am | #37

            A Heat gun for instant gratification????????2500 and counting...

            It's possible to have quality AND quantity!

            Excellence is its own reward!

          9. FrankB89 | Sep 28, 2002 09:01am | #38

            So are you striving to be the Cal Ripkin of BT? 

          10. Handydan | Sep 28, 2002 12:06pm | #39

            Between the medical advice, and the legal advice, I had just about figured why we are mostly tradespeople, and then I read the thread about self inflicted injuries.  Now i don't understand why most of us are still alive and in working condition at all.  If you think that duct tape makes good bandaids, try cleaning dog hair off upholstery with it.  works good on rugs in cars too.

            Dan

          11. Piffin | Sep 28, 2002 06:26pm | #40

            Honestly, I didn't realize my status until about a week ago. I didn't even know you could look and see # of posts about someone until a guy pointed out how many I had. It's not like I sit here all day looking at my profile. I just drop in every couple hours for a break - after all, it's called BREAKTIME! There's probably other contractors who spend more time in the coffee shops than I do here. I love coffee, but my prostrate doesn't.2500 and counting...

            It's possible to have quality AND quantity!

            Excellence is its own reward!

          12. FrankB89 | Sep 28, 2002 07:51pm | #41

            When you reach 5000 posts, I will personally engrave a Yew wood plaque noting your achievement and mail it to you.  Until then, keep up the good work...and I'm still waiting for a viable burn ointment suggestion. 

          13. Piffin | Sep 28, 2002 08:02pm | #42

            Furst Mcness has an ointment that works and smerlls a lot like udder cream. It promotes healing, kills pain, protects tissue from drying out, and my cracks from cold or concrete heal twice as fast under it. The smell will drive your friends away and the grease is terrible. But it would be my first choice.

            BTW, When I was doing hot roofing and we would get burned, especially on a finger, the guys always said to soak it in cider.

            Now back to quality posting....

            Excellence is its own reward!

          14. FrankB89 | Sep 28, 2002 09:39pm | #43

            Popeye always recommended soaking it in Olive Oyl. 

          15. rez | Sep 29, 2002 01:41am | #45

            Popeye Roar! I first thought it would be Mr T or Panama, not Notchman. Half of good living is staying out of bad situations.

            Forget the primal scream,  just Roar!

          16. whancock64 | Sep 28, 2002 07:26am | #36

            Use panty hose for the ones you can't see but don't feel like getting a 'wax' job over. supposidly you take an old pair and rub oneway and once then a new spot, oneway and once. If you aren't married and don't have a girlfriend or your granny only wears support sox, you just itch!

          17. cutawooda | Sep 29, 2002 01:06am | #44

            ...and who said sarcasm wasn't funny...you guys had me in stitches...I'm reaching for the first aid kit AND my crown stapler.....

          18. user-178115 | Sep 29, 2002 06:34am | #46

            Cutawooda, my dear man, please do not so lightly dismiss as "sarcasm" our diligent attempts to assist our brethren.  For example, "anesthesia" probably represents the biggest fraud foisted on the american people.  Patients put under so that they are not conscious of the pain? What a joke.  Patients are anesthesized so they don't witness reality (e.g.: cautery unit fritzes out, a charcoal warmer is a commonly accepted substitute).  Do you really think those neurosurgeries truly last seven hours?  How naive you can be.  The procedure lasts a total of 2 hours: 30 mins to knockout and prep the patient, 1 hr to operate, 30 mins clean up; that leaves five for the card game.  Know why the patients in recovery always have the shakes from the chills? That's because the scrub nurse opens the windows and starts the fans to clear the smoke and beer fumes.  So before you start criticizing the great Overlord Piffin, try checking some facts: suggested readings include STAR, National Enquirer, or the Globe...

            Regards,

            Rework

          19. FrankB89 | Sep 29, 2002 06:57am | #47

            "patients are anethetized so they don't witness reality...."

            Actually they're knocked out so they don't poop.  Ask any scrub nurse why he/she prefers surgery;  the honest ones will tell you.... 

          20. whancock64 | Sep 30, 2002 07:43am | #50

            Or injure themselves or the doc. They started bringing me out too soon while doing my wisdom teeth. I felt my head rocking when he was shattering the root with a cupped tip chisel. As I came to I grabbed the first thing that I could fuzzily make out, it turned out I put serious finger prints on his nurse's neck. He laid down on me to hit the supply to turn it back up, (sodium pentathol, my friend that day) and messed up the needle in my arm at the elbow. My arm got huge and ugly afterwards from it. Good thing was it was my left so I was back working quick, disguised as chipmunk boy, bad thing was I got the nurse with the right hand. I'd been swinging a hammer all summer that year building churches. Felt bad, but hey, I thought I was out, on the ground and getting the crap punched out of me!

          21. Piffin | Sep 29, 2002 09:18pm | #48

            Have you ever tried to do some nice trim work with the customer looking on and offering advice while you work? I can think of a couple customers I'd like to knock out with anesthetics(wow, that was fun to try spelling) while I do the job..

            Excellence is its own reward!

          22. user-178115 | Sep 30, 2002 06:49am | #49

            My dear Sir, regarding your question: think exterior trim, think fascia falling from the peak of the gable on a 10 in 12 colonial...the sudden silencing of the lawn based critics would be golden.   Afterwards they would probably give you a wide berth even on the interior jobs...

            Regards,

            Rework

          23. DougU | Sep 28, 2002 04:53am | #29

            Started in Viet Nam, using the super glue for cuts

          24. FrankB89 | Sep 28, 2002 03:06am | #20

            The only problem with Great Stuff is that it's quite flammable, so if you're going to promote its use, you might offer some suggestions for burn medication, especially for smokers.

            (I'm wondering if Andy might consider some of these field remedies for the "Tips and Techniques" department.   If so, he might want to make sure FHB is current with their liability policy). 

          25. user-178115 | Sep 28, 2002 03:24am | #21

            Notchman:

            Risky to question the great Piffin:  The Overlord fully realizes the flammable nature of the product, in fact he's counting on it.  Remember, we are talking cuts here.   Smokers have a poorer peripheral circulation than the general population, so their open wounds take longer to heal.  When the product ignites, as it invariably will without cessation of smoking, then the wound will be cauterized, counteracting their generally slower healing....

            Regards,

            Rework

          26. Piffin | Sep 28, 2002 03:39am | #22

            I leet you have the pedestal for one day and already you are beating me to the cauterization punch line. But you forgot to add the important point that the odor of burnt hair will also repell insects that might bring germs to the site of the wound.Excellence is its own reward!

          27. Sancho | Sep 28, 2002 03:47am | #23

            I use this home made stuff my wife makes. Its a recipe from mexico. its some herbs mixed with alcohol inna 2 ltr pepsi bottle. ya put it on with a cotton ball (not Gunner) and swabb it and then add a little more and tape that to the wound it burns like no tomorrow cuz of the alcohol but It heals the wound very quickly sometimes over night. i used it the last time I put a waffle face on my thumb and it healed it inna week or so.. great stuff. Darkworksite4: When the job is to small for everyone else, Its just about right for me"

          28. Piffin | Sep 28, 2002 03:57am | #24

            Sounds like something to try next time you catch a cold, but I don't mean as a topical ointment...Excellence is its own reward!

          29. FastEddie1 | Sep 28, 2002 04:10am | #25

            Another serious use for super glue:  I snagged my fingernail and tore it partially loose.  Rather than be a man and rip it the rest of the way off, I super glued it back in place and waited for it to grow out.  Had to touch up the glue a couple of times, but it kept the rough edge covered so it didn't snag on anything else.

          30. FrankB89 | Sep 28, 2002 04:15am | #26

            I'm starting to think that if I wounded a finger in the presence of the company on this forum, I would be better off to just sneak off and amputate the damned thing. 

          31. Newf | Sep 28, 2002 04:18am | #27

            This sounds like one for "Recommended Posts"

            ...Or maybe not...

            ...<g>...Newf

            1000 or Bust!

          32. Piffin | Sep 28, 2002 04:42am | #28

            I know just the doctor for you.

            The first time that I did a number on my left index finger ( I dropped a trailer tongue on it) I went to the Hospital with it kind of purple and the fingernail sort of floating on a puddle of blood. I can remember telling them, "I know it's not broken because it doesn't hurt. I just need this fingernail cleaned up a little"

            So afte X-rays, the doc came in and tapped on it, saying "This One's Broke" One tap for each word. Each tap hurt like a 22oz.waffle head slamming down on it!

            As it turned out, the end bone was shattered into five pieces that we could count. He told me that there wasn't any thing they could do about that other than let'r heal but that they needed to take the nail off. I already knew that since that was why I thought that I had come in.

            So he just ripped it off the rest of the way without meds.

            I never did figure out if he enjoyed it or just thought that he could make it hurt less that way - like the quick rip way of removing adhesive tape...Excellence is its own reward!

          33. FrankB89 | Sep 28, 2002 05:18am | #30

            Finger wounds, especially smashes, usually painful even to those of us with faily high pain threshholds.  But low priority in an emergency room because they're not life threatening.  A friend and I were cutting up some big, wet logs on my mill a few years ago and he tried to cushion a big cant with his middle finger when I shoved it off the cut.  His finger was shattered but he sat in the ER for 5 hours before they looked at it.

            Next day, we were cutting again and the tape kept coming off his splint.  Duct tape was the solution.

            No real point to this yarn except I got a first hand look at his finger bones.

             

          34. Piffin | Sep 28, 2002 05:28am | #31

            Mine was in a smalltown where i was the only one in the ER. The doc came in from his dinner where I'm sure he'd already had a couple glasses of wine.2500 and counting...

            It's possible to have quality AND quantity!

            Excellence is its own reward!

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            JeffBuck | Sep 28, 2002 05:31am | #32

            I've ben superglue-ing my cuts for a long time now....not sure where I gto the idea. Works great for cuts....I even had to buy a tube on vacation once when the new tennis shoes rubbed a huge blister on my heel.....couldn't walk, even with thick socks......so I found a drug store.....got a razor blade, alchol, and super glue.

            Sliced a flap.....squeased to drain......cleaned...and glued it back shut. Worked great.....I could walk fine by the next day. Have glued hand slices together on the job site many times....no harm, no foul.

            Jeff.......Sometimes on the toll road of life.....a handful of change is good.......

          36. jimblodgett | Sep 28, 2002 06:11am | #33

            I'm thinkin' if you staple a band aid on, maybe you should put a dab of silicone over the crown to keep the rain out.  Never know what's in that water.

            I think super glue was originally developed as a medical aid, maybe for the space program?  Or the military? But maybe that's just a story I keep hearing like the guy and the pully, and the barrel full of bricks on the third floor...oh man, I'm laughin' just thinking about that poor fool.

            Brinkmann for president in '04

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