So here’s the pickle: I’m asked to replace cedar shingles on a portion of this house, but there doesn’t appear to be any flashing going out from under the shingles and onto the standing seam roof.
I’m not roofer, but according to my buddy Mr. Google, I see this is the way that standing seam roofs are generally flashed: http://www.buildings.com/Newsletters/roofing/dec04fig1.jpg
My question is, what the heck does one do for a field-fix when the specially cut flashing isn’t available??
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Edited 7/11/2007 3:36 pm ET by JFink
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I can't tell from your pic or not if that's real standing seam or snaplock. If it's standing seam, the pans are probably bent up the wall, which is the old way (and more attractive and leak resistant) than the commercial way of adding an apron on top of the seams as the detail is showing.
If it's snaplock, then it won't bend easily, then the apron on top of the seams and some sort of closer in between would be necessary.
That window sill to the right is awfully tight down on the roof. Does the roof leak at the wall junction? If not, it's likely turned up the wall.
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To me, that window suggests that this lower SS roof may have been an addition poorly planned and executed. That could mean something like a 4x4 head flashing under it and caulked.I'd be afraid to touch the job without being allowed to take the window out and reset it and deal with all flashing related issues.Also, the paint is flaking off at top where that skirt board transitions from the cedar siding shingles below to the claps above.That suggests water is getting in there 'cause something is amiss with that detail.There is no sense in touching this job without being allowed to do it right. If all they wanted was shingles, I'd walk
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Answer: Hire a roofer
I would just about bet you have another problem too that does not quite show in the photo. It looks like the skylight is awfully close to the valley, and the staining on the window sill hints that water has backed up there more than once. Is there a runoff from upper roof just off right of the photo that is leading excessive amounts of water to that juncture?
They may have alot of issues from poor design and poor detailing and are expecting a magic cure by only replacing those shingles
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I enlarged the photo and the windows don't have sills. They're picture framed and I'm pretty sure the roof pans are turned up the wall. The shingles are down too tight on the roof. The skylight is probably far enough away from the valley to not be a concern, IMHO.
I'll have to look at the OP again, but I didn't pick up that there was a leak.
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not one they know about anyways.Did you notice that window had a combination storm on it but the others did not and they appear to have sills to me, along with a slightly heavier muntion.Makes me wonder if the upper was an addition going up and those are newer windows up there.
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Man, I'd appreciate it if you'd stop showing my picture around the internet. Bad enough that I have to go to galleries like that.
Justin, that metal detail from the manual looks iffy. The metal roofers here would bend the end of each pan up the wall. There would also be a flashing over the ribs, somewhat like shown. I agree with Piffin that at a minimum the window is coming out. Don't know if you've ever tried to walk on pans like that, but it is zero fun. The slightest dust or dew and you're going down hard.
What a hilarious pic. Are you the photogaraher? What Canadian city and gallery is it taken at?
Have a good day
CLiffy
Are you the photogaraher? What Canadian city and gallery is it taken at?
Nope and I don't know. I just found it and passed it along.
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Too bad. I bet a few of us Canucks on this site could take a few funny ones of our wives or girlfriends for the scrapbook.
Have a good day
CLiffy
I know, the job is making me more and more nervous as time passes. I haven't been out to see it yet, just trying to make some ahead-of-time, educated guesses about what the situation is. Now if only I were educated! haha.
Here are a few more pics to help fuel the fire!
I think you are all absolutely right, the roof in the foreground appears to be part of an addition, and is waaaay close to those windows. The customer is very open to ideas, and she wants it done right, so I guess the proposal at this point would be to choose smaller windows in order to get them farther from the roof surface?
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Justin,
Now that you're more than a FHB magazine guy and semi regularly post here...........
Could you please shrink those photo's down just a tad more. I don't have a wide screen monitor and the long pics are pulling the type out of view.
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You got it Cal. We use big old cameras around here, and I shrank those down to about 35% of the original. I don't always know if they are still too big until I see the post myself. I will go back and shrink em a bit more...thanks for the head's up.
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Thanks.
There doesn't seem to have been much forethought on that previous addition. They tried to cram quite a bit into it and then they crammed it into the house. Knowing when to stop will be the hard part. A great place for Information, Comraderie, and a sucker punch.
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Say, you all know alot over there at Taunton.
How long does it take those eye exam drops to wear off so's I can go make an attempt at work?
thanks again.A great place for Information, Comraderie, and a sucker punch.
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oh man...the one's that make your pupils dilate? Get some dark sunglasses and you'll be good to go in about 2 hours or less.Justin Fink - FHB Editorial
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Well I guess we're at 1.5 hrs now. The super dark safety glasses don't quite do it. Shoulda picked up a pair of those senior glasses............
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FWIW Looking at the pics I think you have an addition at the first floor level and a remodeled gable end above that . That whole side of the building is one large remodel (or multiple remodels) with bad roof flashing details and potentially (as Piffin noted) a bad detail between the claps and shingles at the base of the gable end . Note the window trim detail at the window headers. To the left of the ridge of the addition with the skylights in it you have one size trim board , to the left and in the gable end you have another size. "Poor is not the person who has too little, but the person who craves more."...Seneca
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That window right of ridge was probably replaced to make room for the addition, while they tried to keep the one left that is questionable because of being too close to roof. It still looks original to me and that suggests strongly that they never took it out and remounted it, so it is impossible for them to have flashed and sealed it correctly. A smaller window may be to best answer there, and who knows, the HO might be chomping at the bit to spend more money, just like we enjoy any excuse to buy another tool!
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