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How do they get deer to cross at those yellow road signs?
Stumbled on this, and thought some of you might be interested:
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How do they get deer to cross at those yellow road signs?
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I love #3. I wonder if the truck was lying on its side on the ground, and the tree started growng through it ...
The one with the guy still pinned under the machine didn't do much for me.........Why are there interstates in Hawaii?
These all remind me of the attached photo ...
That picture is staged.
See the two drag marks that lead out from under the boxed missile ? (From under, going off to our right...)Those are from the forks... as the forklift was being forced back up against that wall and stage.
It looks to me like the boxed missile was pasted in there. Seems to be a different pixel package. (Different density. Different 'loss'. Etc.)
If it wasn't pasted in, then it was carefully laid in the forks of the forklift.
There are no bang or skid marks on the pavement from the boxed missile.
The missile extends way beyond the drivers side of the forklift. The forklift, is obviously right up against the door jamb on the drivers side. If not actualy past it, and leaning against the wall.
If the missile had been balanced while coming through the doorway, it would have collided with the doorway on the drivers side.
If the missile had been overbalanced on the passenger side, so as to clear the doorway, it would have overbalanced so much as to simply fall off the forks in that direction.
If the forklift and missile were balanced coming through the door, the forklift would still be in the center of the doorway. It could not have slid left. (Even if it had, it would have left skid marks on this side.
The missile could have slid left, but would have left bang and skid marks on this side of the missile box.
And finaly... with a payload that size, on a forklift that heavy... The forklift would have had to be going 25 or 30 miles an hour to get that far over the threshold, before doing a nosedive. If the whole package had been going the normal speed, (even the normal 'fast' speed), then it would have taken a nose dive immediately when the front wheels went over the threshold. The forklift would have ended up on top, crushing the missile. Or, if the forks and frame were strong enough to hold up to the challenge... it would have flipped over on it's top.
Quittin' Time
Now thats an eye for detail :)View ImageGo Jayhawks
Hiya,
I don't agree.
Take note of the wheel positons. The right rear is slightly elevated from platform, and the right front is slightly above the tarmac.
The right fork is dug in just in front of the bomb's carriage frame. (it's some model of cluster munition).
Now, take a look just to the right and aft of the steering wheel. See that black thing that extends towards it from the ramp? That's part of the cushion that runs along the ramp's edge. Also, note the platform's buymper. Both were pulled down by the forklift body.
IMHO, that driver was going up the ramp and wanted to swing wide to the left to get that carriage through the RH turn into the warehouse but ended up sliding that puppy right off the ramp instead. That's also why the load wasn't centered. Then the forklift's body hung a bit when the left-hand wheels went over. Momentum and the weight of the load made the body slide to the right (which would have been ahead for the driver). The left rear wheel is (probably) hung on the platform, too. That, coupled with the RH fork pegged into the tarmac, is why the RH wheels are off the surfaces.
I'll bet ya a sinker and cup of coffee that that facility doesn't permit loads that wide through that entrance/ramp combo, too. I'll bet the driver was loaded his pants ;-)
The driver was definitely going faster than allowed.
T.
I'm glad that you made me take another look.
I see something that makes me doubt at least part of what I had figured before.
The rear of the forklift is NOT up against the wall. That platform turns into the ramp that goes off to our right. It is wide enough, out from the wall, for a forklift to run along it. Therefore, the forklift cannot be up against the wall.
That would make it hard to explain the wheels not being in contact. However, if you put the pic in a graphics program and enlarge it, you'll see that the rear wheel is definately still in contact with the platform. The front wheel is, as you say, definately not in contact with the ground. What is in contact at that point, is the carriage asembly for the forks themselves.
Now, taking that into consideration, if I were correct about the thing having been dragged backwards and put in that position intentionaly, then one of two things would have to be true. Either, the fork carriage assembly would have had to make skid marks, just like the forks did, in their turn. Or, the people staging it would have had to stop at exatly the moment that that would have started to happen.
As for the piece of ramp bumper... that could just as well be a wire or hose of some sort.
All in all, you've presented enough to make me have to admit that I am not so positive that I am right.
But... I am still pretty sure that it was staged, and not for real.
I don't think the fork is dug in. I think that it is at the end of the skid mark it made, when being dragged backwards.
I don't think that piece of black extends from the platform. I think it is hanging on the forklift itself. The platform's bumper is obviously one continuous piece, and is still connected all the way through. It has not been altered or affected.
...
So... To completely batter my illusion of having a good eye for details... 1.) I didn't notice that that was a ramp up to the platform, behind the forklift, until you mentioned it. And, 2.) I didn't notice the front wheel being suspended above the pavement like that.
...
But, back to forensics...
Look at the length of that boxed missile. IF... IF that forklift was carrying that missile up that narrow ramp, it was doing so, with the load all the way off to the drivers side. It would HAVE to have been on the forklift exactly as you see it in the picture. It is possible that there are brackets on the bottom of the box to allow this sort of thing.
But... If it tried to carry that thing with the load all the way over to one side like that, it would surely have tipped over at the slightest chance.
Still in your favor, though, I think the forks are at about the right height to have been doing so. Just high enough to keep the other end of the box from dragging ground, but not high enough to over balance the weight of the forklift itself.
So the bottom line is that it COULD have happened the way you describe. Or at least nearly so.
Actualy, with the passenger side wheels being so near to featherweight, because of the balance of the load being so far to the driver's side, I see your senario as likely, instead of just possible.
Good job.
: )
Quittin' Time
Two things...
This could have been avoided if the forklift driver had simply lifted the balanced box up to platform height, and loaded it up onto the platform. That would allow another forklift, above, to pick the box up, and drive backward into the building with it.
If this was being done because only one forklift was available... It still could have been avoided if the driver had simply 1.) been more cautious, and slower, and 2.) had lowered the load as soon as he was on the ramp high enough that the box would no longer have dragged ground on the other end.
Granted, with number two, he would have had to stop, and take his time, bringing the load back to height again, once on flat ground, then slowly making the turn.
Quittin' Time
I hate to get in on this arguement, but...........
Forks on forklifts are typically picked up by a chain or 2. So if the forklift was pulled up there backwards, the forks would have "floated" up the mast. There would be no reason for them to dig in that much.
The "ruts" may have comne from someone trying to slide the forks from another forklift up under the thing. (Before the pic was taken, obviously) Looks to me like the loose debris is pushed up against the frame of the "bomb".
Also - That's an indoor forklift, so the mast is probably pretty close to the ground. So the mast could be holding the front wheels off the ground, since it sticks out in front of the main body.Men have a much better time of it than do women. For one thing, they marry later; for another thing, they die sooner.
There's more agreement than argument here, Boss.
And you are correct on all counts.
: )
Quittin' Time
My turn to disagree. I think 1. The loading dock is wider than you think it is, plenty wide enough for that bomb to be carried up the ramp and through the door. 2. There are two more of those racks in the left of the picture. I don't see any space for the forks, but they got there somehow. More mystery? Or driver came out the door and had a brainfart?
Joe H
Further research indicates-----> "an accident a year ago at a Navy storage facility in Japan. Seems a sailor was driving a forklift around, "it was an older model and the gas and the brake are very close," a Navy spokeswoman said, and. . . .
The caption? "Ain't This Da Bomb?" "
Edited 2/28/2003 7:18:47 PM ET by JoeH
Looking again, with the single intention of trying to determine the width of the ramp... I do think it is wider than I thought it was. That is.. if the end of the ramp actualy coincides with the corner of the building. That is the most logical place for it to be.
I still don't think it is wide enough to carry that missile, broadside and evenly balanced.
Agreed on the other two crates.
The hardhat looks like the squat type they wear in japan. That fits with the Navy story.
Good work.
: )
Quittin' Time
The navy story brought a question to my mind...
The fact that it is in Japan.
I have to wonder just how much of the United State's vaunted, maligned, and envied military might... Is sitting in foreign warehouses.
More than that, how many of the manufacturing facilities are foreign ?
What happens if we get the whole world pissed at us, and all those foreign countries seize the booty on hand, and turn the production facilities to their own means, against us ?
Maybe we have let the big business, higher profit at all costs, types, make us into a toothless tiger ?
Quittin' Time
The crane is too new to have laid there long enough for the tree to grow and carry it up that far.
Quittin' Time
No, really?
Well, you asked.
; )
Quittin' Time
if u carve Yours & her initials in a tree 48" above ground level, tree grows 3" / yr. how high will initials be in 10 yrs????
Do I really look sappy enough to have carved mine and her initials into a tree ???
; )
Quittin' Time
Do I really look sappy enough to have carved mine and her initials into a tree ???
Do you REALLY want me to answer that one???
ROFLOL
No.
Please no.
Quittin' Time
They will still be 48" high. The bark grows out not up. :)
In the late 70's I was stationed on a submarine in Pearl Harbor. One day, as another sub lay berthed behind us, a crane tried to snag a load from a barge outboard of the sub. The noise of the boom slamming down onto the black hull of the sub could be heard for miles, but not a far as the yelling that begun when the commanding officer of that same sub came up on deck and found not only his submarine underneath the crane, but his car as well!
I ran thru all of them and didn't see the Big Blue crane in Milwaukee. That was a chilling event.
There must be a big factor on wind loads with loading those things. Even dinky cranes now get lift & load angle detection devices to avoid unsafe reaches. Most of the errors must be due to things like the septic tank underground, bad soil in general and the wind. I've got a customer that makes the load angle checking devices and they sell like crazy to the crane OEM's.
There was a crane accident in Manhattan years ago that I remember seeing in a newspaper photo. They were taking down an old neon theater marquee, a very tall, narrow piece of neon sign. The mistake was that they vastly underestimated the weight of the pidgeon s--t inside it, and the crane took one of those 90 degree falls. Thankfully only minor injuries.
-- J.S.
Most excellent ;-)
Not a crane, but similar:
http://www.northbrookbc.org/nbcnew/roof_acci/
Franchy, are ya reading this ???
I spilled spot remover on my dog.
He's gone now.