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Dear Blue,
I just wanted you to know that even though you might be band, that you can always follow along with what I’ve been doing. I know how you and the guys just love the work that I do. I wouldn’t want you to miss one bit of it.
Here’s a project that I started about 5 days ago. The stories not finished yet but I hope to be done soon so check back often. I now how you just love this stuff.
I must admit that with all the names you call me I feel a bit shy about posting it and I would hate for Dennis to think that I might quit my day job and be like a “web” programmer and something. To just think that I really have trouble just keep tract of my blocks and string that both are very big steps for a guy like me. I’m sure that if I keep practicing that someday I will be the absolute antithesis of you and Dennis.
Wish me luck. . .
© 1999-2000
“He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you.”
Friedrich W. Nietzsche
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Joe,
Just some friendly advice...
In respose to less than flattering remarks about you another thread you said : Do you think your drivel bothers to me?
In making this post you have proven that indeed, it most certainly does 'bother to you'. Sometimes the best response is no response at all. Remember that old adage about keeping your mouth shut and letting people think that you are stupid rather than...
*Joe...For one day of your posting life...be nice...We all like the Joe that gets along with those he disagrees with.This site can't take having 24/7 disputes...Maybe ten percent disputes and making up but not full time war.near the stream,ajAnd I'm sure any of your detractors will follow your lead...You are a leader right!
*hey joe , nice work.... keep it comming .. we'll make a remodeler out of you yet....nice story line....
*I agree. Good work. I am looking forward to the rest of the story.
*And pry that nail out of your....
*Hi Joe,My daughter and son in law recently bought a home that has an attached carport similar to the structure you're describing. After seeing this thread they now know that they want to convert their carport into a sunroom. Nice work.I've already committed to assisting my son in law when time permits. As for now, I've got 44 arch top raised panel doors to build.Cleaning the dust off my trammel points.Frank
*Vey nice work, Joe.Waiting for the ending...James
*Dear Mr. adirondackJack,
View Image © 1999-2000"He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you." Friedrich W. Nietzsche
*Wow,Them rafter cuts are tighter than a bull's ass in pulpberry season! No need for any structural caulk there.I thought you only did glamour jobs Joe. Nice to see you're in the trenches with the rest of us.Tom
*Hi Frank,
Best Regards, View Image © 1999-2000"The first step towards vice is to shroud innocent actions in mystery, and whoever likes to conceal something sooner or later has reason to conceal it." Aristotle
*Joe,Very polite and I thank you...though I am chuckling...It is a blast to spar with you.I have a request...If you really mean not to show an inflated ego here anymore and just fit while still being yourself...How about nixing all of this on every post?(insert BIG LOGO here) i © 1999-2000i "He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you."i Friedrich W. Nietzsche Why else would you be posting quotes about monsters...and fights...and abysses.....and gazing....It's all puffing up your chest stuff and "look at me" stuff...yes?...Yes I have my "near the stream" ego thing but it is not meant to intimidate...just stimulate...thought, that is...One thing...It could get mighty boring here if ya get too much in line with the majority...OK...Keep the quotes...It's a good reminder of who you are...for sure!Love, peace and silence!...near the stream,aji Watch out for the monster lobsters coming to an abyss nearby!By:AJ.
*Hello James,
Best Regards, View Image © 1999-2000"The first step towards vice is to shroud innocent actions in mystery, and whoever likes to conceal something sooner or later has reason to conceal it." Aristotle
*hey just a.....what's your real name?... you are so transparent ... shame on you
*Tom,
View Image © 1999-2000"The first step towards vice is to shroud innocent actions in mystery, and whoever likes to conceal something sooner or later has reason to conceal it." Aristotle
*Well though I'm laughing at where this is going and when it will finally calm down around here...Tell me who it is Mike!...Blue?Off to vball...What a mess when I return I bet!ajHold the fort Mike!
*Just a gay,
View Image © 1999-2000"The first step towards vice is to shroud innocent actions in mystery, and whoever likes to conceal something sooner or later has reason to conceal it." Aristotle
*Joe,Structural caulk refers to any viscous tube goods, delivered by hand powered hydraulic insertion devices for other than their intended use or for sexual gratification. For example, if the top cut of your rafter is less than 10 degrees off, you could fill the gap with construction adhesive. Anything more than ten degrees and you will need to nail on a joist hanger to cover it up. It's a tough decision there as you would probably have to hang all the rafters to avoid drawing attention. That's why it's so important to keep the cuts within 10 degrees and just go ahead and use the structural caulk.I expected there might be some regional confusion as to when pulpberry season hits, but I thought structural caulk was a universal.Sheesh! Goes to show you what I know.Tom
*youse my hero , tommy b...kinda validates my framing too...hah, hah, hah...structural caulk ... and that barrel of joist hangers i always have left over.........now i know how to fix dose tings....
*Tom,
View Image © 1999-2000"The first step towards vice is to shroud innocent actions in mystery, and whoever likes to conceal something sooner or later has reason to conceal it." Aristotle
*Hey JoeCould you show some pictures of how the roof flashing is installed? Just curious.
*Any old caulk'll do Joe.My conscience won't allow me to take credit for these innovations. I don't know, I guess I've been pretty fortunate to have worked for some real top notch guys who were generous enought to share their craft with me. Most of them managed to work their way into other more lucrative professions.What can I say, I'm blessed.Tom
*Mark,
View Image © 1999-2000"The first step towards vice is to shroud innocent actions in mystery, and whoever likes to conceal something sooner or later has reason to conceal it." Aristotle
*I was wondering if the existing siding was going to be covered or left exposed, so that explains a couple questions. I still would like to see the pictures. Thats going to be a real nice addition.
*Mark,
View Image © 1999-2000"The first step towards vice is to shroud innocent actions in mystery, and whoever likes to conceal something sooner or later has reason to conceal it." Aristotle
*Joe, Thanks for posting a job for revue. Too bad you titled it Dear Blue. It just doesn't seem right.Anyways, even though you and Gabe didn't validate my Boogerin' thread with any comments, and i lost a lot of sleep over that, I'll weigh in here with a bevy of questions and comments.First, I couldn't get all the pics downloaded. I actually had to walk away and my wife got a foot rub while I waited for most of them to come in. I'd prefer seperate posts so I could nitpick seperate photos, but this will have to do. I have to operate from photo memory because I don't dare hit the back button to review your data and pics.I think I noticed a double bottom plate. I think I noticed the bottom to be a treated plate, with a second "white" plate stacked on top. Is there a need for this, or did you inadvertantly kill a owl somewhere?I noticed that the bottom cripples on the frame seemed to be held to a continous 16" oc. Occasionally, when I frame a sequence of windows like you have there, I prefer to space the cripples out more evenly, for "rough frame asthetics" rather that hold to the hard and fast oc spacing. Sometimes, theres a need to hold the oc spacing, and I do.Also, I often would run a continuos header in this type of situation. I'll post a pic tomorrow because I have a similar situation going at my present project.I'm not a big fan of the stud-blocks-stud corner. I prefer the two stud "L" corner for energy purposes, and framing speed, but occasionally have the need for a different corner arrangement.I also noticed some very small top cripples above the window headers. I avoid these small cripples like the plague because of their tendency to split. I know that they will strucurally do their job, even if they split, but still don't like to use them. In your case, I probably would have raised the header tite to the top plate, installed the trimmers and then framed the window down if I had to hold that height. If possible, I'd have simply raised the windows up, eliminating the extra build down time and materials. I love saving owls.I also wondered why you didn't align the window tops with the door top. Usually, I try to maintain those heights, but occasionally can't. In fact, the house I'm doing right now has the same situation.I'm surprised that the top plate was so out of level. In a remodel, I normally throw a level on the sole plate and add or subtract an amount to my "normal" stud length. If possible, I get that top plate level and therefore parallel with the window headers.In the event that I can't have a level top plate, I prefer to add or subtract from my heel to get my rafters in plane. In your situation, I probably would use that good old fashioned ball of string and stretch it across the walls at the heel line. I'd then measure each rafter spot and put a + or - mark and number. For instance, if the desired heel was 4.5", and the wall was low by an inch, I'd put a +1" notation. Then, I'd cut the rafters and add an inch to the heel. The drawback is confusion if someone else is handling them. Then, I number them.I use the identical method for arriving at ridge length. I like the commons to be identical, if possible. I would figure a higher heel however because we're in a cold climate and every inch of insulation matters.I also calculate the hips too. I usually calculate them using total rise and total run. Ofcourse, the run of the hip is the hypotenuse of the common run. The total rise was fixed at the outset. The 4 3/8" unit rise doesn't faze me a bit. I dipute your claim that finding the difference in length with the framing square is arduos. Hold 4 and 3/8" and 12, your known variables. Put a mark along the 12. Slide the square along that line until you read 16. Look at the tongue to see the common difference. Total elapsed time: five seconds. I don't think the word arduous is accurate.I was concerned about the flashing but I read that you are going to seriously attack that aspect with ice sheild and flashing and step flashing. It's better to be safe than sorry. I'd probably skip the ice shield depending on the exposure. But then again, since I'd be remodeling, maybe I wouldn't.Thanks for posting the pics and the job Joe. I'd like to see more and I hope I can download those missed pics on my next try.blue
*Just curious here Joe is this your first big job or are you so proud that this one didn't fall down you had to start your own thread to show everyone?
*Is this being built in wind country ?I counted 7 nails in one side of a hip? rafter....couldn't resist...sorry!
*Just curious here Joe is this your first big job or are you so proud that this one didn't fall down you had to start your own thread to show everyone?
*Just a gay,
View Image © 1999-2000"The first step towards vice is to shroud innocent actions in mystery, and whoever likes to conceal something sooner or later has reason to conceal it." Aristotle
*Just a question Joe, I noticed new concrete/mortar on the foundation, assuming to level and or repair. Why the shims up top, and why not level the whole build from the bottom? These are just observatory questions. Was the flat roof not able to be jacked and leveled? Or would structural damage have occurred? Was the flat roof cantelevered? Again, just questions. Looks like a cool porch though, more pics I'm assuming? I ask because a house I did in Tacoma had about 16 feet of kitchen wall that along with moisture rot, 1916 style framing, and the desire for a new 60x48 awning window, had to be removed/replaced, which took jacking the entire corner of a two story house up and stabilizing for removal and replacement. (The neighbor crapped the day we cut out and kicked the section into the driveway, the look he had on his face was priceless when the corner of the house came out.) We had a situation similar to yours where the second story was'nt exactly level so studs of different lengths along with some pretty heavy jacks were used to level the project out enough to make everything fit with no damage.
*Looks like Joe's reply to Just so Gay left him with nothing to say.......way to go Joe! Joe H
*ROFLMAO
*I had plenty to say but it was deleted. Seems Joe can talk gay stuff all he wants, but anybody else gets deleted. would that make him the head queer?
*Nope. Just means that he kept his comments civil, and you must've been vile in your response.
*I kept em along the same lines as Joes. Maybe if I registered this stuff wouldn't happen. Then I could talk to Joe all the time. He's my buddy.:)
*Chris,
View Image © 1999-2000"The first step towards vice is to shroud innocent actions in mystery, and whoever likes to conceal something sooner or later has reason to conceal it." Aristotle
*joe.... yes indeed...or the tree you save for 6 months at the insistence of the owner... working around it day after day..and you stop back 6 months later .. it's gone..."" well the landscape architect didn't like that species"...or.. " yes we kept backing into it, it was in the way"brrrr.....
*Just curious, Joe, do you prefer not to use sill sealer or do you have another approach? Or are my eyes going bad? Nice effort on documenting your project - I must have a faster computer because I didn't have time for a full foot massage.Near the abyss,Jeff
*Jeff,
View Image © 1999-2000"The first step towards vice is to shroud innocent actions in mystery, and whoever likes to conceal something sooner or later has reason to conceal it." Aristotle
*Okay coward, you're outta here.Gabe
*i Actualy Joe I live in your town so I know who you are. Maybe I will "BUMP" into you sometime. And by the way. I don't mean "BUMP" in a loving way. You've pissed off enough people around here pal. Sleep on that. JAG,You said earlier that your response to Joe was of the same calibre as his post. That your post was deleted anyway. For that instance, I had to take your word for it, since I hadn't read the post you made, before it was deleted. I had a feeling that either you deleted the post yourself, or it was deleted because the content was not so 'pure' as you would have us think. Still, as I said, I felt I had to take your word for it.b This post, I can read for myself. This is an outright threat on Joe. There is no place in this forum for such threats. I would not blame Joe if he called his lawyer and had them trace you down, (It can be done extremely easily, starting from the records of the above post. You are not as anonymous as you may think you are on the internet.), and had you arrested for threats.You recieve my vote to recieve the first ever ban from this site.P.S. I guess it's a moot point that should Joe take the legal route, he will then know who you are as well. I doubt he would make a point of this fact, since he wouldn't want to sound threatening in return...
*Just a gay,
View Image © 1999-2000"He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you." Friedrich W. Nietzsche
*Joe! Was Nietzsche the guy that said God was dead?
*L,
View Image © 1999-2000"He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you." Friedrich W. Nietzsche
*Oh and by the way, L. Sider,Not only was Nietzsche the guy who coined the phrase "God is dead" ... he's also a loser who died broke, alone, and reportedly insane. Philosophy - big deal!Geo.
*Not just reportedly, he was declared insane for the last years of his life. To really over-simplify, Nietzsche believed that Christianity enslaved the common people to serve their bourgeois masters and that the entire western civilization was hopelessly decadent and corrupt. Sort of a blend of Kierkegaard and Marx.
*Let's go back to the begining here. I won't go too far since Joe will probabley have this deleted again. The first post which was deleted asked Joe if he was gay for or jelious of Blue since he dedicated a whole thread to proving he was a real carpenter. It was a teasing thread and Joe was write to respond the way he did. Only he felt that he was above everyone else and only his "GAY" responses were the only funny ones since mine were the only ones deleted. It's kind of the way he conducts himself all around the board if he was a good guy do you think everyone would slam him?
*Almost Thanksgiving....Lets be nice for a few months...near the stream,aj
*Just a gay,
View Image © 1999-2000"He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you." Friedrich W. Nietzsche
*Your still a coward and your not welcome.Get lost.Gabe
*I probably went to far with the "BUMPING" post although it would be impossible for an attorney to track me down so don't think you scare me with that crap tough guy. I didn't realize the sight administrator hated you too. Well half our battle is done. Just one more dig here Joe. I bet you make it a point to tell your customers how lucky they are that your doing the work and not somebody else. Because no one else would be able to do as good a job as you. That's probably what is most annoying. The your lucky you hired a guy with all my skills attitude. You should never trash your own trade. It makes you look worse. Until you piss me off again. LaterNote to Gabe: Your ridicules.
*And you're still a coward who's not welcomed.Gabe
*Just a gay,
View Image © 1999-2000"He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you." Friedrich W. Nietzsche
*Hey....I consider my clients lucky to have me.......can ya move to my town and put a cyber "hit" on me too? ......i hate these 12 year olds that have to play hard guy on the internet.....as much as I hate the 42 year olds that do the same thing! Jeff
*Joe, That job looks like a good un.. Some guys have all the luck.
*Curiously your spelling ability is on par with Joe. Surely Joe hasn't invented a character to keep this going? Nahhh!!!????
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View Image © 1999-2000"He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you." Friedrich W. Nietzsche
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View Image © 1999-2000"He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you." Friedrich W. Nietzsche
*i I probably went to far with the "BUMPING" post although it would be impossible for an attorney to track me down so don't think you scare me with that crap tough guy.Joe wasn't the 'tough guy' who quoted 'that crap'. I was. I was not trying to be a tough guy, not to scare you, I was simply stating fact.When you get on the internet, you have to do so through an isp. If your IP number is dynamic, you are given an IP number, (by your isp), when you log on. If it is static, you always have the same IP number. Your isp has automatic records of who is logged on at what time, and what ip number was given to that person. When you come here and make a post, your ip number, (among other information), is recorded. It is a simple task to have a lawyer ask for Taunton's records and get the ip number, (and other information), that is associated with your particular post. (The information will still be in the records even if you delete the post.) With the information gotten from Taunton, anyone can use a simple tracert program and find out who your isp is. Once the isp is found, the lawyers can request the records of who was using that particular ip number at that particular time. Neither Taunton nor your isp will hand over the records willingly for anything like calling someone names, etc. But you made a point of the fact that you know, in real life, who and where Joe is, then you threatened him with a physical attack. That is enough of a criminal offense that it would be simple for Joe's lawyer to have the courts demand the records. I don't know about your isp, but I don't think Taunton will withhold the records if they are demanded by the courts. Still feel totaly anonymous ?
*"God is dead" ' Fredrich W. Nietzsche' "Nietzsche is dead" "GOD"
*Not that your endless drivle interests me but have you ever heard of a firewall? Tough guy. Are you an amateur sleuth? Look here's what I'm gonna do I'm gonna back off of Joey and let him go on. It seems he has far more detractors than I thought, and since he has to leave his own lonely sight to use this one. The one with traffic to preach his gospel he can collapse on his own. You on the other hand are funny. You keep me interested. Post some more useless info. GEEK
*Oboy. Looking for my buttons now ? This could be fun. Keep looking.b : )Yup. I know about firewalls. But apparently you don't, or you would know just how ridiculous that statement is. Your firewall has absolutely no effect on any of the above facts. You are still just as roasted by your own actions, should Joe decide to take a legal route against you. Try again.How nice of you to back offa Joe. I'm sure that he is just thanking his lucky stars for the respite from your ascerbic wit. No doubt weeping tears of joy at the thought of escaping that wupping you promised him too.b -Tough guy. (Also known as Luka the GEEK.)
*That would be spelled acerbic. You dig your holes alot faster than Joe. Counselor
*LOLOoooh Ouch. I am soooo put down. I misspelled a word. I dug myself into such a deep pit with that one. I just don't know how I am ever going to crawl out of such a deep hole. Golly, maybe I should quit while I am behind. I suppose I could go back to your posts and point out all the words you misspelled. You'd probably just come back with some really creative retort about how you know who I am, and where I live, and how yer gonna 'bump' into me. C'mon, JAG, you can do better than that. Here's an idea, go ask your older sister how she, in all her 14 years of wisdom, would insult me so that I just wouldn't be able to stand it.
*Why do the homophobic straightboys think it's so cute to use "gay" and "queer" as invectives?Is that clever? Is that witty? Or just obnoxious and offensive?Me--I build stuff for a living. I own tools and use them well. I can fix cars. I'm putting myself through school. Pretentious or not, I carry my MENSA card in my wallet. I'm one hell of a good designer. I am ruggedly handsome and utterly masculine. I've been a member of my university's boxing club for over two years. And I just happen to be gay myself.I know quite well I'm not the only gay person in the building trades, so one might find it prudent to eschew such derogatory language--especially on the jobsite. You never know who you might be insulting.
*jag,Check your own spelling-it's not perfect.
*Just a Guy, I deleted some of your posts, and a few others in this thread, because they were way out of bounds. You posted a not-so-thinly veiled threat to Joe, which is absolutely not allowed here. You are no longer welcome here. Don't post again.Andy Engel
*Hey bruised boxer,You could have just ended your comments with a the first two lines and made your point.But by continuing, you'll make mine for me. My problem with with certain groups is that on one hand they don't want to be treated unfairly because of there behaviours, beliefs or physical characteristics, but at the same time they will parade them around because they have some source of pride about them that they think they need to share with others.I don't think anyone here cares any more that you are ruggedly good looking and utterly masculine any more than whether you are gay. Seems like you are trying to bust out of a stereotype that you perceive all gay men fall into. Based on your statements, it appears that you believe all gay men are effeminate, ugly, bad with tools and cars, dumb and weak.I think the topic of guys on construction sites flirting like they are homosexuals has come up here before. Maybe you should search the archives. By the way, I'm pretty buff and not too bad looking myself. I can't do all that manly stuff that you do but I'm a raving lunatic with the crochet hooks, and can make a quiche that's to die for if the mood strikes me. You might be surprise to find out that I'm a heterosexual. Is that a sausage in your pants or are you just happy to see me.What can I say, Its a slow night,Tom
*Does anyone still go to MENSA meetings ? Gosh they were boring
*Heh heh. Actually, my card expired in 1994.
*Does that mean when your card expires you then lose your mind?
*Nah, it just means that a bunch of mostly school-teachers can't use you as bragging rights anymore. But that was a darn good quip: you ever go to a meeting or two try it on ?
*Hey Andy, getting a little carried away with that button, aren't you?Look up the archieves, I have never, I repeat never, made a comment using the word gay, queer or anything of the nature to anyone. I couldn't care less about anyone's sexual orientation.I was commenting on his third paragraph. It set off my BS meter and I commented. It was the only paragraph that listed personal attributes and therefore the only paragraph that my comment to be relating to.What the hell does being homosexual have with being anything or anyone?You may have committed the most common sin of our century, knee jerk reverse discrimination.Relax a little, will ya?Gabe
*I tried to go to some MENSA meetings, but I kept getting lost. Those folks can't write directions worth a crap!Rich Beckman
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"He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you."
Friedrich W. Nietzsche