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deck framing

jackplane | Posted in Construction Techniques on August 15, 2007 10:02am

I’m building an exterior staircase of pt lumber. The deck it attaches to is out of square, about 12″ in a 36″ wide staircase(the deck is at an odd angle).

How can I attach this securely? One side needs to be framed out, cantilevered, 12″ for the staircase…

Thanks

Expert since 10 am.

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  1. jackplane | Aug 16, 2007 12:40am | #1

    rez ?

    Expert since 10 am.

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    IMERC | Aug 16, 2007 01:27am | #2

    what's yur rise and run???

    you want the top thread perpendicular to the deck???

    do you want a swept stairs??? angled???

    what is the rim joist??? 2 by or 1by???

    by building out, do mean squaring up the deck to the stairs???

    Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming

    WOW!!! What a Ride!
    Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!

    1. jackplane | Aug 16, 2007 02:32am | #4

      rise 7 1/8  run 10

      top tread would have to be cut at a diagonal, and still not cover the 12" needed to keep the stairs parallel to house- deck is offset angled from house.

      straight stairs

      rim is 2x8, as are all deck materials

      One option is to run a 2x8, as a new cantilevered deck joist, but it adds more labor to a tight bid- work is already underway.Expert since 10 am.

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        IMERC | Aug 16, 2007 02:53am | #6

        instead of adding 12" to the deck...

        cut in 12" or add 6" to one side and cut in 6" on the other side...Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming<!----><!----><!---->

        WOW!!! What a Ride!Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!

        1. Piffin | Aug 16, 2007 04:20am | #9

          Yeah, one way or the other, the deck has to be reframed by hanging an under-cantilever or letting into the overall deck to get perpendicular 

           

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      2. Piffin | Aug 16, 2007 04:18am | #8

        "adds more labor to a tight bid- work is already underway"You are saying that you BID a job that you do not know how to do, you have already started it, but you have no plans, even though this is totally atypical????!!! 

         

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        1. jackplane | Aug 16, 2007 04:45am | #10

          Save your trolling for the tavern.

          Expert since 10 am.

          Edited 8/15/2007 9:48 pm ET by jackplane

          1. Piffin | Aug 16, 2007 05:01am | #11

            Trolling?I'm not the one who started this thread. You are. Im trying to help and asking questions for clarification. I don't waste time advising on incomplete understanding. 

             

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            IMERC | Aug 16, 2007 07:16am | #13

            oh my....Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming<!----><!----><!---->

            WOW!!! What a Ride!Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!

          3. Piffin | Aug 16, 2007 08:05am | #14

            oh well, we all get testy when we underbid a job and the miracle cures are slow coming 

             

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            IMERC | Aug 16, 2007 05:41pm | #15

            or you don't get the answers you wanted or missed details bite you in the butt...

            welcome to reality..Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming<!----><!----><!---->

            WOW!!! What a Ride!Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!

        2. jackplane | Aug 16, 2007 05:18am | #12

          "trying to help"?

          you mean by saying I "bid on a job I don't know how to do"?

          Trolling doesn't have to mean starting a thread, only egging someone on for a response.

          This post is one small feature on a larger job, that I'm well equiped to design and build, which I have.

          I knew I could cantilever it, or run a 4x4 under it-just looking for the best solution, which is to let in to the existing framing and attach it there.

           

           Expert since 10 am.

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    NickNukeEm | Aug 16, 2007 01:51am | #3

    Picture?  Blueprint?  Sketch?  Something on the back of a napkin, maybe.

     

    "I am the master of my fate, I am the captain of my soul."  Invictus, by Henley.

    1. jackplane | Aug 16, 2007 02:33am | #5

      sorry i'm useless with computer graphics.Expert since 10 am.

  4. NEXTLEVEL | Aug 16, 2007 03:40am | #7

    I think I understand what you are trying to do.  You can cantilever a new joist or you set a post 12" out ( do not know how tall this is ) and frame back to the deck.  I would try the cantilever if I could.  It all depends on the load  and how tall the stairs are but I think 12" out would be okay.

    Sorry about the tight labor bid but you will have to do something to straigthen this up in order to attach the stairs.  We just had to do this on Monday to line up a deck with a pier in order to install some stairs from the deck to the pier.  I opted to set an extra post and frame back to the deck with a pie shaped line up section.  Worked well.

    James

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