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Decking direct on concrete?

RW | Posted in Construction Techniques on April 19, 2007 01:57am

Yeah well thats whats there now and I know I’m not the only one surprised that its held up for 40 years. 12×65, back of the house, with furniture, hot tub . . .

But its time, and there’s about 800sf of it, glued and a few years ago, they added tapcons to the sections that were popping loose.

But theres a challenge. There’s no way to get more space under. You cant really remove the slab and accomplish anything worthwhile.

Because of age, or desire, or just because, they do NOT want just concrete. They love the look that the old redwood boards have had. And I cant say I blame them. At one time, I bet it was real nice.

So what the heck to put there now. Composites, PITA to anchor, no ventilation, haven for mold and debris

ACQ, not if they’re walking on it. And its going to look like garbage. It wont hold 40 years, at least not without splitting and checking all over

So I’m a little interested in IPE as an option, its so resistant to , well, everything . . . could you survive 30 years with that, on some kind of rain screen, man I dunno

I’m interested in the project, but only if I can find an option that seems like it will be worth doing

 

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  1. Piffin | Apr 19, 2007 02:21am | #1

    How muh elevation available above the oncrete?

    Was the redwood two bys?

     

     

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    1. RW | Apr 19, 2007 03:15am | #2

      No elevation above the concrete. From the surface of the concrete to the top of the door threshhold you're lookin at maybe as much as inch and a half. Not a lot of wiggle room, to be sure.

      And what was there is all 1x4 redwood. Like I said, it was glued for about 35 years and held that way, then they added some judicious tapcons here and there, and we're five years past that now.

      Screwy thing is, it held up. That goes against all kinds of stuff that I think I know. Like rot, and drainage. Definately an opportunity for a "road less travelled" solution.Real trucks dont have sparkplugs

      1. ponytl | Apr 19, 2007 04:39am | #3

        i'd find some more of the glue they used from the start... and tell them to call you back in 30-40 years

      2. Piffin | Apr 19, 2007 12:55pm | #4

        I'm thinking one giant pallet of IPE` one by foursrun IPE` sleepers first for drainage, glueing and screwing them down ( use the GRK concrete screws not Tapcons) at 19" OC, then fasten the finish deck.But it is sounding like you don't even have that much elevation.Another concern is that wherever you have holes from the existing tapcons, water can get in later and cause freeze damage.Maybe you could use the Simpson epoxy for this. 

         

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        1. ColdHands | Apr 19, 2007 05:50pm | #5

          Ran into the same issue a couple of yrs ago. Gave the client a 4' x 7' "sunken entry" transition with exterior tile finish and raised the rest of the deck up on 2x4 sleepers and composite decking. Client was happy, job looks great. Job has lasted through 3 northern vermont winters with no problems.

           

        2. RW | Apr 24, 2007 09:46pm | #6

          Lookee what I found

          http://www.swiftdek.com/

          Seems like it fits the bill but - has anyone heard of them. Is it too good to be true? What do you make of that one?Real trucks dont have sparkplugs

          1. Piffin | Apr 25, 2007 12:27am | #7

            How do you clean it?Does look like it can fill the bill 

             

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