Wondering what dimensioning standard on architectural drawings you all may prefer: Face of stud to face of stud or face of finish wall to face of finish wall? My business is usually custom houses & remodels and have always drawn to finish walls assuming 1/2″ GWB & stud for interior walls and 1/2″ GWB & 1/2″ CDX & stud for exterior frame walls.
Also, while I’m at it-with masonry veneer, are you leaving a 1″ or 2″ airspace? Any difference?
Thanks.
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We like it dimensioned to stud. Saves errors in field
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Most drawings I work from for interior remodels are finished dimensions. This leaves me responsible for the appliances / builtin's fitting. For framing drawings, I'll usually see "4-1/2" dimension written which also means finish. When we framed houses I'm thinking I remember outter dim. calling for foundation/framing and then the rest as above ...."4-1/2". I would agree that about all that's necessary for a good result is Clearly Labeled plans with your desires listed. It's a bitch to add up all those little numbers and find they don't equal that one big dimension for the length of the project.Remodeling Contractor just outside the Glass City.
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it's one thing when it's omnly off by an inch but when the archy specs an eleven foot window for a ten foot wide room something's got to give.
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Several cad jockeys around the local area drawing up home plans for developers, remodels, etc, most all learned at the local community college CAD drafting program (1 year certificate).
All use 4" for wall thickness. Don't diff between finished or bare, I guess they just average the distance (and keep whole numbers as much as possible, no fractions). That's the way the guy teaches it (same guy teaches all the CAD work at the cc). Never draw in a 6" wet wall. You have to adjust when you build.
Maybe they don't know a 2x4 is really 3-1/2??
It's a damn good thing they have a good group of folks actually putting it together Pro.Remodeling Contractor just outside the Glass City.
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Stud to stud
SamT
Ditto what the others said. When you're framing walls there's no drywall on them. So why dimension to it? The 1" or so change in room dimensions make little difference to the homeowner.
While you're at it, how about putting a note on the drawing saying "All dimensions are to face of stud" or somethign like that. Makes it easier for us to read.
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i like to run two dimension lines.. one center to center ..
and one face of stud to face of stud...
Mike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Doesn't that clutter the drawing, with twice as many dimension lines?
Do it right, or do it twice.
yeah... and your point is ?
no, seriously... some things lay out better one way ( windows and doors )
some the other.. like walls..
whatever conveys the information to the layout guy is what i'm looking for...Mike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
maybe talking two diff things here. I set my wall dim lines to go stud to stud but my openning to center of openning.
Most archy who are good, ask first which I prefer for wall dims. Interior designers never dsimension to studs. Wall surface only. They don't know that studs exist..
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Interior disigners don't know about studs??
Hell, there's some out there that prefer a stiff one or two.
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I see dimensions called out both ways. As long as it's understandable, either way is o.k. .
As far as the brick goes, I ve never seen a 2" airspace called for. We typically leave about 1", which works nicely with 5/4 door and window trim. I say about because we may frame the cornice with three 2x's behind the frieze board. So, 4 1/2" minus (brick) 3 5/8" equals 7/8". Oh my god!!, the wall cavity is gonna choke! it's less than an inch!! Sometimes there's some confusion between nominal size and net size. Like an 8" wide column of brick between two windows(which ends up being 7 5/8). There's a fat caulk joint for ya.