Friend is needing to replace her 30year old dishwasher.
Looking for a recommendation from those in the know as to a brand or model.
Any advice?
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I bought one of the mid-range Bosch models from Sears. Good price, quiet, well regarded by Consumer Reports and really made a difference on utility costs. Just as good as the fancy model with the hidden controls but 30% less. One caveat - they do not have a built-in heater. The stainless steel liner retains the heat of the water & reflects back to dry the dishes. Not as fast as with a heater - best to leave them in there a while longer - but certainly cheaper to run. If you know this and work with it it's not a problem (DW does get a bit impatient at times ;-)
Looking for one myself, thinking about Bosch.
You got a model no.
Doug
Bosch SMU2042UC.
Got this 10 years ago so the above number might have changed. It was the 2nd lowest model, has a heater for the water and the drying cycle.
Middle line or higher...
Cake and pie to install..
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming
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The Bosch does have a heater, but it is only for heating the water, You are correct about the drying method, but the only things that are sometime damp are the plastic containers. The metal, glass and ceramic come out dry.
There is a plus from this feature in that it does not melt plastic items placed on the bottom rack.
I just got one and it is a great product. So quiet you can't really even hear it.
We just bought ours at Sears too. Got the Stainless steel model with the long handle on fron. Wife wanted that one just for an additional towel bar in the kitchen. Boy is it quiet. Can't count how many kitchens I have done over the years that the designer has specified Bosch. Worth the money
A person who does not need Viagra????
2003-1974, gee, ya got us beat, only 29 years out of ours replaced last year, was still going strong but seals getting a little hard - -- preventitive maintenance.
Replaced it with almost identical GE/Hotpoint bottom of the line unit (DW has no use for all the fancy buttons anyway) from bigbox for under $100. Cleans good, don't even use the pre-cycle.
Take the front door apart, add a 1" thick piece of cut to shape closed cell poly, walla', quieter than one 3 times the price! Some compacted 3-1/2 F/g insul between the DW and the counter/cabinets and it is about the quietest I've heard.
Bosch. We bought one about 5 years ago..the mid-range model (I could look up the number, but I'm sure it has changed by now). Get the one with the delayed start function...it costs a little extra, but it is sure handy.
Very quiet and very effective. We've been through Hotpoints, GE's and whoever makes Costco's. The Bosch is by far the best...stainless interior. --Ken
Whatever you get NO NOT get a GE Potscrubber. Our first one lasted 15 years, we replaced it 5 years ago with another, and it's sitting dead under the counter. It's been broke since July, but I just got around to taking it apart last Sat., the pump won't even start (but it runs) so it's in the timer/control. We've been doing dishes by hand now for months, though I swear I'll find a replacement by T-day. (Although with the kids coming home from school for Thanksgiving, they could do the dishes while I watch F-ball : )
Just ordered the Bosch intigrated one. They say its harder to install but how often you gonna install it so...
When Katrina told me how much it was I almost flipped (even with my contractor discount).
Around $900.geezzzz...I could hire a maid for a cpl a years to wash my dishes and rub my back at that price...lol
Be well
andy
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I installed a Kitchen Aid in 2000. I liked it very much. It was very quiet and cleaned fine. It was easy to install, too.
Will someone please tell that gentleman that he is on ignore, I haven't read anything he has posted for the past week, and am not about to now.
Thanks
>>Will someone please tell that gentleman that he is on ignore, I haven't read anything he has posted for the past week, and am not about to now.
He means me, of course.
Apparently he doesn't like the views I express in the Tavern, and is so caught up in having me on ignore he can't even accept a friendly observation in a "technical" thread.
It's too bad.
The key to forgiving others is to quit focusing on what they did to you, and start focusing on what God did for you. Max Lucado
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where'd ya find him?
they been looking everywhere .....
Jeff
Anyone had any experience with those sporty two drawer dishwashers? The theory sounds ok, but does it pan out and are they any good?
does it pan out
Nice pun, considering the topic. Fully intended, right? : )
I never met a tool I didn't like!
Unhappily, this isn't one of the days when I'm that quick. :(
<Anyone had any experience with those sporty two drawer <dishwashers? The theory sounds ok, but does it pan out and <are they any good?
Some comments I got from guys who sell em.
They have hoses that attach to the drawers so you can pull out the drawers. The hoses chafe and deteriorate, and then leak..About the time the warranty runs out...
A friend put them in 6 months ago and is now eatig the cost to install a regular one. Hated them - same leaking others referred to.
What consumer reports 2005 book just out says:Rankings- They top rate Bosch- top two of all dishwashers they tested for quiet , clening etc are Bosch - Bosch is best here for cleaning ability etc.. Reliability- based on 104,000 reader replys in the reader 2003 survey, based on a survey of machines purchased new from 98-03 , standardized to eliminate differences linked to age or usage, Bosh has moved down past kitchen aid to next to last (worst). Asko is worst.
20% of asko s repaired, 15% of Bosch, 6 or 7 % of whirlpool
Gee if the reliabilty is so poor I may have to get the extended warentee.
Hope the 2004 model has a better ranking cause thats the Bosch I ordered.The secret of Zen in two words is, "Not always so"!
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I honor the place in you where the entire universe resides,
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I honor the place within you where if you are in that place in you
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4 1/2 years ago, we built a house, and Mrs. 'Snort had to have a Bosch. 25 years & we'd never had a dishwasher, well, except for Mrs. 'Snort, so $700 seemed like proper atonement<G>First 3 years it ran about 10 times a year, Mrs. S was sure it would spike the power bill over the edge! We found out it had no way to turn off the dryer unless the door was opened after the wash, and that we have to wash the dishes before we wash the dishes. I think it's noisy, but my experience is only with Mrs. S grumbling about doing the danged dishes again, and she usually does that under her breath LOLNow, I'm reading here how well they clean, are we missing some technique. It would make me a hero to find out that secret<G>Anyway, we started using it more, since it's a pretty convenient dish rack, then, a couple of months ago, the regular wash button wouldn't work. I'm a carpenter, I can futz up anything, so I take it apart. All the function solenoids are in a plastic box with little plastic "fingers" that activate the solenoids when the outside buttons are pushed. You guessed it, the regular wash "finger" was snapped off.Mrs. 'S calls Bosch, & after saying that we'll have to pay a service rep that they'll happily recommend, the customer service rep ends up saying "Well, would Mercedes Benz fix something like that?"?????Next she called a bunch of service guys. They ran the gamut from downright rude, to politely suggesting it was going to cost a couple of hundred bucks. Finally, she got a guy who knew exactly what the problem was, & said he could get a used box for next to nothing, and put it in for a $65 service call. I've got a small fortune in Bosch tools, used a lot of their stuff in my cars, and always thought highly of them. So I was lttle tweaked off. Called, and finally, was reluctantly put thru to the queen rep. Made up some stuff about being a builder who recommends a lot of Bosch appliances, and I'm a little worried about their response on this breakage issue of, apparently, ####cheap part. After a stoney silence, I asked if she was still there. I thought I heard heels clicking, and then,"We'll take care of it." I asked if the was any product recall on the boxes, she told me there's never been a recall on Bosh products...whoa.Anyway, after a few more hoops, we requested the helpful guy to be the repairman, three weeks later he came out and, bing 10 min...it was working...but I'll never buy another Bosch appliance again, and I might not buy any more of their tools...jeeze, I can't believe I said that...I need a Becks<G> Don't worry, we can fix that later!
4 1/2 yrs ago is a long time ago now a daze so spose' I'll just keep my fingers crossed and get the extended warentee.The secret of Zen in two words is, "Not always so"!
When we meet, we say, Namaste'..it means..
I honor the place in you where the entire universe resides,
I honor the place in you of love, of light, of truth, of peace.
I honor the place within you where if you are in that place in you
and I am in that place in me, there is only one of us.
http://CLIFFORDRENOVATIONS.COM
<So I was lttle tweaked off. Called, and finally, was reluctantly <put thru to the queen rep. Made up some stuff about being a <builder who recommends a lot of Bosch appliances, and I'm a <little worried about their response on this breakage issue
This tack is very good, Others might keep it in mind.A year ago or so I had a year or so old $3K thermador oven/microwave that the display went t..s up. called the customer service folks in Ca and described the problem. He sez how old is it , I sez not sure, so I gave him the serial #. Sez outta warrranty. So I told him that it was sitting around for a bit till I installed, and that I built kitchens and speck'd appliances. He fell over himself to get a local guy out to fix it two days later. Local guy said it was a design flaw and they all did it. Saved a few hundred I'm sure after looking at the display unit they replaced.
So, you gonna buy another Thermador<G> Don't worry, we can fix that later!
Not a chance....The 24 year old thermador I replaced had a vent to the outside, so if you were cooking a duck (or something that smoked) all the smoke would go out the outside vent...This g d thing vents it out into the room.....gotta run the stove hood to get rid of it...Short of carving a hole in it and trying to overide a microswitch that shuts the whole thing down I'm screwed....Baahhhh.
Just to pass on some customer sevice perspective: I put on a Baldwin entrance lockset maybe 5 years ago. I'm not a big Baldwin fan, seemed over priced and finicky to install. Anyway, got a call, outside thumblatch wasn't working.I called Baldwin, they said yeah that had been a problem, they had redesigned the gizmos & would send them on out. They sent everything from a new thumb thing to a new latch. Works great.I will go with Balwin again<G> Don't worry, we can fix that later!
FWIW, when I see an old dishwasher still operating, it's usually a Kitchen Aide.
I don't know about their current models.
The key to forgiving others is to quit focusing on what they did to you, and start focusing on what God did for you. Max Lucado
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What wrudiger said. DW and I bought a nice Bosch unit from Sears - a model built with certain features only for Sears. Hidden controls, stainless interior/exterior, etc.
Having a quiet unit was paramount to me, and efficient with water was second (septic system). Shopping was made difficult due to the fact that the US based manufacturers do not list sound levels and many don't specify water comsumption. Seems the European manufacturers do.
Amazingly quiet, this thing. We often forget that it's running - until we pull the door open and get splashed. Decent job washing but long drying times so we usually run it at night and empty it in the AM - the interior is still warm.
Love it.
Dan
I looked at both Bosch and Kitchenaid - both close in price, noise rating, hidden panel and difficulty to install :) . But, I went with Kitchenaid - and will in the new house - only for the rack. I entertain often and like the ability to raise and lower the upper rack to accomodate large platters below or tall stemware above. Minor detail for some, but it works exceptionally well for my needs.
Top rack on the Bosch moves up and down as well.
Good to know...
Still - just bought my second Kitchenaid for the nebate from new house (big sale Saturday, cashback from mftr and rebate from PG&E) brought the cost to $870. And, I'm a repeat customer so they didn't even charge me until we come get it next month. Gotta love a good deal!
Bosch
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming
WOW!!! What a Ride!
We love our new Bosch.......Quiet........and the dishes have never sparkled so much.
Well worth the price..............
"Rather be a hammer than a nail"
Bob
Did you get the intigrated Bosch?
What did you pay?The secret of Zen in two words is, "Not always so"!
When we meet, we say, Namaste'..it means..
I honor the place in you where the entire universe resides,
I honor the place in you of love, of light, of truth, of peace.
I honor the place within you where if you are in that place in you
and I am in that place in me, there is only one of us.
http://CLIFFORDRENOVATIONS.COM
I payed $1872.21 and I have no Idea what integrated means?
The controls are hiden in the top of the door. Is that what you mean?
It is the all stainless model.
I'd take a picture but it is full of dirty dishes right now........hehehee"Rather be a hammer than a nail"
Bob
We bought the Bosch. It has all the bells and whistles except the hidden controls. We paid about $950.00. We bought it from the local app. store. They sell all the high end stuff and I compared each to the other and figured that the near top Bosch was the best overall. Quiet, features, water use, energy use, inexpensive stainless upgrade, and I have always liked things Bosch. That goes back to when I was a kid and the old man used Bosch spark plugs for the cars. The Akzo was a close second.
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Today she told me she wants to top out at $500 max for a dishwasher.
Guess that puts a new perspective on the recommendations, aye?
Rez, you're a handy guy. Do the bottom of the line GE/Hotpoint route for $119 or so and spend an hour putting foam in the front door and insulating the sides on installation.
Spent the other $400 on a nice weekend for the 2 of you!
Doggone Pro-Dek, $1900 in Bellevue is another $170 or so in sales tax, way past my comfort threshold for a dishwasher for just the sales tax portion.
Well, she's bought Whirlpool into the discussion several times with a certain affinity to them detected so I think that's where the final decision is leaning.
Hey, I'm just supplying the data. It's her kitchen and I have learned a few things over the years.
Are the Whirlpools still an ok manufacturer or have they gone to hell as so many of the trusted oldsters have?
With a low budget, check out the Sears Outlet (an internet check shows there is one possibly near you in a place called Franklin Mills?). The outlet stocks returns, usually for cosmetic/delivery damage, and whatever Sears sells (not just Kenmore, so you might find a Bosch). They also carry the same warranty as in the regular store.
My fridge and stove are from the outlet, both with cosmetic scratches on the sides (which you can't see b/c they're inside the cabinetry) and they were about 1/3 the regular price. 2 years later they both still run like new.
You can get good deal at a Sears outlet store.
But you want to look them over carefully.
Some things have more problems. I was looking at refigerators and it was clear that some had been WELL USED and some had food that had rotten in them. Just opening the door was enough to knock you down.
Other appeared to be damaged in delivery or even wharehouse.
Because of that and the fact that I needed to hire someone to deliver it I pasted on those.
But I would buy a DW as I can easily handle that and return if needed. But I would also look it over carefully for signs of rust and corrosion.
Food? Wow, I've never seen that before. I do agree that you have to look it over carefully (fridges in particular can get pretty beat up) but for something as simple as a stove, dryer, or dw the deals can't be beat.
A $1200 Bosch dw for $3-400 is a definite possibility -
At that price, I would consider a Maytag. Had one at out last home and no complaints, excet for a prematuure corrosion of the racks and the manufacturer quickly sent replacements, no questions asked. Origional racks werew still good to use after 8+ years. We put the replacements in when we put the house up for sale.
Get one that has a buit in water heater
We've had a maytag for many years...no complaints.
We've had a maytag for many years...no complaints.>>>>Probably because you bought it when they were good.The secret of Zen in two words is, "Not always so"!
When we meet, we say, Namaste'..it means..
I honor the place in you where the entire universe resides,
I honor the place in you of love, of light, of truth, of peace.
I honor the place within you where if you are in that place in you
and I am in that place in me, there is only one of us.
http://CLIFFORDRENOVATIONS.COM
WOW...Wow...$1900??? and I thought $900 was alot.did yours come with dishes and silveware too????lol
Look in the newest issue of FHB Kitchens & Baths.
Theres a whole article, full page on the Bosch....same one I bought... I think (it hasn't arrived yet).
It speaks about "intigrated".
Yeh, the controls are all hidden so that you can make the face look like a cabinet door or whatever.
Be seriously well washed dude...lol
andyThe secret of Zen in two words is, "Not always so"!
When we meet, we say, Namaste'..it means..
I honor the place in you where the entire universe resides,
I honor the place in you of love, of light, of truth, of peace.
I honor the place within you where if you are in that place in you
and I am in that place in me, there is only one of us.
http://CLIFFORDRENOVATIONS.COM
get one that heats its own water
Bosch at 13% repairs is near the bottom in consumer reports survey of readers dishwasher repair records, whirlpool is best at 6%
I bet parts, as with most german proucts, are very pricey
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There is also a recent move in the dw industry to move the prices upscale. good dishwashers exist at $500 or less but the manufacturers are adding dual pumps (not needed) and raising the price to $700-900.
Edited 11/13/2004 9:31 am ET by wain
There's another reason to take Consumer Reports with a grain of salt.
My Whirlpool fridge is so noisy (and has been since day 31) that we can hear it on another floor. I'll never buy another Whirlpool appliance, even if that is what the local appliance guy carries.
My Behr paint, applied by a professional, is peeling off after 3 short years. (CR Best Buy)
My Dodge Ram is going strong and I still love it after 8 years (CR Avoid).
There's another reason to take Consumer Reports with a grain of salt. "
Aimless,
Not to highjack a thread, but... I've also noticed that CR has been riding their own wave for quite some time. Not that they're always so wrong, but I do chuckle at how much trust consumers put in a lot of their "testing" and ratings.
WSJ
I can see where people disagree with their magazine articles as different characteristics are more or less important to different people.
ButTheir reliability ratings (where Bosch scored very poorly) is a reporting of what the customers tell them on the annual survey. So don't shoot the messenger (CR) best reliability was whirlpool, followed by maytag and GE hotpointFor what Bosch costs, they should be the BEST in not having to be repaired, rather than near the bottom (worst). But when sometimes products are built in a complex manner they fail more often.
Some criticisms of German cars are that they have been designed too complex, and that together with a drop in parts quality in the last 5 years results in an increase in problems.Edited 11/17/2004 7:44 am ET by wain
Edited 11/17/2004 7:46 am ET by wain
Wain,
My point was that either due to flawed sampling or some other problem, CR's reliability ratings should be taken with a grain of salt. Several of the products they recommend have failed on me, and others that they tag as unreliable have been real troopers. Whirlpool is one of those brands, along with Sony, that CR could not sell me on no matter what - they suck. My expensive new Whirlpool fridge broke down before it was even 2 months old.
Just a note, Sony has two completely different lines, a cheap consumer line sold at the big box stores (circuit city, best buy etc) and a higher end line carried at real audio stores (like Tweeter).
The higher end stuff is excellent, the consumer line is generally mediocre (good TV and DVD players, bad stereo/surround receivers).
aimless
The problem with CR is that they probably try one or two of the same product.
My appliance repair guy should know a whole lot more than CR cause thats all he does....for years...and sees what goes into the toilet on a larger scale than CR does.The secret of Zen in two words is, "Not always so"!
When we meet, we say, Namaste'..it means..
I honor the place in you where the entire universe resides,
I honor the place in you of love, of light, of truth, of peace.
I honor the place within you where if you are in that place in you
and I am in that place in me, there is only one of us.
http://CLIFFORDRENOVATIONS.COM
There's another reason to take Consumer Reports with a grain of salt.
My Whirlpool fridge is so noisy (and has been since day 31) that we can hear it on another floor. I'll never buy another Whirlpool appliance, even if that is what the local appliance guy carries.
My Behr paint, applied by a professional, is peeling off after 3 short years. (CR Best Buy)
My Dodge Ram is going strong and I still love it after 8 years (CR Avoid).
My father in law is a big CR fan but everytime (OK, maybe twice) i've followed their advice i've been disappointed w/the results. Their methodology makes lots of sense and i haven't been a big follower so my limited experience is a poor indicator but i'm kind of biased against them. For example, i'd expect CR to say Ryobi is the 'best buy' in power tools (warning, i haven't checked), but i wouldn't buy one.
Whirlpool sux....a brand new front load washer (1 1/2 yrs old) broke down and two repair guys said that its more to fix them than to buy a new one.
I'll never buy Whirlpool again!
I asked about Maytag and they both also agreed that they sux too.The secret of Zen in two words is, "Not always so"!
When we meet, we say, Namaste'..it means..
I honor the place in you where the entire universe resides,
I honor the place in you of love, of light, of truth, of peace.
I honor the place within you where if you are in that place in you
and I am in that place in me, there is only one of us.
http://CLIFFORDRENOVATIONS.COM
That's too bad about Maytag - they are about the only other makers of stackable frontload washers and dryers (full size, not apartment sized single units) that I've been able to find besides whirlpool. My old Maytag washer and dryer are going strong and I was thinking of replacing them with Maytag Neptunes when they die (or when I get tired of banging the dryer door on the water heater). Back to the drawing board.
Know anything about Miele or LG?
aimless....no but look at Fisher/Paykel. Reasonably priced and an amazing machine. Lots of people here agree with me on that and I actually saw a small article in Professional Remodeler today about it.
The thing spins so fast the clothes almost come out dry...uses hardley any water or soap and is really quiet. you can set it for how ever dirty the clothes are as well....don't know if they make stackables though....Google it.
Be well,
andyThe secret of Zen in two words is, "Not always so"!
When we meet, we say, Namaste'..it means..
I honor the place in you where the entire universe resides,
I honor the place in you of love, of light, of truth, of peace.
I honor the place within you where if you are in that place in you
and I am in that place in me, there is only one of us.
http://CLIFFORDRENOVATIONS.COM
I almost bought a Fisher/Paykel but my best friend and one customer both had problems with them. Only one half of the machine would work.
I never did ask them if they read the instructions though. The machine is designed to do half loads....................hehehee"Rather be a hammer than a nail"
Bob
Bought a new Ryland townhouse about 6 years ago. It came with GE appliances. The Potscrubber dishwasher was the most useless piece of junk I've ever seen. It was loud as heck. Any dried on food had to be washed off prior to loading in the DW. Even then, about 1/4 of the dishes came out of the DW dirty. That's not a comdemnation of all GE appliances. Ryland used the absolute cheapest GE model, I'm sure. But it turned me against GE for life.
When the DW broke after 4 years, we replaced in with a Kenmore. It wasn't the cheapest model, but it was close - about $350 I think. I admit that I bought it because it was well-rated in CR.
Anyway, the Kenmore has been great. My wife and I literally raved about it for weeks. Friends of ours bought one just like it - maybe just to shut us up - and they were very happy as well.
Now, the old Potscrubber set the bar awfully low. But the Kenmore has been really impressive and I'd recommend it to anyone in the market for a new DW. "Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government."Jon
I would like to unreccomend maytag as well, I have one, and the a tiny spring broke, and I called to get a replacement, and was told it was 40$ plus S+H. I bent my own out of 18-8 stainless wire. I also dont want to get into maytags service when things go south.... So far in 5 years I have had trouble with my maytag fridge (gasket disintegrated), washer (spring broke) and washing machine (some thingy broke that than made my wallet really light really fast!)
Jeff
My repair guy told me Maytag blows now. Isnt like it used to be.The secret of Zen in two words is, "Not always so"!
When we meet, we say, Namaste'..it means..
I honor the place in you where the entire universe resides,
I honor the place in you of love, of light, of truth, of peace.
I honor the place within you where if you are in that place in you
and I am in that place in me, there is only one of us.
http://CLIFFORDRENOVATIONS.COM
he is right. never going to get another one .... ever...
I would still accept one if they gave it to me though....
We recently switched from Kenmore to Bosch. The new one is sooooo quiet and it gets the dishes clean. Bought it at Sears for about $600. No complaints.
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I have a Bosch, it seems smaller than my old maytag. Same width, less depth (front to back)
HAve you ever read where they say to take some of your dishes with you when you buy .. well, next time I would. My bowls don't fit properly, the glasses in the upper rack fall over every time we pull the rack out, We can't fit two rows of large plates side by side (that's why I think it's not as deep.)
In other words, I am deeply disappointed by the Bosch. Waited years to be able to justify buying one, now am waiting years until the damn thing breaks, and I can buy one that accepts my dishes. However, it is quiet. The one good thing I can say for it.
however, don't know which brand that will be.
Well that's no help. You're caught with a decision too.
Personally I'm beginning to slide away from the bosch.
Late to the discussion. My 2 centavos.
My family just bought a house with a new Whirlpool DW. It is very quiet, but the spoons and such that go into that door mounted utencil rack come out dirty. Tonight we are going to 1) clean any clogged ports and 2) try pot-scrubber mode if the ports are clean.
why is this...
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming
WOW!!! What a Ride!
if a dishwasher can heat its own water (a feature on most of them except the bottom two or so models in each line) it should get the dishes clean easily - any brand.1/2 the time we do not even put in detergent.
She's going to top out a 5bills. I don't think she'll be able to get an ok bosch for that money.
agreed
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming
WOW!!! What a Ride!
Asko, am I the only one with an asko DW. SS inside. Quiet, quiet I've been in a rush a few times and opened it to put in another glass/plate whatever and got a splash of water in the face 'cause it was mid cycle and I didn't know it. I got mine - a mid range model - for ~ 600 buck 2 years ago. Detergent brand seems to make a big difference in how the china comes out, we have very hard water.