Had a rocker here yesterday to give me a quote and we got to jawin’.
HE says he likes using 5/8″ rock for various reasons but then told me of something new thats come up with archys that he’s not thrilled about.
Dbl 1/2″.
First board is put up normal then the second is only screwed in the perimeter and a 1/4″ trowel for glue in the field. Never an issue of a screw pop.
Seems awefully extreme to me not to mention expensive.
Whewwwwww.
Be well
andy
The secret of Zen in two words is, “Not always so”!
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Andy,
I think that there was some discussion a while back about glueing single layer to the studs with just a couple of screws in the field.......
Don't see why it wouldn't work. What about the ceilings though?
I sure wouldn't be thrilled about rockin' a house twice over!
Eric
Be a rocker baby
"HE says he likes using 5/8" rock for various reasons but then told me of something new thats come up with archys that he's not thrilled about.
Dbl 1/2".
First board is put up normal then the second is only screwed in the perimeter and a 1/4" trowel for glue in the field. Never an issue of a screw pop.
Seems awefully extreme to me not to mention expensive."
Andy,
I'm pretty much sold on 5/8" everywhere except for ceilings. (installation issues, and it depends where) Doubled 1/2" does sound extreme 'cept in the kitchen and master bedroom and bath. But then why not doubled 5/8" for sound damping?
Besides, my understanding is that nail pops are caused by shrinking framing. Once stabilized, ie. acclimated, why would you get nail/screw "pops".
Jon
EXCEPT CIELINGS???
Jon..if ya have 24'' spacing..ya gotta use 5/8..no questions asked.
16 on the framing go ahead..but *I* STILL use 5/8..it's flatter. and gives a longer burn rate.
My concern with double 1/2 would be load..at approx 2lbs a sq ft..it adds up. FAST.
I started out (many moons) hanging double 5/8 on steel studs..commercial and Industrial..3 tiers of scaffold, glue and screws..and notching around bar joists..making little flap doors to close up the webs in the bar joists..it sucks..horizontal first layer..vert the second..did I mention it sucks?
If sound deading is an issue..let's look else where..
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I agree but far as burn rate goes with concern.....all the peeps that worry bout' that....uhhhhh.
Do they have escape ladders?
Bet not.
I do and it costs a whole lot less than anything else other than fire extiguishers.
Be well bro
andy
dbl 1/2"......what the fu.............(maybe for ply on a floor)The secret of Zen in two words is, "Not always so"!
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I can understand it from some perspectives.
You would be suprised how much it works to deaden sound and how often lately there are complaints about sound in houses. After the place is built is the absolute worst and most expensive time to fix a sound problem.
Add in the extra fire spread help and the fewer nail pops and it begins to sound like a halfway decnt idea for high end homes.
I rarely see nail pops myself. Maybe that's partly because in these old places, we work so slow that the studs have plenty time to dry and shrink before the rock goes up.
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Problem to me seems to be window and door jambs but even more so is $$$$$$$$.
Seems totatally dopey to me and another archy ego tripping.
Screw 5/8 .......I mean forget 5/8 unless one is so woried bout' racking and even still.......wont help sound at all either in my opinion..I mean IMHOThe secret of Zen in two words is, "Not always so"!
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"Screw 5/8 .......I mean forget 5/8 unless one is so woried bout' racking and even still.......wont help sound at all either in my opinion..I mean IMHO"
Andy,
OK, I did the majority of my house in 5/8". The reason being that I installed 3/4" isocanurate board behind it as a thermal break and for added insulation. With 1/2", it's too easy to drive a screw too deep and blow out the back side, plus 1/2 gets real wavy going that route.
Out here the price of 1/2" varies anywhere from $1.50 to $10.00/sheet depending on demand. Lately, about $6.00/sheet. 5/8" is almost always $5.75 to $8.00. To me, in the grand sceam, the cost of MTRL is moot. Rocking is all labor anyway.
I'll say this much, in the next house, I doubt there will be any 1/2" anywhere unless they are giving it away (less than $2.00/sheet qualifies).
Jon
You've seen 4x8x1/2 drywall for $1.50! I've never seen that.
Jon Blakemore
Jon,
That was about 6 or 7 years ago, and a qualified answer. It was advertised at $1.99/sheet, but in the same ad had a $50.00 off any purchase of $200. coupon. It netted out to ~$1.50. I think I picked up something like 175 sheets, and sold most of them a few years later for $7.00/sheet during MKE's infamous drywall shortage.
It was Builders Square where I bought 'um, a big box that later went bankrupt, and which K-mart considered purchasing. Misery loves company.
Jon
I remember builders square...
one can hope HD has the same fate ;)
I sold drywall in 92 for 1.95 per 8 ft sheet on sale , but I never saw 1.50 either.
Tim Mooney
seems to me that if you are going to that much trouble you may as well plaster it all!!!!
Totally agree!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!The secret of Zen in two words is, "Not always so"!
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my plasterer told me about an office he was working on where on the south side it was all windows ans you could see all the drywall seams through the paint.
they got paid to take it down and redo it with plaster.
oh and storys of ceilings that take 20 plasterers a 10 hour day to skim!!!!!!!! yikes.
That rocker knows what he's talkin' about..take a look at the USG Gypsum Construction Handbook on "Lamination"..they don't even use glue but use setting compound instead. Consider yourself lucky to have met this fella! That's the way I would do my new house too..the only way..well then I'd use a setting compound on at least the first two coats and is still cheaper and probably better than plaster. He's right when he says "no pops"!
5/8th rules.
1/2 just seems cheap after running a bunch of 5/8th. I think it makes for a way better job in the long run ... definitely worth the minimal cost.
Jeff
Buck Construction, llc Pittsburgh,PA
Artistry in Carpentry
Ill agree, 5/8ths gypsum is just better. Less telegraphing, cuts cleaner and stiffer. Doesnt have that hollow feel 1/2" rock has.
I like it , but its a little extreme .
It rocks , be rocked .
Tim Mooney
Also more thermal mass.