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   MikeSmith | Jun 05, 2008 12:09am | #1

   whooooo boy... dammed if you do, and dammed if you don't

   be interesting to find out the answer to this one

   Mike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
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   McDesign | Jun 05, 2008 02:04am | #2

   How about a really strong screen with some child-proof latches.

   Forrest

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   Dogmeat12 | Jun 05, 2008 03:34am | #5

   One of the problems is that an occupant must be able to get out of the window without using any special tools. The old window was not an egress window but because this is an "extensive renovation" I have to bring bedroom windows up to code. Wonder what they do in historic homes?

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   dovetail97128 | Jun 05, 2008 02:32am | #3

   Did the old window meet modern egress code?

   If not then I would place myself at the mercy of the inspectors and ask for guidance.

   Which poison is easier for them to swallow.

   They can't get your Goat if you don't tell them where it is hidden.
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   MSA1 | Jun 05, 2008 02:58am | #4

   Thats the funniest thing i've heard in a while. I love when people that dont know how to spell "Hammer" make up the rules for using one.

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   Bowz | Jun 05, 2008 03:47am | #6

   don't have the Andersen Catalog in front of me so correct me if I'm wrong, but the TW2852 is a double hung, correct?  You may have to switch to a casement to get a smaller unit size, but still egress compliant, with the special egress hardware for casements.

   Put false grills on it if you need to match the double hung pattern in the rest of the house.

   Bowz

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   JeffinPA | Jun 05, 2008 04:19am | #7

   Funny

   I am just running into this for the 1st time.  IRC 2006, right? 

   I got my header in (2x10) set it below the double top plate and my egress 3050's or 2852's are way too close to the ground . (14-16" to the rough sill)

   I am gonna end up putting in a Microlam held tight to the rafters and have no top plate and steel gang nails I guess. 

    I recon the other option is to opt to a wider and shorter window.

   Oh, by the way Mr. and Mrs. Customer, because parents cant seem to figure out how to keep their kids from falling out windows, we have to redesign your home.

   Oh, by the way, since shingles and metal are up, we need to raise our price $5,000 so we dont loose money.

   Ok, enough of my rant.

   BTW- You could switch to a wider and shorter window that meet egress.  The TW3046 is an egress and might give you enough height.  Hopefully the header is wide enough.

    

    

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   ChicagoMike | Jun 05, 2008 04:55am | #8

   Maybe change it to a casement. Looks like this will work. CW or the CX 135.

    

   http://www.andersenwindows.com/servlet/Satellite?blobcol=urldata&blobheader=application%2FpdfContent-Disposition%3A+inline%3B+filename%3D400_C_Basic.pdf%3B&blobkey=id&blobnocache=false&blobtable=MungoBlobs&blobwhere=1200271475483&ssbinary=true

    

    

   "It is what it is."

8. 
   Jeff_Clarke | Jun 05, 2008 06:34am | #9

   Background on this FWIW is that a guy who lost a child out of a window with a low sill lobbied hard for the 24" requirement.

   On this one I would try for a variation based on the historic house / low ceilings / Catch 22 situation.

   You might find some relevant links here - http://www.iccsafe.org/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=4;t=008259 pertinent to your question.

   Jeff

   
   

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   Edited 6/4/2008 11:46 pm ET by Jeff_Clarke

9. 
   Dave45 | Jun 05, 2008 04:28pm | #10

   I can't give you a supplier, but I've seen security bar setups that have an inside release that lets them swing open in an emergency.

   A local security company may be able to help you.