I am Installing Crown down the hallway on the first floor. I have a point where the wall ends. On the other side is the stairs to go up. (Excuse the crude diagram)
STAIRS
========= wall ends here
HALLWAY
The question I have is should I end the crown by returning it into the wall in the hallway. Or should I do an outside miter corner, turn the crown the 4-1/2″ thickness of the end of the wall, and the return the crown into the 4-1/2 inch thickness of the wall?
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Hard to say, for me at least, without seeing. Any chance of snapping a digital pic?
Jake Gulick
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Yeah...Thought it was kind of hard to describe, so here is a picture to help explain the situation.
Plum
If that 4 1/2" wall is actually part of the room that has crown then I'd return it around that part, if it isnt part of the room that is being crowned then return it to the long wall.
There really is no rule to this though so do what you think looks good.
Doug
There really is no rule to this though so do what you think looks good.
Exactly.
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You need to do the double return. Yes cover the 4 1/2" end of the wall.
PLUM , I think I might wrap it around the 4 1/2" wall and return it to the third wall.
dusty
I'd return the crown on the width of the wall (4 1/2"). I think if you were to end it on the wall opposite the stairs the end of the wall would look unfinished.
The choice is yours.
If you deadend it on the stair wall, it comes short of the corner.(hold it back 1/4" from the corner).
If you turn the corner & deadend it, the 4-1/2" wall looks unfinished.
If you return it all the way around the 4-1/2" wall and deadend it into the other space, the 4-1/2" wall looks properly "crowned" but the other space will have this fragment of crown in it.
Option 1 is my choice.........JMHO
Here are a couple of options:
Around the end of wall (kinda like the bottom crown run in the first pic)
Stop before the corner (second pic--two piece return optional)
Bass,
I really like the look of the two part return- had never thought of such a way.
That return has a pleasing inverted bell shape. I didn't think of it either...I saw a pic of it here or at JLC. Always good to find new or old ways of doing things.
Maybe I'm a purist, or it was the time I spent in design school or whatever, but I like things like that to be done for a reason. If the wall has a series of 22 degree corners, then fine, but ....in this case, I personally prefer it to return on the 4.5' wall, and return short of the entire distance..say 3.75".but, that's just me.
In the end, the client has a say too, LOL.Jake Gulick
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It might depend on wall color or finish too, in addition to the other angles and elements in a room.The two part "bell return" would be nice in a room with chair rail given the same treatment, to avoid a sharp corner sticking out at hip level.You make a good point, the owner should have the final say.
Thanks for the kind comments. It is an unusual return. Homeowner didn't specifically ask for it like that. I just went out on a limb and did it. Thankfully they loved it. I do agree that sometimes simple is better. The return I posted is very busy and probably violates many basic architectural principles. BUT it is much more fun for me to do something like this than your average, everyday, 45 it straight to the wall type returns.In the end, some love it and some hate it. I love doing things a little differently, just to set myself apart from the other trim guys/hacks in my area.I do like the name "bell return" though. I think I'll stick with that.Thanks.
When I end on a 4 1/2" section of wall like that, I like my crown to wrap around into what I call a "octagon return".
The pic I attached shows what this looks like in a 4-piece application. Same look and technique though in a one piece crown application.
EDIT: Pic in following post
Edited 1/13/2008 7:35 am ET by Brady T.
Forgot to resize. Here it is again.
very nice detail...
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Brady
That detail adds a little class to the return, well done.
Doug
that is beautiful!!!!!!!!!!!!
Brady
What I like about your detail, other then the workmanship, is that its obviously a pretty fancy build up, therefor the elaborate return serves it well.
OTOH the detail that basswood showed with his two part return I don't care for because its a fairly simple crown and yet the return is not. Not criticizing bass' workmanship in any way, just a taste thing.
Doug
Bass's return is the same as the picture posted, at least the angles are the same.
22-1/2 degrees looks better than almost any 45. Handrails are another great place to use them, not such a sharp point for wall returns.
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Bass's return is the same as the picture posted,
Well yea but that aint what I said! I said that I like the crown return that Brady posted because of all the other added crown build up. Bass' didn't have all that build up therefore a simpler look and for me, just my opinion, I like the simple standard return.
I've been returning shoe, chair rail, crown and assorted other mouldings with the two piece returns for 20 years but there is a time and place for all of it. I like Bass' work and I don't object to what he did I just prefer that on a simple crown detail to keep the simple crown return.
Bradys is a little more "Victorianesque" and I like how the return looks, purely esthetics.
Doug
I meant to post that to all Doug sorry. Wasn't directed towards you.
I'm sure you've been doing it for 20 years, your pictures tell that loud and clear.
BTW, Love the pin nailer Doug. Very nice. Alot better than a Bostitch I tried out.
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Matt
I didn't take it as a diss, hell its all esthetics anyhow!
Love the pin nailer
If you ever decide to step up take a look at the next model/version up, cant think of the number right off the top of my head but they get a whole lot better.
Doug
I was looking at a Nikle (sp) before you and I agreed on yours.
It shot a 1-9/16" pin. Looked like a nice gun, Grex looked nice, Cadex looked nice. Now that I have used a Cadex I know which one to upgrade to. Woods favorite carpenter
Matt
If you like the way that Cadex shots then you'll love this one.
http://www.floydtool.com/cpb2335.htm
Floyd tools is also a good place to buy your nails from. I dont think you can go wrong with Grex, Cadex, or Nickle, all very good guns.
Doug
This is the one I was looking at
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Same price but a little bigger nailer. I think I'm sold on the Cadex's for now. Woods favorite carpenter
That is great work!
Depending upon what you are doing on the opposite wall, you might put up a korbel near the end of the long wall or on the end of the long wall and let the crown die into it; maybe even add a pilaster and plinth block beneath the korbel.