Exposed nails in the garage walls???
geoffhazel
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I noticed this today while working in the garage of the HO. They have vinyl siding, and as there is no living space over the garage, so the walls aren’t sheetrocked. And there are these long nails sticking through the exposed sheathing all over the place. Wouldn’t you think the Homebuilder might have told the siding guys to use shorter nails on the garage?
Or would that have cost extra?
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The ones in my garage are from the guys not finding the studs.
Even after repeatedly asking them to drop a chalk line if needed. I'm getting ready to insulate and rock but in the meantiime just have to be careful to not puncture myself and spring a leak.
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That's for hanging up stuff. It's a "feechur".
You would hope that more are in the studs than just in the sheathing. Maybe it was a DIY kind of deal... Other than that, hate to say it, but don't you have something more important to think about? ooops - Look who is talkin' :-) me wasting time at BT :-)
There are so many of them that is pretty obvious that they weren't shooting for the studs, they are just nailing away wherever they feel like, counting on the sheathing to hold up the vinyl.
This place is a model for how cheap to build something.
We call them "Porcupines". They are a species commonly found on the underside of roof decking and in close proximity to wall studs.
I've never seen anyone bother to mark studs nailing vinyl. If the sheathing can't support it, use thicker sheathing.
Siders I use - both vinyl and fiber cement - locate the studs by banging on the walls with their hammers and then mark stud locations with a pencil and a long level. Most, if not all of their nails go into the studs.
There are so many of them that is pretty obvious that they weren't shooting for the studs, they are just nailing away wherever they feel like, counting on the sheathing to hold up the vinyl.
You're kidding, right? I've never seen a vinyl sider "aim" for the studs, it's not needed to hold the vinyl, plus if they have used fan-fold foam, or there's building paper, or Tyvek, they can't even see the nail heads to locate the studs, even if they wanted to hit them, which isn't required.
This place is a model for how cheap to build something.
Where have you been hiding? this kind of "crap" has been being built for more than the 35 yrs. that I've been in the trades, and it was being built even before that. It's always been a source of angst for me, But alas, as long as there is a demand for housing, such as there is, then junk will be built and junk will be sold.
Geoff
ever try to hand nail siding with 1/2 inch nails? it sucks!! but they should try to hit studs.
Edited 5/5/2007 1:17 pm ET by mikeroop
You can't aim for the studs with vinyl -- you gotta put the nails centered in the slots.
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We're talking vinyl here. No need to hit the studs.
Bonus points for the ones that do.
J. D. ReynoldsHome Improvements
Well, there's one exception to the "don't need studs" rule for vinyl siding: when you have sheetrock sheathing, like one apartment project I worked on back in 1980. We found the studs by banging on the walls, it was the only way 'cuz there was black building paper over the rock.
Agreed.
J. D. ReynoldsHome Improvements
Hey Geoff,
What's this "sheetrock sheathing" you refer to? I've not heard of it, at least not as you refer to it. Was it a commercial product/job (brick and mortar type building) or was it used on wood frame construction? TIA
Geoff
Its a gypsum sheathing. Seem to run across it on a lot of 1960s ranch homes in these parts. (Southern NY)
J. D. ReynoldsHome Improvements
>What's this "sheetrock sheathing" you refer to? I've not heard of it, at least not as you refer to it. Was it a commercial product/job (brick and mortar type building) or was it used on wood frame construction? TIA
It was a 2 1/2 story apartment complex in Hermiston, Oregon. We were working on it in january 1981, quite chilly outside, but no precip. We lived in a small trailer onsite, and I think I earned the sum of $350.00 for the entire week.
And I have to confess, sometimes when trying to find studs, I'd hit the rock a bit too hard and poke a hammer-head size hole in it.
you need to hit the studs if don't want your nails to show as in the o.p.'s picture.
Yes. If my concern when installing siding is not to leave nails exposed on the interior side of the sheathing.....which in the vast amount of the time, is irrelevant.......than I can attempt to "hide" them in the studs.
But again.....we are talking about vynil siding. There is no need to catch studs during installation.
J. D. ReynoldsHome Improvements
the slots are so close together if you can't hit the studs then you should'nt be using a hammer!
Does hitting the studs make anything stronger? (Remember, this is vinyl siding.)
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