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Hi Guys.
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You don’t need the ez system.
You can do the same ez coves with 2 straight edges or boards.
YCF Dino
Edited 4/21/2006 7:58 pm ET by dinothecarpenter
Hi Guys.
Try this next time.
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You don’t need the ez system.
You can do the same ez coves with 2 straight edges or boards.
YCF Dino
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or the table saw...
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming
WOW!!! What a Ride!
Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
Is the jagged, home-made amateur look the latest fashion in interior trim?
DG/Builder
dg
You ever make cove molding on the table saw?
Sometimes you hafta cause they don't sell what your looking for down at the big box store.
I've made a mile of the stuff on the table saw and you always have to clean it up, no way around it.
Maybe your used to just installing what they sell but some of us are able to make custom stuff, that requires a little extra work on your part!
Doug
What Doug said.
I HAD to reproduce miles also, with out either a tablesaw or EZsmart. So they have invented a special tool for rough,homemade looking cove mouldings...it is called a plane. Lo and behold thousands of miles of this homemade stuff is still around and the folks that can , will match it perfectly.
Go visit Colonial Williamsburg for a lesson in human power and dedication to quality before ya bash a process.
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I used the table saw to make some raised panels a while ago. they needed the radiused edge to match the existing work (140 years old). They came out great. Sure, I had to do a lot of scraping and sanding, but I got paid to do the work instead of the local millwork place.
Go visit Colonial Williamsburg for a lesson in human power and dedication to quality before ya bash a process.
First, Sphere and Doug, relax...
Sphere, you can do anything you want without the current-technology tools. It's called a hobby, not a profession. You can bake your own bread by hand, you can make your own candles and you can whittle your own dowel rods with your pocket knife. You can even build pyramids with only hand labor and ropes.
As for actual jobs with a paying customer...you guys ever hear of something called a W&H? :)
DG/Builder
You missed my point.
Anyway, I have paying customers who do not want machine made items, or if they are machine made, I still will add the plane marks that they want, and they pay handsomely.
I just contracted for 2 endtables, two armoires, and a setting table ( think make up for a women)...all of which is reproduction work..all of which is machined and then reworked to add the craftsman touch. That ain't no hobby.
She could get the whole shebang for less than half of my price from any quality manufacturer such as Henredon,or such. But that ain't what she wants.
I'll shut up..I don't have a clue who you are, and your profile is nil, so espousing my methods is wasting both our time.
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W&H is awesome. And a 5 head Molder is awesome plus.
This is just another way to get the most out from the least.
Some times I had to duplicate only few inches of historical moldings and get paid enough to buy one W&H.
How this jobs come in my way?
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Relax guys. Enjoy your coffee.
YCF Dino
Edit: I learned " had "
And "learned" instead learn.
Edited 4/22/2006 10:49 am ET by dinothecarpenter
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Edited 4/22/2006 10:56 am ET by dinothecarpenter
Sphere --
Tell use more about a plane which cuts concave surfaces. All I see in the catalogs are ones which make flat (or convex) surfaces. Where'd you get yours? Did you build it? If so, details?
When I was young, like a lot younger say 20ish, I scoured yard sales , flea markets, antique stores for any old wood planes that still would be functional with some help.
I don't recall how many I actually have, but if you wish, I will array some for a photo op. I have a few different radius and styles of hollows and rounds in ready shape to make almost any profile imaginable.
When I worked at CWillamsburg, metal bodied planes were verboten, being as they weren't used during the era or not even made yet.
The hardest part of wooden plane gathering is getting the ones that the damm collecters want to hang on the wall and never use. Chase them away, and you can find some real sweet deals.
Gotta run for bit, I'll show ya some later today.
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I started collecting planes about 8 years ago and stopped a while back when they just got too damned expensive. The collectors-non users drove the prices out sight. I presently own the complete line of Bailey bench planes half of which are the old Bedrocks, then there are many many other types and styles that I have which would take too long to talk about.
There are a few types of hand planes that do what they are talking about here on the thread. The one type is a patternmakers plane, and they came in sets, and these are the types that it looks like you are showing in your picts. In the sets they had interchangable bodies & blades that attached to the same handles.
The other type of course is the moulding plane. Then there is the 'scrub plane' with its narrow convex blade which is used in the first step of planing stock perfectly flat...(you ain't a woodworker till you've done that by hand....you don't need to go to the gym afterwards). I have the Stanley #40. Lei Nielson still makes scrubs.
Then there is the odd looking 'core box' plane which was used by pattern makers back in the day, and it was precisely used for cutting coves. These are not that easy to find anymore because of the collectors.
You can still get all these unique items on E-Bay, but the days of the good deals are all but gone. The good deals can still be had with your everyday Bailey benchplane however. An old #5 or #6 for $20 from 1940 is a hell of a good price for a great user plane. The key to a good plane is to get a decent tool, and really tune it up. Even a new plane fresh out of the box always needs tuning & tweeking. So far, the Lei Nielson is the only one hasn't really needed that.
The wooden bodied planes are sweet to use and require a certain finesse which only comes with practice. The Japanese planes are amazing to use, especially the smoothers, and they cut all ther wood on the pull as opposed to the western push.
As you mentioned, there are people that want the 'hand planed' look, because they know that when furniture was made 150 years ago that's how they did it. Plane marks are one of the many things you look for when purchasing antiques.
Tablesaws are a great way to make cove moulding, and the moulding machines are certainly the quickest when you're looking to crank out hundreds of feet, router table...whatever. If I need to copy only 20' or so of a moulding, I'll have the thing done by hand by the time one would set up a machine or have to go back the shop.
There is no better way to get to know about the properties of wood than carving it or handplaning.
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Anyway, I have paying customers who do not want machine made items, or if they are machine made, I still will add the plane marks that they want, and they pay handsomely.
That's very nice but not the point of the thread. The OP basically said "here is a way to make your own crown on the cheap".
Your customers who pay handsomely for hand-made trim and furniture would not be impressed with the piece in the OP picture.
DG/Builder
Is the jagged, home-made amateur look the latest fashion in interior trim?
If you click on the picture...you will see that the ez cove is actually very nice and straight.
If you take this simple thought to the next step...you will find out that you can duplicate any and all cove shaped moldings with a circular saw.
Or just come up with your own unique moldings.
If you use the same technique you can use your router, drill and your circular saw and have fun making something unique instead of trying so hard to upset me before my first coffee.
Edited 4/23/2006 7:29 am ET by dinothecarpenter
Edited 4/23/2006 8:10 am ET by dinothecarpenter
It was a demo on a pc. of plywood, NOT a finished pc.
You are missing the boat.
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Thanks Sphere.
Now. Make a small ez cove with your circular saw,
Turn the wood upside down and slice your own moldings.
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I quit worrying what he says, he adds in whatever he wants. Dino's first post says "here is a way to make cove with a saw and an EZ or a couple of boards". Then Mr dgbldr says op is telling us how to make crown cheap.
yeah, it is kinda pointless. But what the hell, it beats the yard work.
I am just enjoying his persistance in the proclamation that he is a builder, but thinks trim is not to be construed as fine woodworking.
Think he copes inside corners or miters? (G)
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IMHO, anybody that can make a living roofing, building, and period furniture making shouldn't take sh!t from anybody about credentials.
What's a mitre?
ah..hopefully he sees it as good debate and not an outright pissin match. Cuz after all I have over-active bladder and WILL win (VBG)
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No no...worry not...this is good stuff. I used to fence a bit in college and this is a bit like that. feint...beat....lunge.... It's all good.
LOL.
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I needed to make some brackets, so I called the custom CNC shop...a few hundred and a week..
so I made them. Wood, glue, a table saw, a couple clamps and guide boards, some sanpaper and an hour or two. (Probably less than the time it would take to draw the drawing for the sho, drive there twice, and manage the sublet).
Some cases require non standard solutions.Jake Gulick
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Cool.
Some of us are actually capable of making our own trim, when necessary.
Some have to buy what others make.
"Citius, Altius, Fortius"
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Edited 4/23/2006 10:25 pm ET by Lateapex911
I'm getting a kick out of your dialog here!
I helped another craftsman to convert a corner mantel that had came out of a castle in England to go on a strait wall for a house in Iowa.
We had to duplicate each and every piece of moulding so that we could return it to the wall. There must have been 20-25 different profiles on that thing. We needed about 6" of each moulding.
We duplicated them all by what ever tool we could find in the shop. Most of them required some serious hand work, no way around it.
This was done for a man that was paying us well, not a hobby as you suggest.
Are you seriously suggesting that we should have gone out and got knives for a W&H to make those 6" pieces, if so your completely out of your element in this discussion.
I don't know about you but I make at least 20 custom pieces of moulding a year that require any where from 12" to 12' of the moulding. I can do most of them in less time then it'd take you to set up that W&H.
I don't think Dino was suggesting that you use the piece of ply that he coved for mouldings in your house, just showing us that the cove can be done.
Your posts on this subject, although uninformative, are fun to read.
Oh, BTW, most of the shops don't use a W&H, their more for the smaller scaled builder/woodworker/hobbyist/....., the big boys are using multimoulders, 4-head Weinigs and so forth.
You need to get out more.
Doug
Oh, BTW, most of the shops don't use a W&H, their more for the smaller scaled builder/woodworker/hobbyist/....., the big boys are using multimoulders, 4-head Weinigs and so forth.
You need to get out more.
I never suggested that the big boys do or do not use W&H. I suggested that YOU might want to consider it instead of dragging a circ sideways. Presumably you are not a "big boy" since your profile says "not employed". That would make you a hobbyist :)
You need to learn how to read.
DG/builder
Although this thread is lots of fun, and your responses are making it thus, you might want to stop digging while you still see the light of day.
OK. One coffee is bad. Two coffees ?
You like to put words in my mouth "on the cheep" and to sweep my imagination sideways.
You're trying so hard to tell us not to think, not to try new ways and methods, and to consider our trade like you do.
Homebuilding is the highest of all trades and includes all other fine trades. Fine restoration, fine remodeling, Fine woodworking, fine drywalling,fine plumping and fine ....imagination.
There is no reason for this forum to exist if we all think of our trade like you do.
My last job after 25 years in the fine trades was to rebuild my new old house.
I make all my own moldings "on the cheep", "dragging" my tools and I saved $7.000 in one day. I use a shooting board to make my own custom cabinets and saved $15.000.00 in two days.
Do you like to see pictures or an authentic restoration-remodeling with plenty of imagination and craftsmanship on the cheap?
You like to put words in my mouth "on the cheep" and to sweep my imagination sideways.
Dino, don't take this personally. With all due respect to your "imagination", I first learned about dragging a circ sideways in high school wood shop about ... many years ago. At the same time I learned about dragging a board through the drill press to mill a slot. It was all under the title "this is the wrong way to do things but in an emergency..."
Homebuilding is the highest of all trades and includes all other fine trades.
Yup, right up there with rocket science and brain surgery :) I'm all for a healthy dose of self-respect, but let's not be delusional, bud!
DG/Builder
Now you're going for my third coffee.
I make it quick and easy.
1.Go back and see the pictures. The technique is very safe.
It complies with the Dead Wood Concept.
2.WE (builders) build the houses and the hospitals for the
brain surgeons to operate, bud!
You do need a heavy dose of pride and respect for your trade.
Now, let's enjoy our coffee.
You like to put words in my mouth "on the cheep" and to sweep my imagination sideways.
The least you can do is to correct my spelling.
It's cheap and not cheep.
There are many definitions for the term "craftsman". But most come to the fact that a craftsman is someone who will produce finished work in spite of what he/she has to work with.
True craftsmen often think outside the box and use unconventional ways to achieve the end result. I don't think most of them would scoff at any trick that would get them out of a jam. I'm guessing that was Dino's point. (plus he designed and sells the guides)
If a piece of molding is needed in a hurry and that means making cove with a circ saw and sanding because that's what available, great, as long as the finished product meets the requirement. Doesn't mean if a few hundred feet are needed in two weeks he would use the same method.
Part of the irony of this discussion is that the cove molding, that can now be done on computerized equipment, is a copy of what was originally made with fairly crude wooden planes. The old timers might have considered the circ saw as a step up.
I live near the Lie Nielson company and have toured the plant and watched them make the hand planes. Everything but the blades are designed and made in-house, mostly with CNC machines. More irony?
Thanks to your "unconventional remarks" this has been a fun thread. Keep 'em coming, we'll play with ya. :)
Nice as could be. That was another point of contention about a CNC shop..minimum time at X $ per hour, set and program the machine, and of curse they mark up the materials too.
I know, I ran one in a guitar shop, we had folks that would think we'd tear down and make a cradle for to grand kid to be..wrong.
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This little project was going to cost a couple thousand and take a month or so to get. I built & installed it in a couple of days for about half price. I used stock moldings, but built a custom item.As several have already said, sometimes you just buy things, sometimes you are better off making it yourself.
Crisp!
Betcha had that painted before installation! (or the cabs...or both)Jake Gulick
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That would have been nice (pro finish), but I built it with pre-finished millwork and made sure all the miters & joints were tight. Some touch-up and putty was required.I also didn't know that I was half-price 'til after I built it. I made decent money I thought, but left money "on the table" too. That was back at the beginning of this month...I'm much wiser now. <G>
I wish Dino could invent a concave saw blade for making some quick quarter round or roundover edges...that dgbuild guy's gonna hate this story but I was all out of oak quarter round molding today and my tile guy had 1 of my routers and my other one was on the worjbench..1.5 hours away. In between checks today so no money to buy it really but had a ton of oak on site..so away we go ripping strips on the tablesaw(that I made out of a circular saw, a file cabinet on wheels, a pallet, some scrap plywood and a junction box + switch). hit it with the surform and some sandpaper and a bit later, enough rounded over oak to take care of a 10x10 room. Once it was painted it looked great.
-Ray
>>"Once it was painted it looked great.
U paint oak? I think u get points agasint your license for that. ;-)
"Let's get crack-a-lackin" --- Adam Carolla
he learned how to do that from George's GF...Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming<!----><!----><!---->
WOW!!! What a Ride!<!----><!---->
Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
that's what I was thinking, but I reread his post and saw that he said he had a lot of oak on site. Maybe it was just a case of working with what he had... Probably beat a trip to the yard...
It was kind of unique situation as the oak was all 5 ft. pieces leftover from something else..the room had tons of corners and columns that were half in the wall so the lack of long runs wasn't a problem. The oak had to be a bit wider in some spots than the quarter round they have at Lowes or the Depot anyway as the walls were insanely wavy in this place and the flooring was 4x8 sheets so I was able to rip it at 7/8ths..the only place I could have gotten it would have been about an hour drive each way and this site was downtown so parking was 35 bucks too..between my gas guzzling Bronco and the extra parking + material cost I saved some money and kept the workflow going.
Now you know you were supposed to run right down to your local CNC shop, where they would have dropped everything else and cut a few pieces of special trim for you cheap.
Right, dg?"Citius, Altius, Fortius"
Hello Heck.
dg is cool.
How about making few cabinets on site as fast as you can order them?
Few things to think about.
1.$$$$$$$ up front.
2. Custom build. Wait 6-8 weeks.
3. Wait for your money until you're done.
4. Have your own cabinet shop. (rent-electric-insurance- tools and tooling,
delivery truck,etc etc) Most of us we can't effort this overhead.
How about using your circular saw and your router and make them in a day?
I'm coming to the Fest and I will make one custom kitchen in a day.
If anyone needs a kitchen, they have to supply the plywood.
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You're Ok DG. Only 3 coffees.
Your carpenter friend
Dino
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OK, Dino. I'm going back to my corner now.
I like your ideas, wish I could make the fest to see you build a kitchen, plus we could talk about D-mix with blue and have some coffee.
"Citius, Altius, Fortius"
I was only joking.But it can be done.
I'm spending 1 hour demo and the rest - resting and drinking with Mike Smith.
Mike. Please give me a call.
I like your ideas
I don't. They come late for me. Only after I retired from the trades I' noticed how bad I was. I wasted more money that I made over the years.
Only because when you work, you don't have the time to think.
Blue is going to the Fest?
I knew you were kidding, Dino.
Only because when you work, you don't have the time to think.
I may never get time to think.
Have a great time at the fest.
I don't know if Blue is going, but, if he does, show him how to make d-mix, OK?
"Citius, Altius, Fortius"
Have to give DG his due today.
Might take heat for this but I bought some oak millwork.
Doing a ceiling in the powder room in my own house. Oak ceiling with oak trim. Started trying to make something for where I'd ordinarily put "upside down baseboard" behind the crown and just couldn't get something I was satisfied with. I have a ton of left over 3/4" thick, 4" wide select oak flooring, but I just wan't feeling it. Went out and bought milled trim.
For shame. ;-)
"Let's get crack-a-lackin" --- Adam Carolla
I may never get time to think.
Heck.
Take 5 minutes to think before you start hammering,
Believe me. That's all you need.
And have some coffee for me.
YCF Dino
that dgbuild guy's gonna hate this story, ha...Several years ago, no one around here could get maple shoe without a 6 week turnaround. I had one builder that loved maple, but could never remember to have the shoe for lockout. I found a solid surface sink bit, stuck the router in the table at a slight angle...pretty danged close...though due to the explosive nature of maple, we had to run 2x what we needed...it sure wasn't cheep or efficient, but shrapnel was flying.Did 6 or 7 houses like that, 'til the flooring contractor got wise<G> I need a dump truck, baby, to unload my head
...that dgbuild guy's gonna hate this story but...
Not at all. Just let me know next time you have 10ft oak boards laying around and no use for...:)
DG/Builder
dg
I think oak is firewood!
Paint all of it for all I care.
I have some lying around if your in the San Marcos TX area stop in, I'll even show you how to cove the stuff and make some crown moulding!
Doug
House trim isn't fine woodworking. It is housebuilding, some of it fine, some of it not so fine.
Here is some fine woodworking by Silas Kopf, the master of marquetry.
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i see that he mitred the corners on that box...he took the easy way out....i would have made that box from a single piece of wood....master of marquetry maybe...but that's it
"I hate quotations. Tell me what you know" Ralph Waldo Emerson
I guess you assummed the piece in the first photo was the finished product, right?
So you're saying if you can't buy it in a store, it shouldn't be considered?
You're outa line here.
"Citius, Altius, Fortius"
No, I'm saying if you can't buy it in a store you can 1. Have a pro shop make it for you or 2. Make it yourself with the right tools.
If you're in a hurry and can't wait for custom knives for a molder, you can ALWAYS get any custom trim cut asap at a CNC router shop.
DG/Builder
CNC shop eh?
Yeah, just popping up like dandilions out here in the Daniel Boone National Forest.
BTW, you could take a moment of your time ( being as a CNC is making your trim) and fill out your profile, helps us to help you when you need some info.
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BTW, you could take a moment of your time ( being as a CNC is making your trim) and fill out your profile, helps us to help you when you need some info.
OK, I did. My occupation has always been on my signature line. So other than geographic location, which of the items will help you help me: age, gender, birthday, astrological sign or favorite quote?
:)
DG/Builder
Location is the most important factor. some things are not available in all parts of the world.
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"No, I'm saying if you can't buy it in a store you can 1. Have a pro shop make it for you or 2. Make it yourself with the right tools."
Why do you not seem to understand that in some cases, when reproducing a small amount of moulding, these are the right tools? Why go seek out a cnc router shop when you can set up, make the cut, and scrape it smooth in half an hour, and have your 20' of perfectly matching moulding?
zak
Prolly cuz he either
(a) Can't due to lack of tools
(2) Can't due too lack of training
(III) Won't due to some limiting circumstance
(D) likes to stir up the pot here.
Back in my pipe organ building days, I loved making some really convoluted parts to match what was original before the organ was damaged, mostly they are fire salvage and half gone.
Not even technically moulding, they were ornate pediments and such..but I digress, that was not home building , it was instrument making, and the standards were much higher cuz "yes, we ARE building a church" or at least one of the most prominent parts of one.
I can relate that a homebuilder is not interested in the more refined art of serious F'n woodworking and most likely has very little knowlege or ability or the tools.
That is why I requested a profile update, so I am not talking to a concrete form setter about reverse ogee's and Dart and egg dentil work..(G)
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I didn't mention it in my previous post, but another factor is:
If I want to call myself a carpenter, I want to be able to have as many homebuilding related skills as possible. I'm sure there is a certain talent in lining up subs and scheduling drywall crews, but that's certainly not what I'm attracted to. If I can do something myself just as efficiently as bringing to a shop, I will, and I'm fairly certain it will be just as good (eventually) because I bring more care and interest to it than average.
Stirring up the pot is right- If you don't want to learn the skills, mind your own business.
zak
Exactly. I WAS a contractor, doing mostly additions and remods. and 3 new builds. I hated it. I like my focus now on the particularily difficult aspects of Arch woodworks and the interplay with roofing , I really dont even do rubber or shingles, just copper and wood shake.
Thsi lets me focus on the work with out babysitting subs and spending all day paperpushing and phone calls.
But if you call yourself a builder, you better have a handle on how its done in the real world, for each trade.
If I get crap for pulling out a hand plane or ezsmart to whip up something not available , I have been known to walk. LOL. It HAS happened. Once everyone cools off tho' I am usually back to finish.
When one cont. in particular actually helped hold a hunk of something and got the gist of it, he asked me to teach him more. some folks are like that, some ain't.
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Hey Dino, I can't view the video my connection is WAY too slow, but I meant to ask you. If you skew the saw so it is not 90* you know you can narrow the cove.
But how do you make the smart base ride at an angle? or do you only use the blade at 90* and are limited to only the diameter of the blade for the radius of the cove?
I guess a new smart base with adjustable ends is in the works?
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I guess a new smart base with adjustable ends is in the works?
Or, for smaller coves, you can adjust the rails and slide the saw on the right angle? I don't try it yet.
Different saw blades, on different angles and the possibilities are endless.
Next week I will make 12" crown moldings with a circular saw and a router.
Edited 4/23/2006 2:57 pm ET by dinothecarpenter
Edited 4/23/2006 2:58 pm ET by dinothecarpenter
I need one more saw. A Bosch 8''. Almost all my stuff coming up needs to cut deeper.
I also am going to make a few different bases just to experiment some more.
Too busy with roofing to do much in the shop, but I just sold a LOT of furniture and the weather is better to cut and plane outside ( my shop is too small) so I will send you pictures.
Keep up the good work.
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post some of those pictures of your furniture working on here, if you don't mind. . . I'd like to see, and I'm sure I'm not the only one. I keep telling myself that I'm going to sit down and go through your house thread, but I haven't found time yet.
zak
Will do. Just got a new camera so I don't steal the wifes as often.
I won't be starting for a week or so at the soonest, but y'all'll see it.
Got a date w/ a weedeater..later.
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I can relate that a homebuilder is not interested in the more refined art of serious F'n woodworking and most likely has very little knowlege or ability or the tools.
That is why I requested a profile update, so I am not talking to a concrete form setter about reverse ogee's and Dart and egg dentil work..(G)
1. This is NOT a woodworking forum. If you're looking for one click at the top right next to "Taunton Home" :)
2. The only possible choice in the list of occupations is "Construction" unless I'm not seeing the right list. So you won't know from that. But since you asked, I do custom building and remodeling. I do most trades in house including our own trim work. Most of the time we are too busy to make our own trim unless we already have the knives for the W&H.
As far as the time factor, let's get real. What was the last time you needed custom trim delivered within an hour of finding out about it?
DG/Builder
Woodworking IS a large part of building no? Cove moulding on a cabinet or crown on a frieze is pretty common...around here.
Lets get real? Believe it or not LAST week we needed some so we could free up the scaffold and boom lift. Our regular supplier had no clue. I also have a standing order for corbel blocks ( like a dentil ) that if I dont make them, will take 6 -8 weeks and cost 5x what I charge, made god knows where.
Most of my trim is 20-30 feet up, I can't have a scaffold tower in someones yard waiting for weeks, and I can't hold US up from doing our gutter.
So both of your points are ..well, pointless.
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Woodworking IS a large part of building no? Cove moulding on a cabinet or crown on a frieze is pretty common...around here
No. Woodworking is NOT part of building anymore than chandelier-making or stained glass making. It is a specialized trade that is SOMETIMES a supplier to home building. Around here, we do a lot of contemporary homes so welding, machining and metal fab are used often. But we don't consider those part of building except on our commercial work.
If you look at the headings above, Taunton apparently thinks Woodworking is separate from Homebuilding, just like Cooking, Gardening and Fiber Arts. Perhaps you could argue your point with them...:)
DG/Builder
Most of my trim is 20-30 feet up, I can't have a scaffold tower in someones yard waiting for weeks, and I can't hold US up from doing our gutter.
Your schedule must be very tight. We are usually booked for a couple of months, so when we write up a new job we note everything we need and have a couple of months to order any materials from anywhere.
DG/Builder
No it is RESTORATION work, I don't get to order materials till I see what is rotted/missing or just plain done wrong by a hack, till I tear it apart.
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I remember seeing a PBS "Woodwright" show many years ago; they were planing wide molding with a horse drawn plane. Would the modern urban carpenter pull them with his lawn tractor or his four wheeler?
Give it up boys.
Some build houses with a Brosco book and a cell phone. And others build them with blood, sweat, tools, and imagination. Apples and oranges. I'm an oranges guy myself and I'm thrilled to know I'm not alone, even if you guys do make me feel out of my league sometimes. Keep up the good work.View Image
Give it up boys.
You sound like my Dad , lol.
That boy wont listen . I did , it was just so much fun.
Tim
Give it up boys.
You sound like my Dad , lol.
My Dad also. Just reading it, and I can feel the sting on my a$$ that often followed.
On a side note, as I was typing this my phone rings, and it's my Dad. Out of the blue, and I haven't talked to him in a couple months. Weird.Doncha wish your girlfriend was hot like me?
A little robotic mule is what the 21st century hillbillies now have.
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I read the whole thing although I could care less . Shame on me I guess.
Mebbe I should not have adressed you cause its not about ya. With that said , Ill proma gate home . <G>
Ill have to say that this thread has been better than many over a span of time or at least Ive derived enjoyment.
You have done very well and have seasoned here and Im sorry I just noticed it .
Who am I to say? Just me .
You see it after a period of time but its always different but visable .
If this is what the fests were about , they could sell tickets.
Why could I care less as I confessed? Well , I think its neat when I read about picture taking , fly fishing , snow boarding , motor bikes , wimmins, kids, it just doesnt matter to me. Any of the other thousands of subjects we discuss. Its just cool that everyone does and they tell about it or teach about it . Sometimes they hit a lick or two and presto they are teaching here with out meaning to.
But actually most of the subjects even though I enjoy reading them , I dont want to, but I can enjoy it anyway cause you guys are cool dude . Yall work it out , lol.
Actually I see builders points too and they are not lost with me . He just needs some more practice here understanding we are not always here for the normal for we are free spitits above all . We provide a service here for free and free we are as long as we operate under the guidelines.
Just like now . Im taking up your time reading somthing that has not a thing to do with it . Free spirits do it cause they can and they want to and when its not fun anymore they go away like humming birds in the fall. One day they are working their butts off and the next they are hauling butt out.
Builder , hang with us dude .
Tim
Very well said young man. It's like playin' the piana or dancin' in the sunlight, you still do 'cause ya can. Hope it's a while before they come to clean out my closet.
Good take on it.
We ALL can learn something even when we think we can't. We can all unlearn something only after admitting that is was not serving us. First, you gotta be smarter than your ego.
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No it is RESTORATION work>
Hah!, I knew there was somethin' not right about you that I connected with. It's what I do too.
The sweaty palms, the furrowed brows, the little short breaths as they stand there and become weak in the knees as I pull out the old Barlow and unfold it to start my pokin'. And all I do is shake my head and say..."Hmmm, ummmm....mmmm, well ...as you can see..." (You know ya got 'em then)
Nice collection. Bet the concave blades are a b!tch to get adjusted...
Yup. Concave is hard. Basically I set the blade out "rank" or too far. Then scribe it on the flat side to the sole, remove it and grind just shy of the line and then hone to the line. If the sole stays in shape, which these do cuz they are so old, it just takes a bit of honing to keep them rocking on.
These typs don't see any where near the miles of work a flat sole plane will and generally, soon to be moulded stock is free of twisted grain and knots, so they stay sharper longer.
That concave coffin style plane on the left is a stairmakers plane for hand rails. It does other functions as well, but that is what it was intended for. I paid 10.00$ for it 20 yrs ago.
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