three, maybe four years ago someone posted some nice shots of a roof being framed directly onto a subfloor of a house. the plates were screwed to the subfloor, the rafters set, collar ties, overhang framed, sheeted, and the ridge strapped in some strategic places. the whole shootin’ match was then hoisted by a crane, after the plates were un-screwed, and set off to a patch of ground while the crew went back to bangin’ out the walls. as soon as the walls were up and braced, the roof was hoisted back up by crane and cradled nicely back onto the awaiting walls. been a while since i was on here and i wanted to see if this feller might step forward and clue me in on how he calculated the weight for getting the right size crane. i think the original thread was called “fast-framing”. thanx in advance for any info.
j. jordan
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I think I remember a FHB article where an existing roof was raised and then replaced on top of a new second floor. Maybe we're thinking the same thing..........
That's about as much help as I can offer.
Eric
I Love A Hand That Meets My Own,
With A Hold That Causes Some Sensation.
Armin did the second floor thing under a roof if I remember right
thanx man, rez got me hooked up with the article,,, now just gotta see if i can find this framer p.a. fella. take care.
http://forums.taunton.com/tp-breaktime/messages?msg=15803.1
No pics tho.
Think this might be the post but the pics didn't survive the arrival of prospero
hey- hey!!!!!!!! thats what i was lookin' for 'cept no pics',, i'm gunna see if i can get a hold of this framer p.a. gent and get some info,, thanx for the help!
j. jordan
http://www.jjordanbuilders.com
start another thread with his "name" in the title ...
I think he's still around.
not sure if it was this computer or the old one ... if this one ... I may still have FramePa's email addy.
Jeff
nope ... I lost it when we hooked up this newer model.
Edited 10/15/2004 12:56 am ET by Jeff J. Buck
i think thats why i originally thought you were the fella jeff',,,, your a framer i'm thinkin' and the p.a. thing just jogged my memory enuff to think you were the guy. i tried lookin for more post's from this framer p.a. but have not located any recent post's. this intrigued me a long time ago when i first saw the pics with the article, or thread, and i like the idea of not hauling stuff up as a trade off for faster roof framing, but in the end after thinkin' about it more i will keep on keepin' on until i run this by some of my operators in my local area. i know i'm bound to git the quizzical,,,whuuuuuhhh?????? but as allway, lookin' for quicker faster better results in this trade i figured it might be worth investigatin'. thanx for the info to everyone on here and maybe this framer p.a. fella' will surface again.
http://forums.prospero.com/tp-breaktime/messages?msg=24650.1
You're in luck.
Search found one post posted post-prospero which means he may have an active email thru his name.
Jordan, I remember that thread well, because I took issue with the economics. My position is that just because something can be done, it doesn't mean it should be. When you factor in the dual trips with an expensive crane, the actual value diminishes.
I further learned that they installed their overhangs AFTER the roof was placed. That was the one area of concern that I had which would ultimately be the deal breaker. I know from experience that I want all my overhangs completed before I start the sheathing.
The most important positive about that technique is the safety issue. Falling off a 3' roof is obviously less dangerous than falling off a 13' roof, or a 23' roof. I can't argue with that, but I will say, I make it a point of not falling off roofs, and take the proper precautions.
I have built and installed layons (reverse gables) on the ground. I can frame and sheet them in their entirety and send them up with our on site crane. We don't do all of them...it depends on the situation. We're currently involved in a round cone 18/12 and Frank might build that one on the gound. It's his call...it's in his area. I have a 32' long 18/12 attached garage roof to deal with in mine...wish me luck!
blueIf you want to read a fancy personal signature... go read someone else's post.
i'm with you on the overhangs. i run lookouts past the end rafter (barge), back to the next one inside by either dropping the end truss, or taking the bigfoot saw and making 3-1/2" deep by 1-1/2" wide knokouts on two by ten rafter stock, and bonding through to the rake subfascia. i'm pretty particular with my big butt out on the overhangs while sheathing and feeling confident that it won't sag ever, 'specially while i'm on it. i figured that much could be incorporated, but then again, i was hopin' to do some math and see if it was really worth the bother. thanx for the input, been a while since i talked with you blue, last time i heard from ya' over five years ago on this site, you were givin' blogett ,and sonny lycos i believe it was, your opinion about not being able to make a dime with help who think they are artist's,,, i share that opinion! anyway, take care and keep on keepin' on.
j. jordan
http://www.jjordanbuilders.com
I remember Blodgett getting on my case a few times....but Sonny is my hero.
The truth about most artists is that they don't make money, but it's obvious that some in here are. Personally, I just like normal, everyday homebuilding....the bread and butter stuff. I'm into fast framing, good solid carpentry and making things look good. Every time I get near one of them builders that fancies himself to be an eccentric artist...we don't get a long.
I once had a guy tell me that the siding didn't line up on both sides of the bay (a distance of 8'). He told me it was a "quarter inch high on the right side". For the life of me, I couldn't figure out how he would know that, so I asked. He replied " I shot it with a transit!".
We never did another job for him.
blueIf you want to read a fancy personal signature... go read someone else's post.
mr. lykos is my hero as well,,,, and blodgett makes my ribs hurt laffin' with the stuff him and mike smith come up with. i follow your logic as well. get it done quick clean, and efficient. i feel my work is top-notch though i try to stick with the simple stuff. regular framing, and log homes, and as little finish work as i can get away with. the anal types never seem to bother me when i'm on a foundation or framing,,, but as soon as a batch of flooring or trim arrives on the jobsite,,,, makes my back hurt just listening to details i could care less about. not that i don't take the work seriously,,, i just hate hearing what i've been knowin' for years. my uncle once told an over ecstatic homeowner that ran up to his truck with some revised blueprints early one summer day when i was a sprout,,,, "we don't need those,,,, all we need is the street address"!!!!!!!!!!
p.s. a transit???????? yup,,,, bet it was brand new and the twenty five year old builder was readin' the directions while he shot your sidin',,,,,
j.jordan
http://www.jjordanbuilders.com
I saw this done in Alberta in a residential subdivision. They built the walls with regular double top plate but allowed for a third plate which was flown in with the roof. The roofs were built out in the street (cul de sac all built at same time). The plates were laid out on the blacktop, shimmed to elevation with builder's level, then layout and trusses on top. Strapping and sheathing like usual. Pick points designed into selected trusses and then a quick lift with the crane. Then start framing the next roof in same spot.
I have done it for small architectural stuff like 'gun tower' roofs and the like. Biggest one was 12x12 but it worked like a hot damn and sure was better than hauling everything 28 ft up the tower. All that work just to cover a couple of mechanical units that are made to be in the weather anyway.
Wally
alberta canada??? i thought yall built igloos that far up???????
just messin mr. karma,,, i actually have been to mt. allison, and simon fraser years ago. i don't quite understand how folks deal with the cold up there but they don't even seem to notice it from what i remember. whats the season like up there for outside work? do ya' get longer than six months? just curious. thanx for the info.
j.jordan
http://www.jjordanbuilders.com
I don't live in Alberta but I think mostly they do live in igloos...
I was in Calgary 18 mo ago visiting friends and not far from their place was this new subdivision and they were doing the prefab roof thing there. My friend was fascinated and had taken pics over the weeks to document things. I went to look and there were two roofs in process. Made me think a lot but you need a nice flat, paved, traffic-free street outside to make it work.
I live 8 hours west of Cowtown in the Okanagan Valley area of BC. It is semi-desert in the rain shadow of the coast mountains and one of the warmest areas in Canada. We work outdoor all year; about the only guys that shut it down are stucco and ashphalt paving crews. Typical temps through Dec-Feb fluctuate very little, just a few degrees either side of freezing day and night. It is grey and dull a lot but not very cold. We get some snow but it doesn't stay long, although in the mountains around it's a different story and there is very good skiing to be had 30 min from town. Right now the fall is in full swing and we have sunny days with highs in the 70s and nights down to almost freezing. This would have to be one of the few parts of Canada where we keep going through winter.
WallyLignum est bonum.
that surprises me that yall get such a long building season. the couple of times i've been that far north, it was so cold i had to keep my truck running at the gas pump if in wanted any hope of restarting. i grew up building with an uncle in alabama where the state bird is the mosquito, and it's so hot that you appreciate winter. i now work out of north ga. where i hope in a year or two to move to a cooler climate and cut it back a notch or two. been real interested in oregon and have been scoping out the possibilities there. 'preciate the response,,, i actually talked with a crane operator down here after reading some responses, and after discussing it at length,,, i think the idea sounds good, but i know i'll start small to see how the set-up works out. thinkin' bout a garage roof with the bous room trusses have two x ten bottom cords aleady set up for a floor system, if i give it a go and it works out well, then i'll go from there.
j. jordan
http://www.jjordanbuilders.com
I wish that were true. We frame right through the winter [-30 Celcius] every winter. The last couple of years we were in Kenora, Ont. [cottage country]. There is a lot of cottage and home building out on the lake and one of the ways to get the material out there is winter roads. We're framing in Winnipeg this winter and should be going all winter long. It's not that bad. You get use to it. Snow is actually easier to work in than rain. LOL
I think we have it very good here in the Okanagan as far as construction-friendly climate goes. Although winter can be grey and cloudy for weeks at a time, we get very little precip of any kind. Once or twice a winter a polar front breaks out and temps drop to -10C or so, we just shut the site down for a couple days and go pick icewine. The cold never lasts more than a day or two. Summers can be hot but it is bone dry, less than 10% humidity some days, and it always cools down at night to 15 C or so. Although winter temps are milder in Vancouver, they get way more rain. We are pretty lucky here.
WallyLignum est bonum.