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   Guest_ | Feb 28, 1999 06:03am | #1

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   Learn how to tie an eye splice. I can't possibly tell you how here, even if I could draw pictures. You will have to have some one show you how.

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   tom_papa | Feb 28, 1999 07:02am | #2

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   thanks mike, i didn't even know there was such a thing. i guess i'm going to learn something about tying knots.

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   Guest_ | Feb 28, 1999 07:16am | #3

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   Any library or bookstore has quite a selection of illustrated books on the subject. My favorite is Clifford Ashley's Book of Knots.

   I too, would recommend a splice. But even though that may be the ticket for your application, have you considered a stopper knot? A stopper knot is made by roving the bitter end through the eye bolt and tying some kind of knot which willnot pass back through the eye. Try a "hangman's noose" with the bight (the noose) snugged tight to the knot.

   Now, permit me to ramble a bit: it seems like the art of knot tying has fallen out of favor. From truckers to sailors (both who need to know) to all the trades and skills plied by most folks, people seem to be satisfied with even a mediocre "granny" knot. Knowing the proper knot for the intended use and knowing how to tie it is very satisfying, it makes the job easier and it may save your life or property someday.

   I tie all my own knots, hitches, splices, et al, but when I try to teach how, it mostly falls on deaf ears.

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   Guest_ | Feb 28, 1999 07:17am | #4

   *Every time I get a new rope, I put an eye in one end. Basically you turn the rope back on itself, unbraid about 6-8" depending on the size of the rope and "weave" it into the rest of the rope. You may find it in a book. Once you know how it is easy. Better to get someone to show you if you can.

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   tom_papa | Feb 28, 1999 07:44am | #5

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   thank you rich, i'll head down to the bookstore tonight. there is some info on eye splicing on the internet but nothing which shows the complete process. i guess they want to sell thier books. makes sense.

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   Guest_ | Feb 28, 1999 10:15am | #6

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   The bowline and the "logger man's
   cinch" are my favorite and I use them often.

   Loosely tying one on,

   Jack : ) ()

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   Guest_ | Feb 28, 1999 12:03pm | #7

   *ADKJacque: is a "loggerman's cinch" the same as a timber hitch? It was first used to drag round tree trunks to the mill. It's used to tie off on anything round--like a spar or mast.

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   Guest_ | Feb 28, 1999 11:15pm | #8

   *Ashley's Book of Knots has to be the best knot book ever printed. It's available at Amazon.com if you can't find it at your local. The remainder of what's left when you pull the noose through is what I was taught as a Uli knot. You can tie it without making making the loop. It was developed for demolition cord. Eignt wraps equals a blasting cap. But it makes a good stopper knot as well.Dave

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   Guest_ | Feb 28, 1999 11:51pm | #9

   *Rich,I made up the "logger man's cinch"name as I can't remember what it was called when an old timer showed it tome....It's a way to bind a load of anything including logs, say on a truckbed....The tie is made by running around point to tie to, creating an untie-ableloop back up the rope to run through, creating a two to one leverage. You canreef down on the whole set up to the point of breaking your rope or even damagethat which was tied down.  Hard to explain with out pictures....If you knowthe proper name by all means let us know it....The binderhitch?Loosely tying one on,Jack : ) )(

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   Guest_ | Mar 01, 1999 12:58am | #10

   *FT. "Lost in the Woods" Grad??????????

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   Guest_ | Mar 01, 1999 05:43am | #11

   *Oh, okay. A "loggerman's cinch" is what is otherwise known as a trucker's hitch. It is composed of a loop tied in the standing part of a line, the line rove through--or around--a tie-off point, back up through the loop and tied off. This does give 2 to 1 purchase.As for tying the loop, one need not tie a "knife knot"--you know, you need a knife to "untie" it? By some sleight of hand, on is able to tie a "loop within a loop" to provide the purchase point for the hitch. As long as there is tension on the loop it will not spill, or come undone. This is the same premise for a sheepshank.Getting back to the original post, here is something I do when I want a temporary hitch on an eye, such as the eyebolts on the side of my truck. This hitch can stand in place for as long as you need it and is very easily undone. Make a bight in the standing part. Rove this through the eye. Rove the bitter end through the bight. Cinch the hitch up tight.For all you who don't know the nomenclature: make a loop down towards the end of the rope, leave some "tail". Stick the loop through the eyebolt. Stick the end of the line through the loop where it passed through the eyebolt. Take up all the slack. Work this until you have no slack anywhere in the line.I use this almost exclusively when tying a tarp down on top of a load for the dump. It is kinda' like marlinspike.

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   Guest_ | Mar 01, 1999 05:46am | #12

   *Ft. "Lost in the Woods" - 1969

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   Guest_ | Mar 01, 1999 09:11am | #13

   *Rich,Thanks for properly explaining and naming my favorite tie down method...theTrucker's hitch...and I also use the twist to make the loopmethod but had no idea how to explain it!Keep us tying us up,Jack : ) )(

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   Guest_ | Mar 01, 1999 12:37pm | #14

   *The "twist" Jack is talking about is for making the loop for the trucker's hitch. This is similiar to the cat's paw. The cat's paw is made by doubling the line on the standing part somewhere close to the bitter end. You then take a few turns around the doubled portion of the line with the bitter end. You should now have two loops, one at either side of the knot. Pass one loop through the other loop. Use this loop--the one passed through the other loop--for a purchase point.When you're done using the knot--actually a hitch--simply pass the one loop back through the other loop and pull taut the line, the twists will come out of the line by themselves. This act of making the line taut and letting the twists unravel is called "shaking out" the line.

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   Guest_ | Mar 03, 1999 07:37am | #15

   *Tom, Most libraries have sailing books w/ pictures, and a copy machine for the retainably impaired. I am am a card carrying member, just can't remember where the damn card is. BB

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   Guest_ | Mar 03, 1999 08:17am | #17

   *b You old timer you!!!!!!!Went thur in 1980. Miss the everday uses of det-cord. Would have millions of uses in everday construction. Might replace duct tape!!!!!!!!

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   tom_papa | Mar 03, 1999 08:17am | #16

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   anybody have some input on fastening rope to eyebolts, other than tying? knots would be too bulky for my application. thanks