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figuring out HIP roof line ?

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Looking to build a small shed 12×15 they want a hip roof on it where or how do I figure where the hip starts

be is it half the width or is there an other formula standard 4/12 pitch if that helps

IA Barry

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  1. Joe_Fusco_ | | #1

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    Barry,

    Purely from center lines your hip would start 7'-6" back from the front plate. This does assume that the lenght of the shed is 15' and the width is 12' feet and that you want a hip of 45°.

    The hip will always start or end at 1/2 the span of the roof back from the front plate. To find out more read this.

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    1. Mr._Pita | | #2

      *Um, OK, I'll get my head bitten off. I didn't learn from the last hip thread. :) If the angle of the hip is 45° then wouldn't half the span be 6' (going from the shorter span)? This would leave a 3' ridge with a center line located at 6' (run) from any wall plate. If Joe drew two additional 45° lines from the other corners, you'd see where they'd cross, giving wou your ridge line: Note these are 'pure' math numbers, not allowing for thickness of materials, cutting, etc...Or did I misunderstand the original question?

      1. The_Tennis_Court_Builder_...on_t | | #3

        *Pita...I'm with you....Joe's lots his fricken mind!near the stream,aj

        1. Joe_Fusco_ | | #4

          *Mr Pita,

          No reason to bite anyone's head off. I perceived Barry's question as an attacked "shed". If it is indeed a stand alone structure the graphic you show is the way to go.

          View Image © 1999-2000"He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you." Friedrich W. Nietzsche

          1. Mr._Pita | | #5

            *Ah, OK. Amazing how a different view changes things...(But, what'd the shed ever do that it needed to be attacked? ;) )

          2. Joe_Fusco_ | | #6

            *Mr Pita,

            I don't know actually. . . I'm so used to using the word "shed" in conjunction with dormer that I made the mistake of assuming he was speaking about a shed. . . dormer, go figure. If he would have said garage. . . I probably would have gotten it right, LOL.

            View Image © 1999-2000"He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you." Friedrich W. Nietzsche

          3. Ken_Drake | | #7

            *Joe,You shouldn't admit defeat so easily.A case could be made in support of your drawing.It is a hip roof with a gable end, a very common FEATURE of the "hip roofs" we frame.If it goes to the Supreme Stooge Court for a vote, I predict that you come out with the descision, 2-1, with Shemp abstaining.

          4. Joe_Fusco_ | | #8

            *Moe,

            Defeat? I think not. I just may have gotten it wrong, you know just like you so often do, but just don't admit it. I always admit when I'm wrong or misunderstood something. . . My ego isn't as big as yours, LOLWith you four in the court. . . What's that term. . . oh yeah kangaroo something or other. . .LOL

            View Image © 1999-2000"The first step towards vice is to shroud innocent actions in mystery, and whoever likes to conceal something sooner or later has reason to conceal it." Aristotle

          5. Ken_Drake | | #9

            *Four Stooges holding Kangaroo Court. Ya gotta love it.

          6. blue_eyed_devil_ | | #10

            *Whooo whooo whoooo, nyuk, nyuk nyukJoe, ya didn't get your butt whupped, and I'm disappointed. Not because your butt ain't red, but because you forgot to insult Aj!Please Joe, throw away that angermgmt link. It ain't fun no more!Baaaaaaa! Baaaaaa!Okay, now lets confuse the hell out of Barry:Barry, your shed will look nice with a wide 24" overhang on the front, and some tidy 6" overhangs on the side. To save materials and keep costs down, I'm recomending that you go with out any overhang in the rear (nobody sees it anyways.) It's a 4/12 given. How high is the 2x8 ridge, assuming that you have a four inch heel on the sides? I'm asking about actual ridge height, not theoretical. What is the front heel? rear heel? front common? sidecommon? length of ridge?If you get one answer wrong, YOU ARE A BOZO!Length of hip?Oh yeah since the shed is 12 x 15, I'm assuming the 12 is the front.How tall should the walls be to look good using the flubbernutty numbers?Remember Joe, (with his floating ridge and almost close to the pitch numbers): ONE WRONG ANSWER AND YOU ARE A BOZO!We'll let Mr Math check our figures.I'm heading to get my dual power (muddy) calculator now...curley

          7. Mike_McNally | | #11

            *Agreed, at the moment I will abstain. HOWEVER,should a critical vote be needed, I will be there.Shemp

          8. Joe_Fusco_ | | #12

            *Curly,

            My answer wasn't wrong. . . I gave the right answer to the wrong question. It's all about perception and from the looks of your post, you're still a bozo, LOL.All together now. . .heel...toe...heel...toe...heel. . . . . . .

            View Image © 1999-2000"He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you." Friedrich W. Nietzsche

          9. Mr._Pita | | #13

            *Heel to to, dosey-do, C'mon baby, let's go, Boot-scoot boogie!--Brooks & DunnOk, kids, fight nicely now...

          10. The_Tennis_Court_Builder_...on_t | | #14

            *Fusco....Quote yourself instead of invoking all the nuts of the world.near the stream,ajGet a life Fusco!

          11. Joe_Fusco_ | | #15

            *Ton-ah,

            Well, I hope you don't think that I'm going to take the advice of one of the worlds present nuts. . .You. LOL, LOLI just want you to know you bring bozo-ness to a new high. . .LOL,LOL

            View Image © 1999-2000"He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you." Friedrich W. Nietzsche

          12. blue_eyed_devil_ | | #16

            *Don't tell him to quote himself Aj! He's gonna drive his wife nuts!I will admit to quoting him though. I've been putting seminars on using his method of the floating ridge and goofy rise roof framing. I figure that if I can get the competition to use his method, I'll easily float into retirement with healthy profits because prices will be artificially high!I'm sending everyone to Joe's site!blue

          13. Ken_Drake | | #17

            *Curly,That last post should earn you a second membership into the Club.Moe

          14. blue_eyed_devil_ | | #18

            *I was hopeing for a hall of fame nomination Ken.I'm really concerned about Joe's grandma if he read's my post. I'm sure he will whack her around a few times to get out some of his frustration.Maybe I better delete it before he gets here?blue

          15. Joe_Fusco_ | | #19

            *Curly,

            I can understand why you call my techniques "goofy" you're just not used to seeing the roof go together well. I mean when you "booger/butcher" yours, 10" off is close enough for you. LOL,LOL, hahaha hehehehehe Nothing like a bozo with a smile. . . .LOL.

            View Image © 1999-2000"He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you." Friedrich W. Nietzsche

          16. blue_eyed_devil_ | | #20

            *Joe, there's nothing like a good mistake to challenge a master boogerer!And what's the deal with your elevated levels of LOLs? I liked you better when you spit vile!blue

          17. Joe_Fusco_ | | #21

            *Curly,

            Nothing like a guy who keeps committing the same ones. . .

            "This is one of the easier houses that we do. My rookie (actually over 2 yrs each now) crew has managed to get it done in about 300 hours, with a four man crew (the two rookies and two journeyman)."I intend to stand it up in 25% less time, if I have to put the studs on four foot centers!We'll see...

            Yeap, that's you. . . Master Butcher!I find you hard to like period. . . Lol, Lol, Lol.

            View Image © 1999-2000"He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you." Friedrich W. Nietzsche

          18. The_Tennis_Court_Builder_...on_t | | #22

            *Joe...I can't believe you are gonna go after blue. We are all pretty good people here I think. Brother wood butchers and all, near the stream and not close to perfect,aj (Larry)

          19. Joe_Fusco_ | | #23

            *Ton-ah,

            Go after? That's a stooge routine with your pack animal style. In fact, you stooges are the best at it.Quite frankly I'm not interested in the "type" of people you are, just in what you say to me. Now if Blue wants to call my ideas "goofy" he should make sure that he's limited in the "goofy" area himself.

            View Image © 1999-2000"He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you." Friedrich W. Nietzsche

          20. The_Tennis_Court_Builder_...on_t | | #24

            *Hey...Happy Halloween ya monster...near the stream yelling ... b BOO!aj

          21. Barry_Curtis | | #25

            *OK GUYS enough with the hip roof for a shed that's not gonna get built but thanks Joe for the book. I printed it out and put it with all my other " How is that done " note book.The CUTS emer want a shed that looks like Norms shop so I started redesinging it tonight

          22. Ken_Drake | | #26

            *Joe,I like that..A stooge routine with your pack animal style... that stirs my juices.Moe

          23. Joe_Fusco_ | | #27

            *Barry,

            Anytime and good luck.

            View Image © 1999-2000"The first step towards vice is to shroud innocent actions in mystery, and whoever likes to conceal something sooner or later has reason to conceal it." Aristotle

          24. blue_eyed_devil_ | | #28

            *Joe, thank you for the kind words. I've never been called a Master Butcher before, and I'm damn proud to hear those words. Actually, I hope you mean't Master Wood Butcher. I know some rough carpenters would be ashamed th hear that title, but I will wear it proudly.Now, I thought you might like to hear about my latest timesaving idea. I actually laughed out loud when i thought about it, and laughed even harded when I did it. It should give you some additional fuel for your derogatory comments. I sure hope so anyways.Here it is: I was finishing the shingling on the Huron House. I'm using dimenional (Certainteed 25 yr asphalt) shingles. You know, they don't have the key ways and have multiple layers that give the roof "texture" . They also have black shadow lines that attempt to give the roof an appearance of more depth from "thick" shakes. So anyways, I'm laying an cutting, just like I normally do (crooked and wavy) and then I got to an end and needed to trim 3" off . Sow what does a true boogerer do? I'm thinking "Why don't I just lap it"?I laughed, and then I LAPPED IT! It looked perfect, giving that section a little more "oomph". Then I laughed again as I thought about how many guys in here would faint at the idea.Anyways, to make a long story longer, I continued lapping all the rest of my cuts and am very pleased with my results. I might not ever cut a shingle again!Now, my question to you, my all knowing friend is this: Will this increase the longevity of my roof since some of the areas are thicker? I'll have to check with Sonny to find out how much more I need to charge for this obviously superior roof!blue

          25. Joe_Fusco_ | | #29

            *Curly,

            "It should give you some additional fuel for your derogatory comments. I sure hope so anyways."

            LOL, LOL, LOL!!!

            View Image © 1999-2000"The first step towards vice is to shroud innocent actions in mystery, and whoever likes to conceal something sooner or later has reason to conceal it." Aristotle

          26. Mike_Smith | | #30

            *blue.... you lapped it...around here it's called a ((dutch lap))and you can get away with it with the type you were laying......hell you can get away with it with most homewoners...sometimes , though, it looks like shit , and then you wish you hadn't done it....cause every time you look up... there it is...

          27. blue_eyed_devil_ | | #31

            *Bummer Mike. I thought I was getting away with something. So it actully has a name?I took a good look at it and couldn't tell that it was lapped. Often on my next course, i'd have a hard time spotting the joint, without a serious effort. I just wished I'd have thought about doing this about 50 squares ago!blue

          28. Mike_Smith | | #32

            *next time you see steve hazlet post ... ask him about it... bet they call it something there too ...

          29. blue_eyed_devil_ | | #33

            *No, Mike, you ask him. I'm afraid he'd go beserk and call me a bad name.blue

          30. Mike_Smith | | #34

            *r we talkin about the same mild-mannered steve hazlett ?...ok .. i will.. but if you see him first .. ask him and use my name...joe fusco

          31. blue_eyed_devil_ | | #35

            *Good idea Mike. If I can only figure out how to make a big logo...By the way, Joe is calling me bad names over there in the everlasting hip roof thread. I'm eleveated to master hack or soemthing...blue

          32. Joe_Fusco_ | | #36

            *Curly,

            Yeah, If I start calling you "Whack Master" that might be cause for some concern on your part. LOL.

            View Image © 1999-2000"He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you." Friedrich W. Nietzsche

          33. Joe_Fusco_ | | #37

            *Kermit,

            Yeah, It's Mr. Joe Fusco. Get it right bozo. . . LOL, LOL, LOL.

            View Image © 1999-2000 "He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you." Friedrich W. Nietzsche

          34. blue_eyed_devil_ | | #38

            *Joe, If you do call me whack master, you might actually be right about something once in your life!curly

  2. Barry_Curtis | | #39

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    Looking to build a small shed 12x15 they want a hip roof on it where or how do I figure where the hip starts

    be is it half the width or is there an other formula standard 4/12 pitch if that helps

    IA Barry

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