Thought I would start a new thread on this one:
What nobody here has mentioned or seems to realize is the guy making the money is NOT the guy doing the work. The same is true in almost any field. The people who sell the products tend to make the most money. In the building field it’s the General Contractors who sell the jobs, it’s the electician or plumber who has a crew or crews, the more risk you take, the more money you make. It’s also the size of your dream and your goals. Ask yourself when was the last time you wrote down a list of goals? When was the last time you went out and looked at stuff you couldn’t afford and tried to figure out how to afford it? Most of us pay about 1/2 our income in taxes (add them all up, not just federal, though that’s bad enough). Vote for those who want to decrease that burden, not the guys who want to give everyone more of your hard earned money. If you want just to be a carpenter or a plumber or an electrician, that’s fine, but don’t bitch about only making $20 an hour, that is what the market will bear. Be glad you”re in a country that doesn’t tell you what it is you have to do for a living, or maybe a place where you have to work 16 hours a day just to put food on the table. Ever stop and think why it is that if you’re not born in this country you have 4 times greater a chance of being a millionaire than if you are born here? America is still the shining light of the world, be grateful for what you do have, and work to make yourself better as a person, and you will be paid more.
Almost all of the wealthy people I know, and I know many, worked their way up from nothing, and are some of the kindest, most considerate people around. They tend to treat others with respect, if they didn’t, they wouldn’t be where they are. Contrary to popular belief, most do not have a high level of formal education, in fact, I believe that more surely than anything else, will keep you broke. You may be broke at a slightly higher income level, but still broke.
Pretty much everyone that has ever made it to a significant level has written a book about it. The secrets of success are only secrets because most people don’t seek the information. A couple of books I’d recommend are “The Millionaire Next Door” and “The Millionaire Mind” by Thomas Stanley. If you really want to know who the weathy are and how they thing and how they got where they are, these are excellent books. I’d also highly recommend “How to Win Friends and Influence People” by Dale Carnegie, “The Magic of Thinking Big” by David Schwartz, and “Think and Grow Rich” by Napoleon Hill. In fact, if you look at the bookshelves of the houses of wealthy people you work for, I think you’ll find the latter three books on all of them, that should be a hint.
I would highly recommend you guys learn to sell. I sell for a living now. I had a small construction company with a partner in the mid 80’s to early 90’s, and if I had known what I know now about selling, I’m sure our sales would have been 3 to 5 X what they were. I sometimes hire people to do stuff, and when I see how these guys sell, I am appalled. Almost NOBODY EVER follows up on a quote. Even the guys with good reputations whom I thought were pretty successful builders. Half the people never show up or call back to bid the job. Do yourselves a favor, follow up on all your quotes within 48 hours. I suspect the people on this board are the type that are trying to better themselves by reading FH, but you really should be working on people & sales skills. That would benefit every one of you immeasurably more in the long run. Good luck!
What nobody here has mentioned or seems to realize is the guy making the money is NOT the guy doing the work. The same is true in almost any field. The people who sell the products tend to make the most money. In the building field it’s the General Contractors who sell the jobs, it’s the electician or plumber who has a crew or crews, the more risk you take, the more money you make. It’s also the size of your dream and your goals. Ask yourself when was the last time you wrote down a list of goals? When was the last time you went out and looked at stuff you couldn’t afford and tried to figure out how to afford it? Most of us pay about 1/2 our income in taxes (add them all up, not just federal, though that’s bad enough). Vote for those who want to decrease that burden, not the guys who want to give everyone more of your hard earned money. If you want just to be a carpenter or a plumber or an electrician, that’s fine, but don’t bitch about only making $20 an hour, that is what the market will bear. Be glad you”re in a country that doesn’t tell you what it is you have to do for a living, or maybe a place where you have to work 16 hours a day just to put food on the table. Ever stop and think why it is that if you’re not born in this country you have 4 times greater a chance of being a millionaire than if you are born here? America is still the shining light of the world, be grateful for what you do have, and work to make yourself better as a person, and you will be paid more.
Almost all of the wealthy people I know, and I know many, worked their way up from nothing, and are some of the kindest, most considerate people around. They tend to treat others with respect, if they didn’t, they wouldn’t be where they are. Contrary to popular belief, most do not have a high level of formal education, in fact, I believe that more surely than anything else, will keep you broke. You may be broke at a slightly higher income level, but still broke.
Pretty much everyone that has ever made it to a significant level has written a book about it. The secrets of success are only secrets because most people don’t seek the information. A couple of books I’d recommend are “The Millionaire Next Door” and “The Millionaire Mind” by Thomas Stanley. If you really want to know who the weathy are and how they thing and how they got where they are, these are excellent books. I’d also highly recommend “How to Win Friends and Influence People” by Dale Carnegie, “The Magic of Thinking Big” by David Schwartz, and “Think and Grow Rich” by Napoleon Hill. In fact, if you look at the bookshelves of the houses of wealthy people you work for, I think you’ll find the latter three books on all of them, that should be a hint.
I would highly recommend you guys learn to sell. I sell for a living now. I had a small construction company with a partner in the mid 80’s to early 90’s, and if I had known what I know now about selling, I’m sure our sales would have been 3 to 5 X what they were. I sometimes hire people to do stuff, and when I see how these guys sell, I am appalled. Almost NOBODY EVER follows up on a quote. Even the guys with good reputations whom I thought were pretty successful builders. Half the people never show up or call back to bid the job. Do yourselves a favor, follow up on all your quotes within 48 hours. I suspect the people on this board are the type that are trying to better themselves by reading FH, but you really should be working on people & sales skills. That would benefit every one of you immeasurably more in the long run. Good luck!
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Dave, a little repetitious there. Taking a lesson from larry?
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Remodeling Contractor just outside the Glass City.
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A little something I learned back when sales paid my bills.......
sales is everything....everything in life involves a sale.
think about it....anyone here married...did ya ask the then girlfriend to marry you....guess what...you sold her something....you.
ever ask for a raise and get it...or not...again...selling yourself.
ever win and arguement.
ever do a nice little project for a customer that you got along with real well....then had one of their friends call you for some work......you sold yourself...then they sold their frends on you.
ever make a new friend.....and the list goes on.
learn how to sell well and live life on your own terms.
sometimes it's you...sometimes it's the "product"...but something somewhere made the sale. Jeff
.......Sometimes on the toll road of life.....a handful of change is good.......
Another side of the coin.
Even on a modest income, you too can be relatively wealthy if you can school yourself to REFUSE the sales pitches of others.
-- and old coot who drives a 32 YO Datsun <G>, built own house, and is consumate DIY except Dental filling etc. and major medical surgery.
BTW Phill, did "old coot" or even "circuit" come from Sir Coot of the 1st Carnac war? (another thread)
Junkhound- you are the man and glad to call you mentor.Half of good living is staying out of bad situations.
Forget the primal scream, just Roar!
some thoughts;
Nothing happens until somebody sells something.
When the man with money meets the man with experience, the man with the experience gets the money and the man with money gets the experience...
Cheers, david
Art, wondering where you separate "Major" from "Minor" surgery? Just curious.........Joe H
Doubt it: "circuit", a French term I believe, comes from the route a travelling clergyman used to follow in serving his various parish churces; later used to describe the various venues covered by a travelling judge - both predate India campaign. A coot is a bird in the rail family known for its slow movements and has been used to describe someone old and slow for centuries..
Phill Giles
The Unionville Woodwright
Unionville, Ontario
Jeff,
Your response made me reflect for a moment, which I suppose was its point.
When I do have free time on weekends, holidays, etc, I usually spend most of it working with family and friends to construct houses/ cottages/ saunas etc. Develop the design, prepare working drawings and the permit submission, and then we all share in the construction, everyone doing what they can, when they can. The owner pays materials, fees, rentals, necessary subs, and provides most of the food and refreshments. Pot-luck fills out the rest.
This weekend past I worked on one such project, which I will probably be returning to (work permitting) until snow makes the trip impractical.
I suppose you could argue that I do it for the chance to get some exercise in the great outdoors (usually the magnificent bush of northern Ontario) when most of my working days are spent in the office or at site meetings.
Part of the reward is, I suppose, being involved in an effort to make something beautiful.
Looking back on last weekend, though, I am left more with the feeling that I was building something with a community than selling anyone anything. Something more important than the building itself.
I'm not sure I would still have this feeling had I been intentionally selling something.
Perhaps, but I'm not sure.
Your selling good will and the payback is that your helping to build a community that will want to do the right things for people when they need it.
CONGRATULATIONS
ANDYSZ2