Hello All,
Let me know what you think of this veneer. Keep in mind that it is still very wet and will eventually all turn the light grey color (it rained like crazy yesterday). Its square and rectangular pattern with some ashlar. Each individual stone has been split and cut on site. Feedback please.
The CM
Paramount Residential Construction Management
Newtown, Connecticut
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Sorry about the size of the photo, I'll size down the next one.
The CM
Paramount Residential Construction Management
Newtown, Connecticut
You can shrink the pic using Irfan, a free download. I have heard you can also shrink it with Windows Explorer, but I don't know how. That one's too big for me to open.
"When asked if you can do something, tell'em "Why certainly I can", then get busy and find a way to do it." T. Roosevelt
Ed
Here it is, I lightened it up just a tad.
Doug
Looks nice.
Is it customary to apply the stone veneer before the house is framed up?
"When asked if you can do something, tell'em "Why certainly I can", then get busy and find a way to do it." T. Roosevelt
Fasteddie,
I prefer to give the mason the room to work. They have three k-saws going all day and the stone dust gets everywhere. Also, I find that depending on the type and cut of the stone, the veneer will range in depth between four and five inches. If we had set the framing before the stonework, the face of the stone might have protruded out past the face of the framing. This way, when we frame, the reveal can be regulated (about a half inch overhang). I also have to cantilever the floor joists over the stonework because the building department will not allow me to transfer any weight to the veneer.
The CM
Paramount Residential Construction Management
Connecticut
Really nice looking work! Greetings from a former Newtowner, my Dad still lives there. Matter of fact, he just had veneer put on his foundation... did you do a job on Appleblossom Lane a few months ago?
PaulB
Hey Paul,
Thanks.
Sorry, but I have not worked on Appleblossom.
The CM
Paramount Residential Construction Management
Connecticut
Edited 1/13/2006 8:34 am ET by the cm
CM,
Great lookin work! I do have two q's if you don't mind. When you cantilever the joists over the stone, how are you going to seal that portion of the joist bay that's hanging over the stone? Also, will there be a gap the thickness of the 2x sill plate that's sitting on the foiundation wall that will need to be dealt with somehow?
Thanks.
lekpeter
Lekpeter,
The foundation wall is 12" thick with a 4" stone shelf (veneer is actually about 5"). I use a double 2x10 pressure treated sill flush with the face of the stone and the rim joists sit flush with the outer edge of the sill. The floor joists are bearing on the concrete rather than the veneer. Not a "real" cantilever, but a bearing reposition.
The CM
That's hot looking work. Wish I had me some.
I'm confused about the mudsill application. At first it sounded like the sill was on top of the concrete, flush with the BACK of the stone veneer, but from your last post I'm not sure. I was imagining a cantilever of the joists that would create a 4-5" overhang and a 'hollow' space above the veneer between the joists. Any chance of a quick section drawing?
Imagine a normal situation. The sill (say 2 2x6 p.t.) would line up with the exterior face of the foundation, the outside face of the rimjoist is aligned with the outside edge of the sills, and the outside face of the studs aligns as well. in that instance, the full 5 1/2" of teh p.t. sill is on the foundation. In this case, take the sills and make them 2x10. Now slide that outside face of the sills 5" beyond the face of the foundation wall. Your sills are now giving you a nice 5" overhang and the other 4 1/4" are still over the actual foundation. If you now line up the rimjoist and your exterior wall with the outside face of teh sills, you have effectively cantilevered the outside walls of the house 5" beyond the face of the wallAnd the stud bays are sealed on the bottom by the 2 pt sill plates.At least, thats what I think is happening.I like this detail, it will make for a very authentic looking stone foundation.Question - are the floor joists dimensional lumber or engineered I joists?
Edited 2/9/2006 4:14 pm ET by xosder11
Gotcha. That works if it's joists directly on sill... except what happens when you turn the corner to the wall parallel to the joists? Change direction and frame that edge of the floor with shorty joists?
Hmmm. I know, that occurred to me later as well. So I'm thinking that if you run shorty joists, and then put your exterior wall out there...hmmm. The short ones would hinge over the edge of the foundation and want to lift up on teh other end right? I wonder what the first floor frame looks like. CM what can you tell us?"I'm your huckleberry"
Maybe double that last long joist and use upside down joist hangers? Or maybe the stone's only on the front of the house.
The joists in this house actually run side to side (parallel to the front). I came back about ten feet in from the front wall and ran "shorty joists" (perpendicular) along the entire front elevation. The parallel joists are 14" TJI 560 series and the rim joists and "shorties" are 14" LVL stock that eliminates the added blocking and the crush factor.
The CM
Edited 2/9/2006 11:12 pm ET by the cm
Looking nice! Thanks for the pic. A picture says it all sometimes. Looks like a very substantial floor frame. No bouncy floors on that house."I'm your huckleberry"
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Thanks
The CM
Your welcome
Took me a while to get that picture thing down.Just follow the advise of these guys and you'll be a pro picture poster in no time.Like they told me download Irfanview
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Real nice work
Rick Sheehan
Gorgeous!
Wow!
Nice Work!
Got a drawing of what's going on top of it?
I like the mortarless look, but have heard that in freeze/thaw climates that the water can get behind and pop 'em off. I hope to do something similar on our exposed foundation, but with sandstone.
Its actually got half to three quarter inch mortar joints laid back half an inch for a dry look. The stone depth is about five inches.
I will try to size down the architectural rendering and transfer it to the discussion.
The CM
Paramount Residential Construction Management
Newtown, Connecticut
Edited 1/12/2006 7:30 pm ET by the cm
Edited 1/12/2006 9:50 pm ET by the cm
That looks great.
How many square feet of wall did you cover and how long did it take?
My parents house could really use something like that where the elevation drops severely and exposes a few feet of foundation.
Thanks.
When its done, it will cover approximately seven hundred square feet. As of today he has four days on the site and I would estimate another four or five to finish, using between five to seven men per day. This does not include five days fabrication time at his shop, facing and cutting the raw stone (using a 150 ton guillotine) and its delivery to the site.
The CM
Paramount Residential Construction Management
Connecticut
Edited 1/12/2006 9:50 pm ET by the cm
I love it. Seriously, with the right house on it, I think it could be stunning.
Thank you.
The house being built over it is a Rick Moisan designed reproduction southern colonial "plantation style" residence with approximately eight thousand square feet of heated living space on three floors (not counting the storage area above a five bay garage). I will be putting more photos on as the job progresses.
That's a great bosox insignia, I grew up in Marlboro, Mass. Too bad about Johnny.
The CM
Paramount Residential Construction Management
Connecticut
Edited 1/12/2006 9:53 pm ET by the cm
Hello CM'
What beautful stone work! You have to admire those who work in this medium, such as our fore fathers! I was taken on a ride through Attlebouro, Mass. a few months ago and was shown stone railroad bridges that were built in the early 1850's for the eastern railroad, that are still in use today, carring loads many more times heaver that what they were orginally designed for, yet our overpasses are now being rebuilt, after only 30 years of service! The Itialians, Romans, built stone bridges in Europe before Christ, and they are still in use today! Where are we going?...........Pop
Pop,
My mason thanks you. It looks much better when its dry. We also have really old stone railroad bridges around here and as a matter of fact thats where my client picked the pattern from.
Do you live near Attleboro? I grew up in Marlboro.
The CM
Hello CM
Warm enough? I bought my first cowboy boots, Fry boots that is, in Marlboro! Is the factory still making boots? I live in Rhode Island.............Pop
Hey Pop,
I remember my Fry boots too, everybody had a pair. Haven't been to Marlboro in a long while. There were 15,000 people there when I grew up, now theres over 100,000. I don't even recognize the place anymore when I visit.
Love Rhode Island, we vacation near misquamicut every summer. I'm headed up to Newport for our anniversary in late April. Beautiful State. Unbelievable beaches.
The CM
Where do you hang you hat now CM? Yes, Misquamicut Beach, I have had many a good time there also, back in the 60's! I had a friend who's folks had a summer home in Watch Hill, M O N E Y !! and good looking gals. There were two night clubs, the Blue Sands, and the The Neptune's! Your probably much younger than myself. Like Marlbouo, Misquamicut and myself, we are all diffrent now...................Pop
Pop,
I'm located in Newtown, CT.
The CM
How's the house coming? Seemed like it was going to be a dynamite home."Oh, this is the worst-looking hat I ever saw. What, when you buy a hat like this I bet you get a free bowl of soup, huh? Oh, it looks good on you though."
Slowly but surely coming along. Its about 60% framed, the guys have about four weeks into it and another three to go. You can go to my website and look at progress pics. From the index page go to "project currently under construction" photo gallery. I don't have the latest photos from this week in there yet. Thanks for the interest in my project.
The CM
Caught that website this morning, looks good! "Oh, this is the worst-looking hat I ever saw. What, when you buy a hat like this I bet you get a free bowl of soup, huh? Oh, it looks good on you though."
Wow what a project.
I think I'll call it Cadillac construction, only cause I like the sound of it. But in fact it's more like Ferrari or Rolls construction.
I hope it's Ok to show the site address?http://www.paramountresidential.net/Framing%2027.jpg
Also this picture solves a couple of earlier questions on the alignment of sill/face and stone.
Nice work -Drool Drool got a go get a towel, I'm slobberin all over just looking.
Thank you for the compliment. I hope you got to see all the photos in the gallery for that job. I'm putting a couple more up tonight. The guys were dropping rafters all week. I can't believe how nice the weather is. 70 yesterday, 65 today, crazy.
The CM
CM, I feel like the short kid that can't see the babe on the other side of the fence.
Resize and repost the photo please.
thanks
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She's really hot.
Thanks man, she's gone now............missed her...........dam.A great place for Information, Comraderie, and a sucker punch.
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Bluemoose,
Thank you for resizing the photo. How did you do that?
The CM
Paramount Residential Construction Management
Connecticut
Edited 1/13/2006 7:50 am ET by the cm
Through Breaktime, I found out about a free program called Irfanview.http://www.irfanview.comOnce you've opened your photo in Irfanview, go to Image, then Resize/Resample. I usually choose 800x600. Save it as a .jpg and you're done.
When you re-size the pic with Irfan be sure to do a "save as" and use a different name. Once you shrink the pic, you can't go back.
"When asked if you can do something, tell'em "Why certainly I can", then get busy and find a way to do it." T. Roosevelt
Bluemoose,
Thanks for the information.
The CM
Paramount Residential Construction Management
Connecticut
Edited 1/13/2006 8:34 am ET by the cm
Nice work- I like the stone and the pattern.
We will be building a house in Winchester Center this year and will need some veneer work done. What kind of $$ are we talking about per SF?
Would you be interested in bidding?
Thanks,
Doug
Doug,
This application ran about $45. per square foot (face foot) and $100 per lineal foot of corner over 4" in height. I had about 650 SF and it was $30K for material and labor. My mason is out of Bethel and works mostly in southern Fairfield County. He rarely travels out of a 20 mile radius. Where is Winchester anyway?
The CM
Just south of Norfolk- in the northwest hills.
Thanks for the info. Great job.
Doug
Another question I have. what is the detail for any walls that are running parallel to the framing? Do you header off the joists and change the direction of the framing? Can you explain a little.
I'll say it again; I love the way that looks. Beautiful work. I hate exposed concrete with a passion.
Try this out
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uh, oh .. have we created a monster ?...
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