Customer wants a small bay window installed into a blank wall where there currently is no window. Access is good… flat lot, low floor height, drive right up to it and start. Remove plywood panel siding and frame per Marvin’s specs for a 30-degree bay window with a RO of about 6′ x 4′. Diagonally supported underneath, three-facet hip roof above. The window unit projects less than a foot.
The siding will come off in a hot minute. All the material is onsite. How many hours of framing until you have the bay framed and sheathed, the diagonal support in, the roof (with it’s tiny rafters) framed and sheathed, flashing in place and the window nailed in?
Lemme hear a few and I’ll tell ya’ what I came up with. Haven’t done a piece of framing like this in about… 11 years… maybe more.
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Any wiring or plumbing?
structural header...
temp bracing / shoring???
Edited 5/13/2005 11:51 pm ET by IMERC
1 big or 2 small days. Say 12 hours 1 carp, 1 apprentice/helper.
Dinosaur
A day may come when the courage of men fails,when we forsake our friends and break all bonds of fellowship...
But it is not this day.
Since ya don't make money on half a day, I say two decent days. I carp, one helper. Window set and flashed by day 1, day 2 apply last bit of siding & clean.
Well, framing might stretch a bit, also allow time for trim inside. Changed my mind: 2 full days for me and a good helper. Quality, Craftsmanship, Detail
3 days LS&T...
set up, tear down and sanitize..
Not really structural... it's a gable end and the roof is trussed, so no real load on the wall. I was thinking 4x6.
What's LS&T?
No wiring. I mean, there might be but that would be my electrician and I'm mainly looking for a reality check on the carpentry time.
I was wonder if you had to do a temp hold the place up to cut and frame...
LS&T.. Lock - Stock & Barrel...
frame, reside, DW, trim and the rest of the whole 9 yards..
WTB that there is elec..
Edited 5/14/2005 1:10 am ET by IMERC
I did that but it was on the second floor needed scaffolding. I was a little surprised how much time the roof framing/sheathing/shingles/ finishing took. I would say about 32 hours labor finishing both inside and out.
I'm subbing window installs lately and have done a couple of these or similar. Two full days for myself and helper. Thats roofing on, drywall patched and trimmed out.
We banged the first one out in a day. It was straightforward, no complications but I decided not to work that hard on the next one.
Tom
5 days with myself and I helping me.
Sounds like there's some agreement here.
I came up with a total of 45 hours, start to finish, including some time to protect the area (a little scaffolding over some shrubs, tarp the landscape, etc.), time to order the window, pick up materials, do the demo and haul it to the transfer station, frame, reside, roof, trim interior and exterior (simple 1x4 type stuff), do a little drywall patching, and clean up. Total of actual trade hours (tools in hand) is 33. No time included for the sales process, which is overhead in my scheme of things.
Same wall, flat window, brings the whole job down to 32 hours, 20 of which are hands on.
With some luck, this one will include two windows, a skylight, and some other remodeling that totals about 6 weeks... make a mess in every room.
Good luck. Post some pics so we can all see how well we pictured it, when ya get a chance.Quality, Craftsmanship, Detail
Hi David.
Me and a helper, and window is delivered to me on site....job takes 7 hours to remove siding, wall, frame and install window , flash and reinstall siding, roof, etc...equals 14 man hours.
To trim out interior, 1-1/2 hours to buy trim and paint it ( would do this at end of first day and let dry overnight). Forty-five minutes to go to landfill and dispose of old demoed materials. About 1 to 2 hours to trim out interior....= approx 4 hours my time only.
Total man hours not including intial inspection and bid quote......18 man hours.
Davo
If I had to install a "hey the 80's called and they want their window back" it would take at least a week. I would think about structural cables for support though.
-zen
13 minutes.
Yer too slow ...
but U still don't charge enough.
I learned all this from read thru this site. Applies to any and all construction related questions. Plus ... U should have had a lawyer review that contract first ...
Jeff
I would quote the job for 3 days work but in reality it would probably take 2. The extra day would cover the unforseen like a major wiring run in the wall or termite damage, even bad weather.