How many trips to a big-box home center does it take to finish your weekend project?
- One — I’m incredibly organized
- Two to five — I always forget a few things
- Six to ten — Help! They know me by credit-card number
- Zero — I’m smart, I send a helper
You will not be able to change your vote.
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zero, I call the real yard and haveit all delivered.
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I'm with Piffin..... I try to avoid those places and use real lumber yards and suppliers.Gary W
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Boy oh boy.... you guys really are steering this ship towards the DIY crowd, huh? What's next? Change the banner to Orange?
I hope you guys don't forget which side your bread is buttered on.
Having a bad day? The lady was just asking a question. You run by Lowes in the middle of the weekday and there's no shortage of contractor trucks & vans in the parking lot. Not all the pros use lumberyards and such. And I suppose a few of 'em might even work on the weekend ;)
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Edited 2/26/2007 5:48 pm by JohnT8
John, go back and read the question ... she said "weekend project". I have to9 agree this time, the question is aimed squarely at the DIY crowd. Poor choice of a question."Put your creed in your deed." Emerson
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So is she only allowed to aim questions at the professional carpenters?
jt8
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Don't take it personal John. Want a tissue?View Image
Don't take it personal John. Want a tissue?
You're the one with your panties in a wad, not me. If you'll notice, I included a smiley with my original reply to you.
jt8
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I had a great day John, thanks for asking. Does commenting on a poll question constitute blasphemy or something? Maybe I missed the memo.
That's a question I'd expect to see posed in the This Old House forum.
Any contractor worth his salt knows that unnecessary multiple trips anywhere are a good sign that you didn't make any money that day. View Image
Does commenting on a poll question constitute blasphemy or something? Maybe I missed the memo.
Blasphemy, no. I'm just continually amazed that no matter what question gets asked in these polls, there are always a bunch of people complaining about the question. They could ask, "which of these 4 colors do you like best" and someone will complain that they didn't include fuschia amoung the 4. Or that they only provided 4.
But if you're saying that it seems like the content has been getting watered down the last few years, then I'd agree with you. That there seems to be less meat in the magazine, then I'd agree with you.jt8
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I'm sorry, that wasn't one of the choices, you'll have to select "lagoon"jt8
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Relax man. Yes, I'm stating that I think the content has been continuously watered down. And yes I think their focus has shifted from contractor to DIY'er. Does that bother me? Yes it does. Why? Because I'm a contractor. And I like reading magazines that are geared towards contractors. So if FHB decides to not target contractors anymore, I've got nothing to read while I'm taking my morning smash.
And that can make me grumpy.
And yes..... I do feel that Ruth's question was directed towards DIY'ers and not contractors. And that would be indicative of whom their target audience may be.
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>> I've got nothing to read while I'm taking my morning smash.And that can make me grumpy.<<Brian,Never heard that one before. That is funny as sh!t.......;-)Joe Carola
I'm glad someone finds me amusing. :)
I really scratch my head sometimes and wonder how these types of "discussions" get so out of hand here sometimes. I can't help but feel the question seems to be directed towards HO's/DIY'ers. I've read it about 35 times now and that's still my conclusion.
Why? Well.... generally speaking, if I set out to do a task, I make a list of what I'll need and then I go buy it. Incidentals (nails, screws, driver bits, saw blades, tools, etc) are usually stocked on the truck so I don't need to worry about stuff like that. So... generally speaking if I need to make several trips to the same store to complete this one task, it's a pretty good indicator that I'm either stoned or just generally don't know what the he11 I'm doing.
If this type of behavior is repeated often enough that I feel qualified to answer a poll that is basically asking me "how big of a moron are you" and I feel that I actually have enough experience in forgetting crap that I can AVERAGE my screw ups and choose one of the multiple choice answers.... well..... I would have to say that I can't qualify myself as a professional at whatever it is I'm trying to do.
Now I'm not saying that only HO's and DIY'ers shop at the home centers. I never said that. And I never implied that. I shop there myself on occasion. Nor am I saying that I NEVER forget any materials for a project. I'm just saying that part of being a professional is knowing what you're getting into and what you'll need to complete whatever job it is we're talking about here.
The poll didn't ask me how many times do I need to go to the grocery store to end up with all the right ingredients to cook dinner. If I did.... I might think it was directed towards me. As I'm an amatuer at that. But it didn't ask that. It asked about building materials on a building website. And the very nature of the question indicates a lack of experience. What seperates the pro's from the ho's is experience. Therefore I drew the conclusion that the question was directed towards non-pros.
I'm sorry you had to be the recipient of this post Joe.... it really had nothing to do with you! LOL..... but once the wheels start spinning...........View Image
Brian,
I tend to agree after seeing your comments. Maybe they're planning on an FHB Lite.
I pay the premium price for the magazine and just signed up for the .com end as well because I'm interested in why / how you guys (and ladies) do what you do, your takes on new materials and methods and what new stuff to look for in the industry.
I do so only because I enjoy it and enjoy the 'pro' side of things. I have learned a lot from lurking the web site and reading the articles written for pros. I already have enough DIY stuff to choose from.
I first saw the magazine when a contractor sitting next to me on a flight noticed an architectural magazine I was reading and asked if I was in the trades. I said "no, but...." and he gave me his copy. Call me a groupy, I guess. Hearing your slant on why and how things get done and how they may change with new technologies and procedures is why I shop here.
Besides, where else can I find "the Tavern" and it's infamous denizens?
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Well, we're at 37 posts and 62 votes.........................
That oughta be telling us something.
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WHICH content will be free, of course; WHICH content will require registration; but WHICH content will be available only to members of FineHomebuilding.com.???
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Wish I could, wish I could. I Haven't been "down east" since Sept. '01. I miss it. Almost bought a piece of Maine then. There were two parcels. One in S. Addison and the other in Milbridge. Cherryfield is pretty, too.
A piece of me will always yearn for it but my home is here on the peninsula, now. It's very beautiful, here, on this edge of the world. Closer to the grandkids, the DW won't consider it becasue of the little critters. We'll come visit soon as I have a BIL in Moncton and a SIL in York.
When we get back I will try and get to the island and find "the bench"....The unspoken word is capital. We can invest it or we can squander it. -Mark Twain...
Be kind to your children....they will choose your nursing home.
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I think that's the main reason most non-pros subscribe.
I advance the argument that it is the professional aspect that causes FHB to be attractive to the nonprofessionals, and that Taunton is actually hurting their appeal to DIY'ers by "dumbing down" the rag.SamT
Anyone who doesn't take truth seriously in small matters cannot be trusted in large ones either. [Einstein] Tks, BossHogg.
" Taunton is actually hurting their appeal to DIY'ers by "dumbing down" the rag."Ding ding ding ding ding! Give that man a cupie doll!!I wonder if anything is learned from the unexpected long list of these types of responses.
I've enjoyed my subscription to FHB pretty much from the start, way back in the early 80's and I still get it. I barely look at it anymore though because I have to agree with what is being said here. I too will probably drop it soon. One thing is certain though, BT is still a great place to come to for both pros and Harvey Homeowner the DIY if you want useful info.
>>>>>>>>>>>I barely look at it anymore though because I have to agree with what is being said here.I feel the same, but I'm gonna play the devil's advocate and say that maybe when we started subscribing, we hadn't seen near as much as we have by this point. I sometimes browse an article quickly and see there's nothing new for me to digest. Doesn't mean it's not a good article, I've just been there done that. How many cutting edge framing articles can be written? How many different ways are there to run crown mould? One article on each per year will pretty much keep us up to date. So, I guess we're gonna have to set thru some dishwasher comparison articles. http://logancustomcopper.comhttp://grantlogan.net/It's like the whole world's walking pretty and you can't find no room to move. - the BossI married my cousin in Arkansas - I married two more when I got to Utah. - the Gourds
Edited 2/27/2007 8:50 am ET by seeyou
very good points. Maybe we've changed and they haven't as much.
I feel the same, but I'm gonna play the devil's advocate and say that maybe when we started subscribing, we hadn't seen near as much as we have by this point. I sometimes browse an article quickly and see there's nothing new for me to digest. Doesn't mean it's not a good article, I've just been there done that. How many cutting edge framing articles can be written? How many different ways are there to run crown mould? One article on each per year will pretty much keep us up to date. So, I guess we're gonna have to set thru some dishwasher comparison articles.
Now you went and did it. Why does one person always have to interject common sense into an argument. Tsk tsk
I personally am looking at this thread, as well as numerous other threads as a microcosm of todays society.
Everyone is right. Everyone is best. Everyone knows more than all those "other idiots" Everyone's space is being violated. Everyone has to get theirs because it's owed to them.
You see this everytime you drive down the interstate. Get in line for a movie, at the grocery store etc etc.
It makes me sick.
I cannot understand how a society like ours feel so threatened in every aspect of thier lives.
FHB would probably be a 50 page bi-annual rag if it weren't for everyman, woman, and builder who supported it.
Folks need to start being more caring, and quit believing that their myopic views are the only one worth a salt.
This forum is phenomenal, but I am sensing a trend here (I do hope that it's a very small percentage of folks though) that it will turn into an us and them type of thing. And that would be sad.
I used to have some "thoughts" about that piffin, now I have better ones ;) I even offered to buy him a beer when he came down here. I have extended offshore fishing trips to members as well. I see no reason why there cannot be folks of different levels and industries intermingling. Hell, I don't want all and my only friends to be IT dorks.
Thats what attracted and kept me with FHB and this Forum. The multitude of folks, sharing, caring and bonding. (and ok, yes the advice, but I have passed on some of what I have learned to my plumber friend and electrician friend, so that's kewl too, right?)
Anyways, I will step off my tiny soapbox now.
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""This forum is phenomenal, but I am sensing a trend here (I do hope that it's a very small percentage of folks though) that it will turn into an us and them type of thing. And that would be sad. ""
..Been in the Tav lately? Say something about --------. Take either side. Go ahead, I dare ya' ;0)
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Right on the money. I originally subscribed to learn more than how to overspend on a kitchen, or do it half-a$$ed using an advertiser's proprietary product. The magazine has been dumbed down of late. Let the beginner DIY'ers stick to Family Handyman and leave this magazine for real work. I regularly read articles about pro work way beyond anything I will ever do. Mainly because it was well written and many times to be inspired and learn tricks of the trades.
I know the stats of DIY'ers to Pros has been presented before, however BT has always been filled with Pros and a handful of DIY'ers. Admittedly, this place was very unfriendly to DIY'er several years ago (pre-pre-prospero and web-x stuff). It is definitely more friendly now, but the number of DIY'ers are rising steadily. I fear for BT becoming like the TOH forums with a typical post reading "I have never picked up a tool in my life, but how do I jack my house, rewire, replumb, etc.."...that's not a mistake, it's rustic
That explained my thoughts about this poll very well."How much of a moron are you..." especially!!!But on your earlier point - it has been thoroughly examined and explained before that Tauton has good objective reason to believe that the vast majority of their paying customer base is DIY and not pro which guides their reasoniing and decision makin process from how to organize the new improved BT to what articles to placce in the magazine this month to how construction-experienced are the editors we need to hire.Let's not delude ourselves that BT is any kind of a 'PRO' siteWhen I think about it, I don't know if I want it to be when I hear that HD has a "Pro" in every aisle, and that JLC is for "pro"s only
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All good points Piffin.
I'm just thinking that if Taunton is going to start a campaign trying to steer more DIY'ers here to the forum in particular, then it may behoove them to not forget about the guys who will be here to offer up the knowledge they are persueing. Throw the man a bone once in awhile.
I'll face the fact that the majority of subscription holders are DIY if the others will accept the face that this forum would be virtually useless without the input of the guys who have "been there and done that". It would simply digress into another one of those forums where the blind are leading the blind.
And I'd also like to say that I've got nothing against DIY'ers or weekend warriors or whatever you want to call them. Some of my favorite personalities here at BT are DIY'ers and I'd be a liar if I didn't say that I've learned a thing or two along the way from a few of them as well.
But I think it'd be a shame if the magazine decided to full-on steer itself towards that crowd. Right now I think they are trying to hit both markets and I don't think that's a great idea either. Many otherwise decent mags go down the tubes by not being focused enough to please either side. I love FHB and would hate to see it have that fate.View Image
I agree fully with all you said theree - and said well.I think I'm going to take a holiday for a day or three to let things settle here with this new format. For some reason, I woke up feeling grumpytoday and i know I'm going to accidentally unload on somebody in all the crap that will be flying here.Be well.
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You're right, this is definately not a pro-only site or magazine. And there's nothign wrong with that. But, with a sarcastic tone I ask, will the next polls ask how many uses there are for sheetrock screws? or which cordless combo kit of Ryobi tools is best?
I certainly hope Taunton is not aiming for the HGTV/Trading Places/Build on a Budget/get it done in 30 minutes clientele.
Surely they see that the first word in the title is Fine, which means people who want to do things right and have a passion for quality.
"Put your creed in your deed." Emerson
"When asked if you can do something, tell'em "Why certainly I can", then get busy and find a way to do it." T. Roosevelt
"the vast majority of their paying customer base is DIY and not pro which guides their reasoniing and decision makin process from how to organize the new improved BT to what articles to placce in the magazine this month"in making the decision on what to include for the DIY crowd is why is the DIY crowd here, and I mean the long term folks. My guess is that they want to know how to build something the best way, and save time, $ etc.example, I used a trick I learned in an article for gang cutting studs for my shed.I come here for ground level information, not 50,000 ft level info. It also helps to know what you are asking when you are hiring someone to do something. that "get 3 bids" level stuff is bad when you don't understand why and where to get 3 bids from.
bobl Volo, non valeo
Baloney detecter WFR
"But when you're a kibbutzer and have no responsibility to decide the facts and apply the law, you can reach any conclusion you want because it doesn't matter." SHG
<How many trips to a big-box home center does it take to finish your weekend project?>I don't really understand why they would care?? What's the point of the poll?
<I don't really understand why they would care?? What's the point of the poll?>I think it was supposed to be funny. I thought it was, a little bit anyway.I have been lurking here for a while but I think this is my first post. I am just a weekend DIYer but my typical project procurement process looks something like this:during the week either go by local LY with truck and pick up materials or call them have them deliverered. Saturday morning start working. Sometime after LY has closed find that there is some essential item that I need. Go to neighborhood HW store and look for it. Don't have it. Go to HD. After searching for an hour and maybe asking the orange apron and getting no help, find it take it home and go back to work. Later find something else I can't continue without. Go to neighborhood HW store and look for it... find it this time.So a typical project for me requires 1 trip to LY, 1 to HD or Lowes and 2 to the corner HW store.
"weekend project" = DYI. That's it, you're just right.
I think the Moderator "Ruth" is from Over the Fence/Fine Gardening, maybe the question was meant for a cross-sampling between sites.
And yes, I agree over the 3-4 years I have been reading the mag has gotten less "professional" in its approach, and I hope this doesn't continue, eventhough now I am now strictly DYI myself.
"I think the Moderator "Ruth" is from Over the Fence/Fine Gardening, maybe the question was meant for a cross-sampling between sites."IIRC Ruth is the official stickie for posting polls.
bobl Volo, non valeo
Baloney detecter WFR
"But when you're a kibbutzer and have no responsibility to decide the facts and apply the law, you can reach any conclusion you want because it doesn't matter." SHG
Ok - I didn't know - I thought I had since JFink post a poll or 2 - I do know Ruth "D" (I forget her full last name) is primarily involved in Fine Gardening.
OK, my $.02I'm not currently a pro, but have had the luxury of doing several whole-house rehabs 'full-time' in the past few years. I buy almost everything from HD. I use the 'no payments or interest for 6 (or 12) months' on the HD card, which is great, but the main reason is convenience. The HD is open 'till 10 (used to be 24 hours!), so I can work 'till 8 PM, go have dinner, then go buy stuff I need for the next day. Sure it's a pain to schlep your own stuff to the register, but I can't stand the LY rigamarole of going to the desk, waiting for the clerk to get up off his #### to write up your order, going out to the yard, waiting for the kid to saunter over to fill your order, waiting in line to have your load checked as you leave the yard, etc.- who has that kind of time? No wonder they have coffee and doughnuts! That said, if I need really nice lumber or trim, I go there and pay the high price- I just have to resign myself to the fact that it will take at least 90 minutes.Bill
"Two to five -- I always forget a few things"While I think the number is about right, the reason is all wet. While yes I do forget things, chances are, the return trips are because the project changes from what is anticipated. Most of my projects are repair projects. I get what I think I will need but often when I take things apart or open up a wall, the project changes. It may be that the original work was not done as I had anticipated. I may be that some part that I planned on reusing broke when I tried to take it apart. It may be that it isn't a matter of replacing to rotten board, it requires rebuilding the entire wall, floor or what ever.I guess the question written by a DIY'er for DIY'ers,
Most definitely. I'm re-doing what we fancifully call the den. I just a couple of hours ago opened up an exterior wall, and guess what? Rotten sill-plate under a window (which window is coming out anyway.) The project just got a little more complex and is going to entail an "extra" trip to the BORG. Fortunately it looks like only a couple feet so I guess it could be worse.
Official stickie -- now that's a job title to die for.
Just so y'all know, I'm in the Web group, so you might find my fingerprints on any of Taunton's sites. In my misspent youth I was a copy editor for Fine Woodworking and Fine Homebuilding. I'm an avid gardener and have been known to cook from scratch (pretty much all the time). Don't sew, have no fashion sense or interest whatsoever.
I do post most of the polls, but (here comes the disclaimer...) I rarely think them up.
Polls, votes?
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I do post most of the polls, but (here comes the disclaimer...) I rarely think them up.
Now Ruth I have to ask you, with the television on in the background I just heard an ad for HomeDepot talking about how many trips back did it take for her project...so I have to ask you,
was that a little comic relief you intentional put in the title of this poll?
every court needs a jester
Just a coincidence, rez. I don't watch much TV at all.
Um ... just wondering how you 'pros' learned your trade? Through this medium? Got me doubts.
Don't know too may pro's in any field that could learn their craft through this medium.
Your point?
These pretzels, are making me thirsty.
My point is that some DYI'ers may not be 'professional' but, we do like having 'expert' opinions, advice, etc. You may not like it, but, not everyone can afford to hire the professionals. We aren't all unable to follow detailed instructions, etc. As a professional person, you must know that your knowledge is valuable & you have a great deal of resource when it comes to improving/implementing new methods, etc. I didn't think that this particular information source was the only one out there for you.I'm sorry if I touched a raw nerve. I sure didn't mean to.
No....not at all.
It seemed as though a nerve of your own had been touched.
I'm unaware of anyone on this site unhappy with the presence of DIYs.
Many of us, however, aren't all too happy with the direction the magazine seems to be taking. (Actually has been for a few years.)
These pretzels, are making me thirsty.
You're right ... it did touch a nerve! LOL Tks for your patience with a 'touchy' DIY'er LOL
In my area you see many "high end " builders trucks in Lowes and 84 Lumber
I saw HD logo housewrap on a commercial or multifamily (forget which) job the other day. Got to say I was suprised.
As far as I know, FHB has always been available on the newsstand for purchase by the general public. I've been reading it for 20 years or more, and I'm strictly a DIY'er.
I do try to avoid the big box stores, and patronize the neighborhood hardware store and lumber yard whenever I can.
But if you're saying that it seems like the content has been getting watered down the last few years, then I'd agree with you. That there seems to be less meat in the magazine, then I'd agree with you.
I think that's exactly what he was saying. The rag is being directed far more towards the "weekend warriors" than it once was.
My subscription is up, yet again.
I think I'm gonna sit it out a bit one more time. I came back once....maybe I will again.
These pretzels, are making me thirsty.
I think that's exactly what he was saying. The rag is being directed far more towards the "weekend warriors" than it once was.
Well in that case, we're in complete agreement. Too many worthless mags out there already. Last thing we need to for FHB to copy them.
jt8
"The flower that follows the sun does so even on cloudy days."--Robert Leighton
Ditto the opinion of watered down. It's getting weak.
Right, and almost all of our "real" lumberyards have closed. 84 Lumber just closed a couple weeks ago; most of the locally owned and run lumberyards have been gone for many years. One I used a lot because it was about five blocks from my house moved to the outskirts of town, then catered only to professionals, now it has closed. I do like walking up to the lumber I need and finding stuff that isn't all warped, bowed, split or twisted, rather than just taking whatever the guy loads for you in the yard.
I agree dieselpig.
-Lou
zero, I don't use them either, I go to a real lumberyard too!
Geoff
It's zero because I, or we don't do weekend projects. Weekends are for skiing, baseball, bicycling, museums, movies, theatre etc.
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Jerrald, you are quite right, I stand corrected, I guess my dis-like of the big boxes got the best of me!
Geoff
What Jerrald said.
I wish I had a reason;
my flaws are open season
Ruth
I normally don't pay a painter to paint the inside of my home-I do it myself. This is a DIY project my wife and I do on weekends. We normally go to Home Depot and buy our paint, normally the only place open after 7 on a friday nite.
Just because I buy from home depot, does not make me any less a contractor, than the guy who buys everything from his local yard.I have been in business for 35 years, still buy from the local guy, but still like to peek in the other places.
I can't believe none of you ever do projects around the house, and have to run to the depot, for stuff you forgot to get.Even the pros forget things.Piffin probably doesn't have a depot on the island.
Maybe Ruth was just talking about us(pros) working on our own homes.
Greg in Connecticut
>>>>>>>>>>>Maybe Ruth was just talking about us(pros) working on our own homes.Greg - I didn't know how to answer that question. I typically spend several thousand bucks each month at Lowe's. I go there when I need a paint brush, a propane tank, a wheelbarrow tire, two 2x4's, some screws, lightbulbs, and some caulk. If I need 40 sheets of plywood, I buy from my lumberyard. It doesn't matter if I'm working on my own house or someone else's. As a pro, I try to be as equally organized when I'm fixing something for the little cookie cutter as when I'm doing a paying project.You going to Dino's this summer?http://logancustomcopper.com
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I gotta think that the editors are all sitting in a room watching the monitor and one says... post this poll.... that will get them going.and if that doesn't do it, we can always change the banner.just like rats in a maze
Barry E-Remodeler
just like rats in a maze
I think you got it right!
I made the comment on here a few weeks ago that FHB was moving/has moved more towards DIY'ers (in the BT Vs JLC thread) and I got a few nasty e-mails from some fellow BT'ers!
I'm not responding to the poll, not gonna let them study me like no rat!
You get any ice over there in DM? Heard today that this was the worst ice storm that Iowa has ever had. Well at least we set a record!
Doug
Hey DougI guess the world really needs another DIY mag. oh wellWe got ice and about 6" of snow. Just barely got the addition I'm working on dried in. Didn't seem as bad as '93 but there were a lot of low hanging trees
Barry E-Remodeler
Yes i agree,There was a post in knots from this person also(same format)
Either that or her and brownbag(both;media/publishing in profiles) are junior reporters trying to find out how much it takes to get us ignant construction workers going.
Seeyou
Yes the misses and I are planing to head up to the fest My wife has always wanted to see Niagra Falls, and I have promised every year for the last 24, no excuses now. We are waiting for Dino to post some more suggestions for lodging.
I think we are still lucky in Connecticut, there are still a lot of real lumber yards. The majority of my work is framing, and that is where it comes from.I framed one home with Home Depot lumber, good looking material, but God help you if you ran short.
They back ordered quite a bit of stuff, or sent lengths that were shorter than ordered but made it up in quantity. I would wait for days for material. That was the last time.
Are you going to make the trip north in the Mommy Van?
Greg in Connecticut
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That's a good way of looking at it. On my end of town anyway the local yard plain old sucks. I have no quilms about using the box for whatever I want.
Think ya used enough dynamite there, Butch?
so we're officially DIY site now, huh ...
Jeff
wow ... guess I should scroll down and read before I post! Looks like the other kids covered my point already ...
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Artistry In Carpentry
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Edited 2/26/2007 7:27 pm ET by JeffBuck
there are no box store here so i cant reply. But i go to the lumberyard, My real job is driving back and forth all day, once in awhile i stop and put a few nails in so homeowners believe i exist;)
zero... avoid the BB's all together...
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I'm a "pro" Monday through Friday. On the weekends I work on my own house, and there's a Lowes half a mile from my house and a Depot a mile and a half away.
I'm pretty organized at work, but on my own projects I do the plumbing, electrical, painting, and whatever else needs to be done. Those aren't the jobs I do every day and I always seem to need one part more or get one piece wrong which requires a quick trip back to the store.
If I had more money than time I would just hire subs. Sometimes I trade favors with the subs I work with, but I enjoy the learning aspect and I think it makes me a better carpenter and foreman to have wired a bathroom fan or plumbed my own shower.
I do wish the magazine would stay oriented toward pros. At least we still have JLC.
After reading most of the posts, I think everybody is right!
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Oh c'mon guys, everybody goes there for something. If I can get something at the local yard then thats where I get it. if I need a trash can or a broom or some light plumbing, electrical supply's then its off to the box
Weekend project? That would be the grocery store, the butcher, something other than work related.
The big box(es) probably don't have whatever you need, nor could they find it if they did, so why go?
Depends on the project - if it's plumbing it's always 2 or 3 - to the local corner (real!) hardware store. Big box is only if I'm buying a whole bunch of stuff or shopping after the corner guy closes.