Foyer w/ 4 doors/passages and stair. Installing 2.25 3/4 FIP oak, double width as border and 1.5 3/4 FIP as field.
There ain’t a dang dimension (wall, doorway, or… anything) that is straight, much less square.
?? How much do you cheat and where?
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Knowing when and how to cheat is what separates true pros from the rest of us. (True in both building trades and sports.)
Little here little there...you can do some long tapers if you're careful. Is there one area that's more heavily travelled or one viewpoint that's easier to get an eyeball on? Those would be the areas to make right, and cheat around the edges.
1/8" taper on four boards and you've picked up 1/2". If you need more than that, tell them you're not a miracle worker.
Sometimes diagonal patterns can hide out-of-squareness. Sometimes it accentuates it though.
Thanks, Mike!
I've never done a border and it really has me questioning myself. I'd found the "line of sight" and am running with it... but the tapers kinda spook me with the border.
Be hackin' away.
"Fortunately, the ideas of individual liberty, private property, freedom of contract and association, personal responsibility and liability, and government power as the primary enemy of liberty and property, will not die out as long as there is a human race, simply because they are true and the truth supports itself."
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Yeah, line of sight is the way to go, mostly. What do you see when approaching from either side (or sitting in a chair, if there will likely be a seating area with a view of this mess)? When you look at it that way, what lines will appear discordant with other lines?Forget about what YOU'LL notice because you built it, and think about what others will notice.
If your view never changes you're following the wrong leader
In other words...
"Know where the furniture goes."
Got it.
Thanks"Fortunately, the ideas of individual liberty, private property, freedom of contract and association, personal responsibility and liability, and government power as the primary enemy of liberty and property, will not die out as long as there is a human race, simply because they are true and the truth supports itself."
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Hackinatit,
Make things eye sweet and there won't ever be an issue..
another words tack things in place step back and look at it critically..
My old house had some major issues like that. I used intentional vertical breaks every 4 feet to sweeten up things and when people came in they couldn't tell that I'd adjusted things more than 3 inches in 20 feet.. This is where working with ornate victorian trim really helps out!
My walls all looked straight plumb and square but sure as heck weren't
I really can't do the breaks, but I will keep in mind that "what looks right is right"...
to paraphrase Mike Smith.
;-)
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I see finish carpentry as as much a visual art as construction skill. In general terms it's important to look at the space you are working on as the clients will when it's actually used. Walk into the space as the client will and look at the elements that catch your eye.
Borders have to run nearly parralel to the walls. How much you can cheat depends on the angle the space is in. In a short hall that's only see from a fairly high or off angle view point can sometimes be cheated more than a long hall seen from one end or perhaps a hall at the top of stairs where the eye looks down more.
I'll grossly generalize that on rough surfaces with gentle lighting such as most sheetrock finishes something can be out of whack 1/16" per foot without notice. With harsh light that shrinks to 1/32" per foot.
Smooth finishes, such as trim and whatnot are often noticable if beyond 1/32" per foot, but it varies widely on lighting, nearby parallel lines, and profiles. If two lines are closely together and near eye level, such as a door reveal, 1/64" per foot is easily seen.
The wonderful thing about stain-grade wood is the grain can be used to make up for all sorts of things. A slight curve in the grain and you can make straight runs look crooked or if running the other way can make a curved section appear straight.
Best of luck
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Cheating is done to make the impact less obnoxious. A square bordered floor has to be right with itself, the cheating can take place outside the edge of the field/start of the border. First thing I do on any wall construction or flooring layout is set two lines that are square to each other (as long as possible and in the middle of the room area. Use one color chalk. Measure off these two lines to find any discrepancy. Then figure the attack to minimize the goofiness.
On a basement remodel for instance where you're constructing oftentimes several walls / doorways the main area needs to be right with itself. Perimeter rooms/closets can usually be left to make up the difference. I'll go in and strike two square to itself control lines and then spray clear coat over them to hold them over multiple sweepings. These two lines are god. Everything is built off them.A great place for Information, Comraderie, and a sucker punch.
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Usually the longest walls are the straightest and the most true to the house. They went up first when it was framed. It's also the place where you will be putting down the most flooring the fastest. The short stuff is always slower so cheating there doesn't slow you down as much.
But you do have to keep in mind the spots that show alot.
String a line down the longest wall and check it for straightness. Once you have that figured out the rest should fall into place.
Run it diagonal. No cheating needed.
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