Today the GC that I frame houses for dropped of a check and states that he is going to place a high speed camera in the house we are framing right now pointing in the direction of the next one were are framing for a bunch of commercials he is going to air on TV.
I don’t like being in that situation, a little to much out in the open if you know what I mean. I don’t want my ugly mug planted all over TV.
I spoke with my guys about this and they all agree that this isn’t something we want to be a part of. But we don’t want to turn down the job either.
I thought about buying a Nixon mask and wearing it at work then it would be fun.
This could be a good thing, should I just do it and reap the benifits of the free advertising or tell the GC that we don’t want to be included?
You’re entitled to sh!t.—Tony Soprano
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I would think he would have to have you sign a release in order to use your image on the air. At that time you could refrain from signing and he would use site pictures without your ugly mug.
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Remodeling Contractor just outside the Glass City.
Quittin' Time
Why on earth wouldn't you want to be a part of something like that?
It seems to me you be one of the beneficiaries of the ad if it all works out and the GC gets more work out of it so to me it sounds like you and your guys are just being paranoid.
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I think it would be good for business. Just don't do anything stupid while the camera is on.
Speak the truth, or make your peace some other way.
Just wear beards and amish hats.
be maybe ride to work in a carriage
'Nemo me impune lacesset'
No one will provoke me with impunity
Go to a joke-shop and buy rubber noses for everyones' safety glasses.
Phill Giles
The Unionville Woodwright
Unionville, Ontario
How about some nice wax lips?
"I cut this piece four times and it's still too short."
If your image is used in any form of advertising there must be a release signed by you or anyone else used in the advertisement. If your smart you'll talk to a local modeling agency or look up SAG (Screen actors guild) and see what the rates are. Professional models don't come cheap and my ugly mug doesn't either. Don't sign any release without reading it and don't sign without getting paid. Free advertising is worth exactly what you paid for it.
You've got to be kidding me. What I guess was a couple of decades ago I was in a Schaeffer Beer commercial that ran for a couple of years and earned some very nice residuals from it. But this was a company that had had a big enough market and enough bucks to pay to run the ad as a regional Super Bowl ad so they certainly could afford to pay me even though I probably would have let them use the footage they shot of me for nothing. However in the case of this builder unless it's Toll Brothers or Centex there just isn't going to be the budget for "compensating" the people in the footage. If I was that GC and my framing sub came back to me with those kinds of demands I would phase him out of my contracting picture pretty quickly. Talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face!
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So park your logo-covered truck within site of the camera. Could mean advertising for you as well as him.
jt8
"When you take charge of your life, there is no longer need to ask permission of other people or society at large. When you ask permission, you give someone veto power over your life." -- Geoffrey F. Abert
you could all make short work of it if you all flash him the moon when the camera comes on
Sounds like he is going to do a time lapse clip. So 15 seconds and the whole house if framed sorta thing. Any isolated incident with "moons" or such wouldn't even show up.
jt8
"When you take charge of your life, there is no longer need to ask permission of other people or society at large. When you ask permission, you give someone veto power over your life." -- Geoffrey F. Abert
Yeah butt the subliminal thoughts would have people really turned on or sick one or the other."There are about 550000000 firearms in worldwide circulation. That's one firearm for every twelve people on the planet. The only question is...........How do we arm the other eleven?" Yuri Orlov<!----><!----><!---->
Sure, it will get business for the builder and therefore likely you. Those high speed shots are so fast they'll never see your faces. If it were me I would not be mercenary about it and ask for any other compensation.
Make sure you use the Porta Potty!
Just go down to the court house and clear up those Warrants.
It's not that we're paranoid or runnin from the law, we are just a group of guys that don't want any special recognition for the job we do everyday especially on TV.
I'm going to do it, it will benefit me and my company in the long run. Any houses that get sold off these commercials I will be framing. The GC doesn't get bids from any other framing contractors so it's a small price to pay for the potential gain.
Asking for money hadn't even crossed my mind, and I am not going to ask for it either, the GC is very good to me and I don't want to change that.
I posted this wondering of anyone knew anything about this type of advertising and like others have said probably won't be able to tell who's who anyway.
Thanks for the input it's always appreciatedYou're entitled to sh!t.---Tony Soprano
Definitely sounds like time for a frank talk with the GC about how it will be handled, if your faces will be shown, etc. IF you do end up doing it, I'd definitely take advantage of the opportunity to advertise by putting uo a company sign within camera range, or something like that.
All good books are alike in that they are truer than if they had really happened. [Ernest Hemingway]
It may be interesting to find out if the GC's ad agency would require releases before they would even run the ads. Whether you're paid or not, it would be a shame to get the film then find out it can't be used without releases.
Maybe he's not really doing an ad & just wants to spy on his subs ;)
I heard somebody say here, can't remember who it was, that for your work they need to use a slow speed camera.
"When asked if you can do something, tell'em "Why certainly I can", then get busy and find a way to do it." T. Roosevelt
My ears were ringing I couldn't figure out why. Somebody's talkin trash. Or is it the truth?You're entitled to sh!t.---Tony Soprano
Just pulling your leg. Actually, part of the basis for the comment was your statement that they plan to use a high speed camera. You would use one if you wanted to film a high speed event and slow it down so it could be seen better. That's the opposite of what they're going to do.
"When asked if you can do something, tell'em "Why certainly I can", then get busy and find a way to do it." T. Roosevelt
Any advertising is good advertising! Don't get snooty about this, your not professional actors or models. Just make sure your Co. logo or name is included in the ad, not just in the tapeing! Tell your crew to shave and comb their hair and smile and be courteous to the video crew. Always remember, you get more with honey than vinegar! Good luck, Chuck Keller, AFTRA<,SAG
If, at first, you fricascee, fry, fry a hen!
Similar situation here. The library we are building has a live webcam set up across the street. Nobody even mentioned it to us, hope there are no serious safety violations recorded. I actually have no problem with it ( got to show it to the kids), but at least they could have let us know.
Mike
Trust in God, but row away from the rocks.
Do you have any kind of sign with your companies name on it? I would plaster my companies name right in front of the camera. Free ad time.
what are you doing....
packing bowls and taking bong hits on the job
do you have oustanding warrants?
don't want your wife to know what your doing?
i don't get it
I have nothing to hide from anyone. I probably was overreacting to it yesterday. It's just something I havn't been a part of before and am a little nervous about it.
You're entitled to sh!t.---Tony Soprano
relax...enjoy it. once the commercials air you will be laughing at yourselves.
I would do it just this once, even though you don't really want to. Make a deal with the guy that he not ask you to do that again, and that you can have your sign out where it will be seen by the camera. Usually in time lapse it woun't pick up any body to recognize.
In order to get any pay from him, you would have to draw up a contract. It's just an ad for him...it's not something where he has to take out a contract and pay a huge bond to AFTRA or SAG and make all your workers members of any actors unions.
I would make it known to him that you and your guys are not in favor of it.
Just remember though what happened to Norm Abrams. Yeah, I'll bet he's just angry as hell that he agreed to be shown on TV that first time all those years ago. I can just see him throwing a fit all the way to the bank.
I don't want any compensation for doing this it's just something I haven't been asked to do before or even heard of. With the input from you guys it makes me more comfortable with it though.
I just don't like the spotlight being directed on me. I'm going to do it, probably won't have any pics with us in it anyway just the house in all its processes.
Once again thanks for putting my mind at ease guys.You're entitled to sh!t.---Tony Soprano
Hey Stilletto:
Conventional old saying is there's no such thing as bad publicity. I'd likely be self-conscious if I knew there were cameras on me and it might slow me down. Other than that, I don't see a down side.
"A job well done is its own reward. Now would you prefer to make the final payment by cash, check or Master Card?"
I haven't read all the responces and it might have been said already but make sure you wear your company shirts and/or hats and everyone will see your name out there. It sounds like a good thing.Joe Carola
I think every 20 minutes or so you and your guys should just break out into a conga line, or do the YMCA dance...then resume work as nothing has happened....
now THAT is must see TV!
knowledge without experience is just information.... Mark Twain
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I already dance around like a jackazz all day so thats definetly going to be a part of the deal, I agree with you guys that any publicity is good publicity. I placed an order for my hooded sweatshirts today. Still freakin cold here.
The GC is a good man and even better marketing man this guy could sell gas grilles to people in hell. I will inform him of the information that I received from you guys in this thread.You're entitled to sh!t.---Tony Soprano
Stilletto,
Your GC is entering a whoooole different world, with a really strange and restrictive set of rules.
If he hasn't already talked to a television ad agency, you should strongly advise him to consult with one before he goes any farther.
Just tell him that you like working for him and you want him to stay around a bit longer.
The fact that he didn't hand you a release when he told you about his scheme, tells me that he hasn't a clue about what he's getting into.
So park your logo-covered truck within site of the camera. Could mean advertising for you as well as him.
Not only that, but I would make Tshirts for you and your guys with your name in really large print, same as your trucks. Front AND back of shirts. Then make sure to walk close to the camera every few minutes.
DG/Builder
The camera is going to be placed in the house we are framing right now pointing at the next on we are framing about 50 ft away. Probably won't be able to see any faces. Don't have any logos on my truck or signs for the yards might want to start now though.You're entitled to sh!t.---Tony Soprano
OK.....wash the truck...lots about that here lately....looks "better".
Put a big new magnetic sign on it (w/ your phone # about 3-4" tall).
Get all your crew matching color tee shirts (at wallyworld-$5 ea).
Put on a hard hat (or matching baseball caps), and safety sunglasses.
You will be incognito....... look good........and promote your self as a "professional framer".
win/win/win!
Wash the truck? The dirt holds the thing together!You're entitled to sh!t.---Tony Soprano
If this is for "time lapse" for an ad, Park your truck in the same exact spot every day, or get a stationary sign planted on the site. Anything that moves will be blurry or disappear completely.
Garett
Ditto - set the sign and don't move it for any time span shorter than a week.Remodeling Contractor just on the other side of the Glass City