I and renovatin a house built in 1878. I am looking for interior door styles. I did not have any original doors. Anyone know any good reference materials on doors and trim?
Thanks
Tim
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"reference materials..."
What exactly do you want to do? purchase some in old style? build your own? Without knowing anthing else, maybe search about.com http://www.taunton.com/finehomebuilding/ has a lot of information.
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What style of architecture is the house?
Doors from that period were commonly 4 panel.
Victorian?
http://www.trustile.com/findyourstyle/victorian.asp
That is a pretty good website. Have you used their doors? Mike
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No.
Like Slateman says-
this from 1863 in NW Oh. I believe these are from the original construction of the house.
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Did you work on that one Calvin?
We usually tour the Wolcott House while in Toledo for Christmas. This year we may go to the Manor House at Wildwood. One of my sisters decorated the kitchen there this year for Christmas.
Have a Merry Christmas!
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Steve, yes I did work on it. Across the street and over two houses. These folks are terrific. They have a beautifully original and restored house, one of the first in Maumee. I've done the usual repair issues, their kitchen, and recently this Bogus Room
You'll love the manor house-they decorate whole hog for Christmas. Each room a theme. I hope they have the "fish room"-that's an anglers paradise.
Their Barbie collection in a closet one year was pretty darn interesting.
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I looked at that thread. Beautiful job Calvin. I'm sure they are very pleased.
Our son Jacob is now 7 years old. We also have a son Keanan who is actually 21 months old today.
I've done the Manor House at Christmas before, but that was years ago.
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Edited 12/23/2008 9:13 am ET by SteveInCleveland
Thank you and way to go on the addition!
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Unless you want to build them yourself you might try an architectural salvage yard. Like this one http://www.architecturalsalvage.com . I don't know how close you are to Louisville.
Webby
Edited 12/20/2008 6:45 pm ET by webby
Something like this might be nice. I found this pic on another salvage site. I think the company is in the U.K.
Webby
Here is one from that timeframe that has the oak woodgrain painted on to a poplar door:
Note: this may have caused some painters to become drunks. ;o)
Hello tkiser -
I've worked on a number of houses from that time period - mostly Italianate. There are quite a few inexpensive reproduction books of millwork catalogs from the period (and later) - these are typically the best source for design -
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http://www.collectibles411.com/ubwaws/n/0486285146/
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http://www.collectibles411.com/ubwaws/n/0486292800/
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http://www.collectibles411.com/ubwaws/n/048644015X/
... and you can find more sources if you look.
You need a millwork catalog or actual reference because your question was about doors AND trim. At that time, it was quite common to be able to purchase the same casing profile, for instance, in 3", 4" 5" etc. - they had many more options (you can see this in Mulliner).
Also, there were signficant regional differences - can you find a house in your area from the same time period (with original doors)? Bring Christmas cookies and ask for a peek inside ...
Jeff
Edited 12/21/2008 8:46 am ET by Jeff_Clarke
Hey Jeff. Thanks for the list of books. I love this stuff. I just ordered the one on the bottom of Architectural Details. I may be back at the house in Princeton in the spring. Hope you're well.
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Everything good here!
Jeff
That depends on what vintage and or the locale of the home. Door makers in those days were local and didn't have large markets. You might look around some of the homes built around the same time and see what they have.
A trip down I-71 may be in order. Joe Ley's is around the corner from Architectural Salvage. If you've never been to either and love old houses you'll have a blast in those two places. Plan to spend the day. They both have lots of doors.
http://www.joeley.com/
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http://www.sciotosalvage.com/Doors.aspx
http://www.traditional-building.com/brochure/wooden.htm
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Surprisingly styles of doors has not changed dramatically since then. The trim around the doors has and it's a crime to think of ranch style trim around doors of that era. Another thing that would be differant would be door hardware.. hinges, handles, and locks would be differant. A good source for those parts would be someplace like renovators supply http://www.rensup.com I have several other sources if you are interested..
The real tell would be how elaborate would this house have been? A basic 4 square? or an elaborate Victorian?
Wow. Looks like you have work for a while.Marvin Windows can make new arch-top windows for those openings.All the best,Bass
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Nice work. I second knocking on doors to see what the other houses on the block have in them by way of doors. It's probably some variant of the inverted cruciform four-panel, but I've also seen a lot of six-panel doors from that era that are like the inverted cruciform 4-panel, but with an additional vertical panel in the top and the bottom.
Any reason you didn't rebuild the porch? Was it not original to the structure? Judging from the blockwork on it I'm guessing it came came later.
Steve
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The porch was not original. I was lucky when they put the porch on they cut around the keys.
Italianate.
Ditto on the Marvins if you're going to replace - interesting that they are semi-circular on the first floor and segmental on the second.
The dormer (addition??) needs help (stylistically).
Jeff
Edited 12/21/2008 2:41 pm ET by Jeff_Clarke
Typically, what you would see in a door is a four-panel door with inset panels and applied, raised moldings around each panel, rabbeted over the stiles and rails. It was common, at least in NJ, to have this treatment on the 'good' side of the door while retaining a simple square recess on the inside of each room (as an economy).
The good news for you is that you can buy 4-panel doors from a company like WoodHarbor and add the moldings. For Italianate as noted these would project out from the face of the door - usually like this:
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but without such a deep rabbet
"Perfect opportunity to do something appropriate - and simple"
Jeff
Edited 12/22/2008 12:23 am ET by Jeff_Clarke
I had a local guy rebuild the archtops. One thing he did was a couple sills were sinking he put expanding foam and the fource foam pushed the sills back into place. (He is smarter than I)
Let's get that Yankee gutter fixed and some posts to keep the porch from falling in first, before we worry too much about doors, shall we?
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I think windows oughtta be yer MAIN concern!
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but, it's a nailgun. A gun that happens to shoot nails. As such you need to treat it as a gun. Something we in the trades learn early on. Never point it at anything you don't want to shoot. Safety's fail, stranger things happen. We don't want to see you on these pages as an example of an xray photo.
Best of luck on your project.
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Jeezus peezus Tim, you're a mean s.o.b.
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A book called "The Elements of Style" not the one on composition. Has pictures of detail in several differnnt periods.
Do you know who was the author?
No, its a compilation, mostly of pictures. Try e-bay search. About $75 new.
It's going to depemd a bit on where you are and what style the house is. Lee Valley Tools (http://www.leevalley.com/) has reproductions of architecture books from various time periods and you might find something there.
Another great resource is the Historic American Buildings Survey of the Library of Congress. It contains detailed drawings and photos of hundreds of historic structures throughout the country:
http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/collections/habs_haer/
The search engine could be better, but you can select locations near you and of similar dates.
Pete
Dover Publishing http://store.doverpublications.com/048644015x.html has quite a few reprints of old architectural plan and pattern books that be helpful. Don't know if you if have a local historical society but sometimes they can be helpful with the history of the house and may even have pictures.
this is a perfect opportunity to start something new. I would keep it simple.
Also see November-December 2008 Old House Journal on Italianate style houses.
http://www.oldhousejournal.com/architectural_styles_italianate/magazine/1565
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Jeff
Edited 12/22/2008 8:37 am ET by Jeff_Clarke
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