*
By now
b all of you must know I tire easily of the vitriol
…So now it seems to be Andy has had to step in and no one has even skipped a beat…typical human ways…but time hopefully will smooth things out some…
So I know we all get bored to tears when it gets too chummy here, but…Is it possible for us to enjoy those we enjoy on the board and just stay away from ripping at those we don’t?…yes…but of course it is our individual right to chose…
I have been trying a new rule out I heard here at Breaktime in my offline real life and I like it so far though it is work…The rule is to give three compliments even if it’s excrutiating for every one time ya take a whack at someone…It’s fun to do…Really…
So I think all of you must have the best families and indeed have very healthy passions toward Fine Homebuilding. (like I said, it can be excrutiating to practice!)
Love, peace and grooviness to all…near the stream,
aj
Replies
*
b OK...then jest up a storm!!! but the vitriol???
Do we need the vitriol in any of the newly disguised forms?
I may start another filibuster if we can't crack this vitriolic streak the board is stuck in!...And the election tie isn't helping at all is it?!
near the stream,
aj
Love, peace and grooviness...
*AJ,Do we have to mean when we give those compliments?Another idea, of course, is to skip the whacks (in addition of course, to skipping the wacks.)Talking about ideas and ways of doing things is great, in my opinion; attacking the people with those ideas says more about the attacker than the attackee.Another vote here for civility!
*One more vote for civility. I like the 3 compliments to one whack, that's a nice rule (does that count for my first compliment?)A long time ago, 1986, when computer communication was in it's infacy, I made up my own rule for discussion via bits. Pretend you're Thomas Jefferson. Write it, re-read it, ask yourself, "Would Tom say that?" Maybe it's just something that works for me.by the stream of bits (imitation is flattery, and therefore a compliment, I'm up to two now!)
*Is civility possible?Not as long as you keep harping about it. AJ get a life. The 60's are over. You're the king of vitriol.Remember AJ, it was your post that got deleted for being pointless and stirring up trouble.And for the sake of everyone, move your drivel to the tavern, it has nothing to do with construction.Gabe
*I insist on public civility, but of the crap we've read here - Who cares? I don't, but several of the long-time visitors at this site apparently do. So...With all respect to you, Mr. adirondackJack, I think the Mr. Gabe Martel has it right on this one. Forget about it buddy. If all participants will just keep talking about construction related topics, this site will be performing the function for which it was designed. The rest of the crap is just a bunch of crap. My two cents.
*Gabe...You have a differing view than I often...Even to the point that I would prefer you and I to enjoy our differences and you prefer the opposite...And you are so right that I purposely posted a thread so as to cause it to be deleted. There is way more to it then you are privy to but that's not important really.About the location of this civility thread....First off, we are free to post here where we each choose to and it is not up to you last I knew to decide...Second...Civility ...I feel in life including at this board, that civility is of prime importance and not the subject of the Tavern...The tavern is for yakking about anything and hopefully just enjoying each other for our similarities and for our uniqueness and differences.For every force of nature, there seems to be an opposite...I will forever be for civility...And you may be forever against drivel...That's life and I am happily living with our differences as I'm sure you are too...Be you and be well fellow contractor.Very understanding of the fact that many many of us may not be for the civilty I am for...Hey....Be you and I'll be me...more streams to cross and bridges to build,aj
*Sometimes the guy that has the best answer is a cross, cranky, curmudgan. It teaches you two things, a little humilty as well as the answer. I don't mind at all if the answer is less then flowery. Far better to tolerate a little crankyness then to scare off some knowledgable people with this need for polite conversation. Yes, it was getting to carried away, but lets not throw the baby out with the bath water...
*George...It's easy to say what you just said...But you and Gabe are not following the track you are saying to follow!George...Here goes...Using your logic...You should have just past right by my thread being non construction...You didn't...You posted your opinion so as to "work the other side"...engaging in debate...You also are big on the "crap word" but not in jest, but to let me and others know in no uncertain terms that you really are passionately for civility not being discussed...So OK...your style is to be strong in opinions and not be concerned with being civil...Point taken...But if ya followed your own rules of conduct, we would not have had this debate...I wouldn't even know you had read this thread!...That being said, you can have your cake and eat it to...cause we all can...cause we are all human and not robots thank God!...Glad you posted and no problemo that you are not going to be interested in this thread further...being that you will just be passing it up.nearly completing one bridge across one stream,aj
*Excuse me Ken; but, by 1986 ("A long time ago, 1986, when computer communication was in it's infacy"), some of us had been 'computer communicating' for a more than a decade and a half (i.e. longer before 1986 than after). I already had a PC in my home doing 3270 emulation over a dial-in to our mainframe so that I could do my electronic mail at home. This was roughly the zeneith of the 1:1 terminal roll-out in the Fortune 500.
*Damn I wish the sun would come out!
*Frenchy...Your thoughts make some sense to me in that most agree that there is no need whatsoever for anyone to leave the site...And I for one love to learn and here others explain things different then my take...So now lets take cranky...cross...curmudgeon...(though I disagree they come hand in hand with best(?) answers and humility)...verses...civility...opinions...respect...some jesting...or lots of jesting amongst established buddies or rivals...I think if the vitriolic attitudes went with the bath water, ti wouldn't be missed by most of us...though I just speak for me.near another stream testing the waters,aj
*Hey AJ I'm with you , I've officially resigned from political discussions because of the ceaseless bickering and full circle arguements. On another note more civil, I think I'm gonna be heading up to Lake Placid for a few days to get some Rn'R. Gonna take a pit stop in LG. Where's the best place to get a burger? I'm familiar with the village, was probaly the tourist you hate on more than one fourth of july. But those drinking,dancin',camping days are gone and I'd like to experience it on a more positive note. Must be pretty about now. Let me know if you can. George A.
*Ya see AJ, this is why you're at the bottom of the food chain.Your post was never meant to be anything else but hurtful and without noble cause. It was unveiled for what it really was and now is gone.You insist on dragging this issue to death, just so you can feed your ego.Take it outside.Gabe
*I stand humbly corrected on my perception of a long time ago, Phill. With your years of experience in this area, have you garnered any civility tips you could share with us? Or should we just settle for this forum as being a reflection of the incivility of today's society?The 60's are dead?
*George...Give a holler on your way through my little town...The Garison just past Million Dollar Beach on Beach Road...The Brew Pub on the main drag if it is open when you roll through..Lake Placid is nice for a night and the view through Keen Valley is the best isn't it?.Near the stream and not far from all the action...ajWe love tourists by the way...I still consider myself one when I walk around town and grab an ice cream.
*Some of it seems to be the perception of the audience - I often write in "corporatese", a monotone of facts, which many people who haven't been there mistake for kurtness (it also means that when I do put in humour, people think it's serious). We also don't have a true feel for the audience, which is far more varied than exchanging notes with peers/collegues; everyone's listening to your conversation and people come out of the woodwork when you hit one of their hot-buttons; and, in the Tavern, the topics are usually emotionally charged before you even post. But the toughest thing seems to be to prevent oneself from getting fed up and retaliating: I know I've done that too many times. I honestly feel if we just stopped the childish profanity and name-calling we'd be there.
*Hi Gabe,You know Gabe...I am posting this quite calmly...My intent is not to be important here but to express my love of reasonably civil discourse. So you say I'm bottom of the food chain???? You are, like, way angry with me I take it...I guess the feelings are not mutual today...And I guess you are angrier the more I express my lack of need for it...So we are antagonististic opposites due to my low threshold for anger toward others...OK... I am willing to accept you for who you are...Listen Gabe...You make it clear repeatedly that you are not interested in my need for civility...so ignore this post if ya can, or if ya want, keep posting here all your vitriol...I am me and you are you...I'll ask you this Gabe...Is civility allowed or is it to be avoided...What do the site rules say about civility?But I still am going to be for posts of a more civil nature if possible for all of us in this community who prefer civility...And of course the heavy jesting is great as the color it adds is well enjoyed by all of us...(That is as long as it is just meant in fun and realized so!)We wouldn't be having this yak if ya just avoided this thread. I do appreciate your posts though as they are you and you have every right to post till your fingers fall off.Not thinking I am bottom of the food chain or a Barracuda...in the stream,aj
*OK...we need fun threads...humor...friendship...jester the molester...and some 2x4 yak...How many breaktime posts does it take to learn how to screw in a light bulb?...Dozens and even hundreds if it has to be installed in a hip roof!Any good jokes out there besides my civility being the biggest joke around here?fishing for way more humor...up and down the stream,aj
*Yeah AJ your right. I was standing on the lake last Feb.14 looking back through the High Peaks at sunset. What a sight. That's why I'm bringing a camera this time, just want to capture some of that on film. When I roll through I'll give you a shout. Thanks for the travel guide.
*Dear Mr. adirondackJack
View Image © 1999-2000"He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you." Friedrich W. Nietzsche
*Translation.I have a Dictionary.It's comprehension I have trouble with.
*
View Image © 1999-2000"He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you." Friedrich W. Nietzsche
*Joe...I know you get it...And the idea is it works two ways...ie...less smash in your face...will get less calls for civility.If you look at all of our tangles...you will see that you have relentlessly played the roll of face smasher...And you will find me and dozens and dozens of others posting in reaction...What should our reaction be?...you push...we get pushed...plain old physics.We do agree on one thing...You are a consistant with your "smash it in your face" persona...and I am consistently not impressed positively.Near the stream giving as much respect as I can muster,ajCompliment time...the pics are interesting...Looks like a rewarding project.
*
View Image © 1999-2000"The first step towards vice is to shroud innocent actions in mystery, and whoever likes to conceal something sooner or later has reason to conceal it." Aristotle
*Aj, civility is possible and it starts with you.blue
*My belief is that you can't have civility without true honesty and respect and you loose on both counts.You probably have the record for most posts on this board and fewest with any real construction content.Time to land, AJ, you've got lots of fuel but your oxygen is running low.Gabe
*Phill, nice words. I rarely get caught up in "corporatese", although I must confess, I have not noticed it in your posts. I'm wondering if incivility is kind of like pornography, difficult to define, but you know it when you see it? Each community to their own.I liked your reference to the Tavern very much. That would seem to me to be very much the place for ... hmmm ... don't have a good word at the ready. Very much a good place for a thread like this?The 60's are dead?
*Joe Fusco,You have a lot of gall preaching civility. Check you archives. I'm sure you saved every confrontational moment here on your hard drive so you could savor your self proclaimed victories. To bad no one else proclaimed them as a victory for you. But you'll never know, or care.I'm sure you'll pass me off again as Bozo or Jerk as that is your way over the history of Breaktime. Don't hold back, you know you have to give to me with both guns. I know you want to. However, you claim to want to be the "glass smooth" guy or something like that? We all know it's just a matter of time before that facade falls by the way. Yar who yar are, as Mr Geo. Carpenter once told me when I was new here. Maybe you should email Andy and tell him I dissed you. Just a suggestion for you, now that you are our official "watch dog".Ed. WilliamsAndy, Sorry buddy, but it's tough to sit by and not say nothin'. The law sez you can't drive by a car wreck. You have to render aid.Ed.
*Ed, don't get your blood pressure up. You told me that Joe was hopeless and you were kinda right. Everyone that regularly visits a board like this does so for various reasons. I come to learn, to chat with fellow tradesmen, and also somitimes share a secret or two. Some come to argue and debate. Some come to socialize.It has occurred to me that some come to antagonize, to draw others into a name calling mud slinging verbal war. If you carefully review the last two weeks of "debate" between Joe Fusco and myself, you will notice that he avoided a direct response to any pertinent fact or question, and that he included some sort of slanderous comment on most replies. His only interest was to engage me in a name calling tit-for-tat exchange. If he called me a moron, I was supposed to call him and idiot. Then, he gleefully could up the ante until all out vulgarity was raging.In short, by replying, I was feeding his insatiable appetite for an ugly exchange. Indeed, as soon as I offered an olive branch, he become silent. He has no interest in a friendly discussion.Look at Gabe's posts to me for the last six months. You will not find a single civil post to me. Gabe is the same as Joe. They are two of a kind. This thread is proof. Aj starts a thread that anyone could identify with, and Gabe comes in and calls him an insulting name for wanting civility. It's no wonder wars start!So Ed, why am I telling you this? To help you sit by and say nothing. Your silence will anger Joe to distraction. Aj is feeding Gabe right now and you are beginning to feed Joe. Let's face it, you are not going to change either one. They both get enormous satisfaction from angering others. Simpy hold your tongue and save your normally excellent posts for those that will accept them for what they are worth. There is no need to enlighten the other readers about Joe, Gabe, or anyone else like them. There own words pigeonhole themselves as angry, jealous wannabes. I have never read a post by them, that attacked someone and agreed with them. And I doubt that you've ever agreed with them when they were telling me that I'm an idiot and don't know anything about roofs or whatever. In short, their childish mentality has rendered their opinions as meaningless.I participate in a couple other sports forums (soccer reffing). There is one fella in there that posts just like Joe and Gabe. I rarely read his posts. I usually read the replies to his posts and if it sounds like a defensive post, I skip out immediately.Don't waste your bytes.blue
*Gabe,I definitely have the most posts about behavior...And I am tiring of myself even in that vain...I always felt a balancing force has been lacking when the flames get nuts here...No one appreciates flames...not you, or I...About construction..You got to be kidding!!!...Respect...Mike has mine...Sonny....Gene...Ken...blue...and if I checked my email list, another seventy five names...all emailing out of a good interest...I do have emails about flames that are not nice but they are just a couple...How can I gain your respect Gabe if you aren't willing to tone down your persona and meet me half way?...Communication is about communing with another and that's about understanding another with an open willingness...and more psycho blah blah...So while you continue to berate....it is you that controls our ability to get along...not I.I am willing...near the stream paddling half way,aj
*blue...Leading blue...near the blue stream,ajI just did a major edit!...I think you are agreeing...
*Mr Blue, Mr Ed(dot),
View Image © 1999-2000"He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you." Friedrich W. Nietzsche
*I'm not as strange as you might think AJ. And I'm not implying that you are uncivil. We all have our uncivil moments. And most of us try to keep them to a minimum.But I should explain since you seemed to take it wrong. Civility starts with you, and me, and Ken, and phil and whoever else embraces the concept. You really don't need to plead for civility, you simply have to practice it. By the way, I don't think the people in Palm Beach are dummies. I simply think they made a mistake. But they are making a bigger mistake by demanding a re-vote. That makes them look like dummies. Sensible people realize that they made a mistake and take steps to eliminate that mistake again. Protesting however is a conscience decision. Only a dummie would step up to a mike and claim that the government make them goof their ballot and that they should be given another chance. blue
*Hehehehe, too late for the edit. I am agreeing though AJ.blue
*Ed...blue...Joe...you all owe us three good jokes for everytime ya fly off the handle...you know....Matt...the guy at the door...no arms no leg jokes...repaddling up the stream just up from the waterfall,aj
*Blue...If I had a brain I could repost my edit so as to match this up...but it's gone!...thanks anyway...Hey I really am not gonna take swipes for awhile at the boys..and try to somehow meet them halfway...I may have to go hang in NYC and set a roof properly for Joe and then go to Canada with my laser grader and help Gabe save a ton a money leveling ice rinks...Gabe...If I saved you your entire labor budget for leveling...what would that be worth and would you possibly then believe I have a few construction braincells worthy of this great board?paddling up the St Lawrence after going down the Hudson,aj
*I have a funny one Aj.Maybe it's not a joke but rather an observation:I think that the voters in Palm county that double punched their ballot should step forward and be known. Then, they should have to sit out the next election since they've already used up one too many of their Presidetial votes!Okay, now for the compliments: 1) all those of you who read my Boogerin' posts are smart. 2) all of you who understood my Boogerin' posts are smarter. 3) all of you who didn't think my Boogerin' thread was 200 posts of mediocre drivel are smarter than the two meanies.I love complimenting you guys!bluePs. Sorry, I must be listening to too much talk radio lately (Rush, Howard, etc.)
*Say it again , blue! I have been here for about a year. I read more than I post, most often because the advise I would give has already been given ( and at the speed I type I have to be selective about the things I respond to.) I know most of you better than you know me. I have been a carpenter for 22 years, and some summers before that while in college. I come here to share ideas, learn, and when I'm able, to share some of my knowlege. I spend alot less time here than many of you, but feel I know some of you quite well.AJ, you blew me away with the string post, Andy did well to delete it. I thought it was tasteless ( in a delicious way) and was raked off the bottom of the stream at its muckiest point. I think this thread has turned sour as a result. Some of you guys hold grudges like I can't believe! It didn't take too for me to figure out who among you I would seek out for employment if I were to relocate to another area. It also didn't take me too long to figure out who to avoid, on and off this board.AJ, good thoughts to begin this thread, but remember, sometimes it's better to leave a thread (even if you started it ) than to get sucked into the muck at the bottom of the stream (or the thread). I would (respectfully) suggest that you may have avoided more muck had you titled your thread differently and perhaps begun it in another way as well. AJ, as you well know, some here have a hair trigger, and you need to put the tweezer away for awhile. When you hold a nail, the guys with the hair triggers see half a tweezer pulling on their triggers, and they go off. (I think I need help with my metaphors)trying to stay out of the whirlpool... Steve
*Aj, you have more than a few braincells worthy of this great board. You don't need Gab's approval to be recognized as a specialist with specialized skills. Personally I'd be honored to watch you do your thing and learn a few things from you. I haven't ever heard Gabe post anything that he's done. He's a white hat, stuffed shirt. Take away his men, and see what would get done?Squat.Period.I admire doers and Gab surrounds himself with doers. He's smart enough to do that, or someone has supplied him with the contractor's list and he simply arranges them. Big deal. I turned down that job doing luxury homes many years ago at a pretty substantial pay too.I do have respect for those builders in here that recognize the skillful tradesmen and honestly respect their abilities. I've worked for many different superintendents in my day, and I can smoke out the condescending ones in a heartbeat. Gab thinks that because he's not being beat up every day, that he is liked and respected onsite. Experience tells me that guys with his attitude are generally despised and tolerated. I've tolerated many a' stupid super and the super thinks I'm on his side. I simply do what I have to and just get the job done to earn my pay. The stupid superintentdent is still stupid, no matter how good I do my job.I'm sure you've worn those shoes.Aj, don't look for validation and acceptance from below. Keep you head high.blue
*Good post SteveG.blue
*Steve I'm with you, I pretty much have figured out who to avoid responding to by now even though I read their threads. By responding to certain people you just open yourself up to the same BS that they seem to throw out every time. It's not easy but it just isn't worth the time and effort. I won't single anyone out,but it's like tv , people have the right to say anything , if you don't like it ,change the channel or don't respond . What I will admit though is some of the threads with the most bickering and name calling are the funniest ones to read.
*I'm laughing and enjoying all of the last few posts here...Tanks for the good tidbits of insite and the too generous condiments...errr...i mean compliments...One thing George about the channel changing....Very very often the others are the ones that have tuned into our channels...This is a form of content hijacking and sorta like a gorilla warfare take over...you know the kind with raped nuns and slashed priests laying all over the landscape...What say you is the answer to thread invasions...pack up in leave...Hire Robin Williams to lighten up the mob...or Call Oli North? ...Are we voting for the fat gay guy?...on the island,aj
*SteveG, I got to admit, your metaphors went over my head, pretty much. All I can say is, The 60's are dead?George, I know what you mean about the flames being some of the most interesting to read. Kind of like a car wreck on a highway. You just gotta look. I think that's because much soul is shown in those posts, but that's just an opinion.I'm amazed I've posted as much as I have to this thread, preferring on this forum to mostly learn (mentioned by blue) by listening to experts in this field, experts I've respected, including the guy that said the 60's are dead. The 60's are dead?
*And so are the rest of the decades of yore following that logic....Some of my best friends still practice many of the best rituals of the past decades though....Some burning plant matter...near their streams,ajKeep the weeds down out there...
*AJ , you don't have to pack up and leave, this is the beauty of not being face to face but keypad to keypad, read the thread ,ignore and do not respond or give answers to someones BS within your response, and continue with the person or thread you care about. It's hard not to get sucked into it, I'm just as guilty as the next guy, but if we feed into the bad vibe it perpetuates.
*George...ignoring....is the prime means used by ninety percent here...ignoring accepts the behavior....When I am posted to...I respond...I am at present being my normal self and calling for civility and being as complimentary and civil as my keyboard knows how.I enjoy posting here and not just to here my own voice, but to be an active member of this and any community I am part of. I am an extrovert by nature and enjoy life and hanging out with all walks of life. There is no need for those that choose to ignore to do any differently...It is best for them and good for the board too...Thanks to all that just avoid this and all related threads and thanks for all the emails!Lovin life paddlin and piddling on the stream and off,aj
*Point well made. I agree. Civility by example perhaps???
*Exactly...Off to paddle on a local stream,aj
*(reply to # 29)Hey Blue,You're right, gotta watch myself every now and then. The funny thing is how AJ has been seen as protaganistic these days. This guy was here when I signed on this sight a long time ago, and he has posted great advice and information on too many subjects to count. I'm not out to blow his horn, but he has been a great contributor to this forum, but his efforts to respond (as well as mine) to the boy with the blue type has got him labeled wrong. AJ's last remark that I read about ignoring the problem rings true. Ignoring IS acceptance. By taking a corse of no action, you don't solve the problem, and the problem is never resolved. Therefore you have accepted the problem and it continues.I think the one thing that most of us who know him well can say is that Fusco is not well. He has a sick need of some sort that is fueled by this forum. I do indeed think that a lot less time would be spent on the subject if he were not an issue with soooo many people here.Hopefully, Andy will be true to his word. I know Fusco will raise his ugly head soon as he has so many times in the past. He can't help it. What's the old saying? "A wise man can pretend to be a fool, but a fool cannot pretend to be a wise man." Then maybe we will have some peace around here.I don't have three jokes, but everytime I post to a subject like this, I go back through the thread headings and try to find at least two construction post to give my two cents to. That's what this place is for and without Fusco to distract us, that's what it will be again someday.Regards,Ed.
*Ed...I finally have a new construction project worthy of yakking about here...It starts soon.I'll see you over in business and construction folders...Thanks for being quite Civil in your post here...You know what would be really nice...The poster of a thread having a choice of edit control of his thread. Then if all heck breaks out...he just takes back his thread with the delete button.Entering another stream,aj
*See ya there AJ.near the new truck.......Ed.
*Mr. Blue,This is you first reply to me. I've colored coded for clarity. It's also important to point at that I never said a word to you before this reply. It's quite clear who the antagonist is/was and a whole slue of really neat words that I can't use anymore.
View Image © 1999-2000"He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you." Friedrich W. Nietzsche
*Well Joe, if you think that the above post is antagonistic, then I think you need to visit a dictionary. There isn't one single sentence in there that would offend me. If it offends you...tough.blue
*Mr Blue,
View Image © 1999-2000"The first step towards vice is to shroud innocent actions in mystery, and whoever likes to conceal something sooner or later has reason to conceal it." Aristotle
*blue and joe...This is my thread....Ya got it!?...No highjacking to scream at each other...As to blues post...I am as blue...seeing that blue is just commenting on a series of your posts...I also am starting to realize how extremely sensitive you and Gabe are to others. So it is this sensitivity that we are all not realizing...You see Joe...most people expect those who talk the talk, to be able to easily take what's tossed at them right back...And most of us aren't even coming close to tossing the hand grenades that we see flying around this site...In your mind, we have to just appreciate all that you write, or we must be attacking you and hence must be attacked back and slayed with all the power of words that can be mustered...Hate...debasement...rediculing...The big canons...This post is not supposed to be a scud missile attack on ya Joe...or Gabe...It is just chatting about our reasons for being or not being civil with each other and not wanting to show respect.Hey...You guys are required to tell some jokes and compliments...Joe...I bet you're one well hung stud...Gabe & Blue...you too...paddling into the fires of hell,aj
*Joe, I'll be glad to put the issue up for public scrutiny. I'll abide by the vote of public opinion. I say that there is nothing antagonistic in there. You say otherwise. I asked for an explanation and tried to clearly explain my difficulty using your method. If I was missing something, it was up to you to explain it. I wasn't missing anything. Your method was flawed.blue
*Mr Blue,
View Image © 1999-2000"More than any time in history mankind faces a crossroads. One path leads to despair and utter hopelessness, the other to total extinction. Let us pray that we have the wisdom to choose correctly." Woody Allen
*Hey joe, I didn't change the topic. You obvioulsy read everything with a huge chip on your shoulder. If anyone dares to ask a question about anything you say, you go nutso. In the post that you chased, I am asking a question. The question is not easily understood without some type of basis for my confusement. You chose to hear antagonism in the question. Well too bad. There wasn't any intended. I was actually amazed that you actually believe a 7.something/ 12 is an 8 /12. I'm still amazed today that you don't understand it.Like I said. Tough cookies.It's too bad your ignore button is broke. Maybe someone can help you fix it? Try Gabe, he seems to be your only ally.blue
*Maybe being more objective would help with civility. Hank Reardon or Dagney Taggart never flamed anyone....and I couldn't help but love them.
*Mr Blue,
View Image © 1999-2000"More than any time in history mankind faces a crossroads. One path leads to despair and utter hopelessness, the other to total extinction. Let us pray that we have the wisdom to choose correctly." Woody Allen
*Dunno Joe, I have read it several times over now, and although I wouldn't consider it totaly unantagonistic, I have to say, I don't see anything there that is worth getting a rise about.
*AJ I have often thought about that. Except then some really good posts get deleted because of some twerp. Better perhaps if the origonal poster is able to send the whole thread to the archives with a last say as to why?
*Blue,Take your own advice and stop feeding the baby. I'm tired of listening to him cry. I think he's got colic or something, so stop feeding him. Ed. Williams
*Bingo Mark,Hey....maybe we could have threads by invitation only!!!!....All can read but only listed guests could "speak"....Wow!...I may have to patent this whole idea!!!!!!! The thread author would have full access to edit and delete...but not to rewrite...bleep control...etc.Note the date of this post...I declare that it is my idea to develop new software for net chatting that will give new controls to it's members...A patent is now pending....Licensing will soon be available.near the green stream,aj
*So noted AJ. Can I be famous by association ?
*All bulldogs are noted.....My cat is a little rankled though that I am chatting with a dog...With a tiger near my stream,aj
*Cool, this feels good, thanks.
*Joe, one of the most striking features of the angry guy in the soccer reffing forum is not so surprisingly similar to you. You both want to speak for me. You try to tell the world what I think and say.Why don't you search the achives for a few days and prove that i "it bug's the crap out of you that I lead and you follow, LOL."Joe, your suffereing from a classic case of projection. Get to the Doc asap. You'll be happier for it.Remember...angermgmt.com,blue
*Thank you for reminding me Ed. It's so easy to get caught up in it. It's unbelievable how easy it is.Thanks again.blue
*Aj, that sounds like and IRC channel. It's a form of moderator. It doesn't work. It's too boring. blue
*Mr Blue,
View Image © 1999-2000"The first step towards vice is to shroud innocent actions in mystery, and whoever likes to conceal something sooner or later has reason to conceal it." Aristotle
*blue...It would most definitely work....Here's Why...My new to be patented system would allow the thread authors one time when starting a thread to have it be moderated or not...So essentially you would be happy choosing to be unmoderated and I could choose either depending on whatever reason I may have at the time....I really like this idea...It's just like what I proposed for My lake in regard to time waterski and time to sit on a porch quietely enjoying motorless activity.It would work and could make us all very content and free to particapate,aj
*Mr. Blue,This is your first reply to me. I've colored coded for clarity.
First you say this reply was not antagonist then well maybe a little. You ask why I laugh at you. . .Your words were most condescending and spoken as though you were an ABSOLUTE expert. . . Now that's laughable. . . . . View Image © 1999-2000"He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you." Friedrich W. Nietzsche
*Joe...you...blue...me...Ken...we all have checked each others ideas...math...and methods...We are debating each others posted methods...Not I repeat not the messenger...It is very clear now that you are sensitive to debating your methods by the way you then jump down someones throat, thinking it was done to you first. Sorry, but it is not true...Think about it...How is anyone to debate another without saying "my way is this way and your way makes no sense to most of the people I ever worked with in the trades. Here's the examples of where we differ....blah blah..."Joe...We all really enjoy your posts...We all do not enjoy any one of us being vitriolic...We all know when another loong timer is jesting for fun and when it has gone South and is all anger...I think if you and blue and I were to get together we would really enjoy the meeting...Talking 2x4s is obviously enjoyable to all of us and is the common thread that should ultimately bind us in brotherhood...As I keep asking now for going on two years, lets do our best to act civily and work at getting along.we all near the same stream,aj
*Mr. adirondackJack,
View Image © 1999-2000"He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you." Friedrich W. Nietzsche
*Joe...I feel like we are closing in on this bear....I am not for acrimony...You're methods have their place...rude is no fun...and of course...civil...has nothing to do with agreeing....paddling the same stream,aj
*Amen, Jesse, and all aboard!
*I may get this statement stuffed down my throat...but it looks like civility is back.civil enough for me...near the stream,ajThis thread is toast.
*AJWon't work, won't work, won't work, won't work, won't work, won't work, won't work, won't work, won't work, won't work, won't work, won't work, won't work, won't work, won't work, won't work, won't work, won't work, won't work, won't work, won't work, won't work, won't work, won't work, won't work!blue
*Aj, I don't think I would enjoy a visit with you and Joe. I'd enjoy a visit with you, but I would hate to pull out my suit of armor for the visit with Joe. I've learned a long time ago to avoid ugly situations.Anyways Aj, do you think the post to Joe was antagonistic? Luka already said it was "nothing to get a rise out of". I thought I sprinkled in enough humor to effectively say "hey, check the math fella"!But what do I know? It's the same old story of the younger "feel good" generation. You can't criticize anything about them. If they are about to run their fingers through the table saw, due to their own stupidity of holding something wrong, I would have to let them cut their fingers off rather than correct them.Oh well. Let the kids have their way!blue
*Blue...as Gore said to Bush....You don't have to get snippy...We all talk logically and hear emotionally..Soon off to the warm stream of the hottub,aj
*See...now if I had edit control, I could turn off your posting rights and write...Ynuck ynuck ynuck....Yahoo!!!..to the stream that overflows!ajb but I wouldn't!!!!...Too much fun...readin the comebacks!
*
By now
b all of you must know I tire easily of the vitriol
...So now it seems to be Andy has had to step in and no one has even skipped a beat...typical human ways...but time hopefully will smooth things out some...
So I know we all get bored to tears when it gets too chummy here, but...Is it possible for us to enjoy those we enjoy on the board and just stay away from ripping at those we don't?...yes...but of course it is our individual right to chose...
I have been trying a new rule out I heard here at Breaktime in my offline real life and I like it so far though it is work...The rule is to give three compliments even if it's excrutiating for every one time ya take a whack at someone...It's fun to do...Really...
So I think all of you must have the best families and indeed have very healthy passions toward Fine Homebuilding. (like I said, it can be excrutiating to practice!)
Love, peace and grooviness to all...near the stream,
aj