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   SamT | Mar 30, 2004 10:30pm | #1

   >>Part of that keys (I am who ask about the re-keying 3000 doors) will be electronic access, such us card pad, keypad or similar device. They are around 200 and they are conected to the existing network and fire panels on each building. Can somebody can help me with this?????

   Help how? Bidding, installing or do you need help knowing what they are??? (|:>)

   SamT

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   DanH | Mar 30, 2004 10:45pm | #2

   That's a whole 'nother ball game. You can be talking stand-alone key panels that run coupla hundred (plus another coupla hundred for the electric latch) or you can be talking an integrated system with dedicated wiring, a $10K or better central unit, etc.

   For that you need a con$ultant.

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   amenichel | Mar 30, 2004 11:10pm | #3

   Thank you Dan!!!!!

   Sure I have my assesors but I want to be there with an idea of numbers. Anyway this numbers that you gave me are + or - what I am thinking.

   Adrian

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   OneofmanyBobs | Mar 31, 2004 12:27am | #4

   I did one of those once.  You have electric strikes already or need to install them?  Strikes are like $100 plus installation.  Keypads or prox card readers are $50 to $100 plus install.  The central system is around $1000.  Sub-panels in each building.  Sometimes several if the building is big.  You need a dedicated computer to program and monitor it.  Cards are $5 or $10 each if you do cards.  Pulling all the cable is pain.  The system must be hooked to the fire alarms to unlock all doors in case of fire.  Either that or panic bars.  Complete wild guess: $60K for new system and 30K to replace if all wiring and strikes is already there.

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   junkhound | Mar 31, 2004 04:39am | #6

   Cards are $5 or $10 each if you do cards

    

   HUH??  Lotsa hotels I go to never even mention if you forget to give a card back, figured them as low as 3 or 4 cents each, they sure don't miss billing a .40 - $1.22  local phone call!

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   OneofmanyBobs | Mar 31, 2004 06:28am | #7

   Different kind of cards.  Hotels use paper or plastic ones with a magnetic stripe.  You have to stuff them in a slot and pull them out.  They wear out quickly and can be read and counterfeited easily.  Same sort that are used for subway fares and a few other things.  Only cost a couple cents but are not suitable for more secure and permanent access control.  Some systems will even memorize and use your credit card rather than a special card.

   The ones I'm talking about are proximity cards.  You don't have to wipe them through a reader, just get within an inch or two.  Durable but expensive.  Cannot be duplicated.  Usually worn on a neck chain along with your other security and ID badges.  You just lean over and get the card near the reader and it unlocks.  Don't need your hands free if you're carying something.  Lots of different brands and technologies available.  Passive cards, smart cards, magnetic, infrared,  etc.  Hotel locks only lock from the outside.  Just turn the knob on the inside.  Commercial systems often lock both ways.  Need a card to enter or exit.  Its an access monitoring system as well as a lock.  Then they have to get tied into the fire alarms to unlock automatically.  Gets complicated.  But, these are most often used for commercial systems rather than the cheaper magnetic stripe cards.

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   sungod | Mar 31, 2004 03:17am | #5

   Find out where all the Hotels and motels get there magnetic card locks.  The locks fit standard doors and they are all over the place.