2 part story:
Following is an email I sent to Loctite… self explanatory I think.
To Whom it may concern:
I am a construction contractor in <!—-><!—-> <!—->Connecticut<!—-><!—-> with a strong background in engineering. I have used Loctite products many many times for applications in construction as well as electronics and have always felt your brand name assured me of superior quality control and reliability. <!—-><!—-> <!—->
A recent experience however has greatly damaged this trust, and may influence my future purchases as well as recommendations. We are completing fabrication of a concrete countertop, a very involved process that represents days of mold making and finishing the concrete to a unique surface. Unfortunately in the process of this, one corner of the countertop had a large chip knocked out, which I was confident could be repaired by filling and sanding the area with an appropriate epoxy. <!—-> <!—->
I went to a local Home Depot and purchased your concrete epoxy which stated “cured color: metallic grey” – perfect for my application. Upon getting back to my shop, I found the tube to be defective. One component (the white one )was brown and hardened in the dispenser. I drove back and exchanged it and upon return to my shop this too was no good. A third trip to buy a tube with a different batch number and I thought I was all set. This third tube did in fact dispense properly. However, upon mixing the epoxy (done very carefully to ensure correct proportioning) it was black. I remixed, got the same results and thought “Loctite surely knows their product, it must cure grey”. Needless to say it does not. I now have to come up with a solution to color the patched area to approximate the grey tinted concrete or discard a very expensive piece of work. (Note, I did come up with a great solution if anyone here ever has this kind of issue)<!—-> <!—->
To say I am deeply disappointed in both the quality control and labeling of this product would be a dramatic understatement. I hope this is an isolated case, but I can’t say my trust in Loctite products will ever be the same. <!—-> <!—->
Sincerely, <!—-> <!—->
Paul Berendsohn
President<!—-> <!—->
Berendsohn Brothers, LLC <!—-><!—->
Part 2:
Although I told them on the phone not to bother, I recieved a FedEx’d replacement tube this morning. Also defective in all the ways mentioned in my letter… unbelievable.
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This past weekend I had to use 6 packages of Loctite Marine Epoxy. In 2 of those packages, the white was semi hardened and I was only able to squeeze out half the package. Funny timing seeing your post.
To play devil's advocate for a second...
I'm not totally familiar with the product but does the white portion have a shelf life that Home Depot is exceeding? Maybe it's sitting in the store too long which would make it HD's issue and not Loctites.
If they sent him a tube in the mail, its doubtfull that loctite would go to HD to buy it. Its possible they are sitting in their inventory too long, or giving them too long a shelf life.. or something inbetween.. for once, it might not be HD's fault
last week bought about 6 large tubes of PL..one was
bad, same batch.
annoying...
Personally, I don't hold HD responsible at all... If Loctite is sending this direct from their warehouse they obviously have a problem. Not to mention calling it "charcoal grey" when it's black as coal...
Paul,
Have you ever tried any products by Abatron?
That might be something to research.
Yeah I have to try some of their stuff out. I think I used some potting compound from them years ago. A shame really, because Loctite is so readily accessable but this is just stupid...
Not to mention calling it "charcoal grey" when it's black as coal...
Have you ever seen a charcoal grey chalkstripe suit? It's black as coal, too...Charcoal *is* for all intents and purposes black. I suppose it's not quite as black as soot or lampblack, but still. I don't know why they bother calling it grey, but it's a convention. Not to minimize the other quality control problem, but as color goes, I think it's just an unfortunate color naming convention.Rebeccah
Not to quibble Rebeccah, but the reason I bought this was the color, as opposed to other of their products which are labeled as black. Maybe I expect too much but I owned and ran one of the largest photo labs in the Northeast until quite recently and if one of my techs told me he couldn't tell charcoal grey from black, I'd send him out for an eye exam.
(Here's the only convenient Pantone reference I could find... http://www.agonswim.com/custom/customColors.cfm )
Edited 1/5/2006 5:03 pm ET by PaulBinCT
OK, having awkwardly raised the point that charcoal grey is very very dark, I will concede that it's quite possible that the glue was black, and not charcoal grey. You're in a better position to evaluate that, both because of your background and because you've actually seen the product.Rebeccah
No harm, no foul Rebeccah ;) I'm just really cranky over this whole debacle. If I hadn't salvaged it (even though it's now going in the dump) I would've truly pitched a major fit...
PaulB
When you saw that it mixed up black you should have let it cure first to see if it changed to an acceptable color before you applied it to a very expensive work piece.
You may have a gripe about how they named the color but you saw it wasn't exactly what you wanted before you applied it.
Sorry, can't see your side on this one.
"All men's miseries derive from not being able to sit in a quiet room alone." Pascal
Believe me cat, I kicked myself many times over exactly that point. Frankly I was less bent over the color, which I worked around, then getting two defective tubes (three counting the one they sent). You're absolutely right though... no issue (teaches me againnnnnnnnn not to rush ;) )
PaulB
I've been there.
Are you really gonna haul the old one to the dump?
"All men's miseries derive from not being able to sit in a quiet room alone." Pascal
Up to the client really... she said they love it but they don't think they chose the right color. They even talked about using it outside as a birdbath :S
If they're gonna heave it, I may cut a section out to show prospects what concrete can look like, really came out very sharp.
PaulB
For stupidity sake, I must say that as an art major in college white and black are not colors, they are technically "shades".
The primary colors are red yellow and blue, from which you can not obtain true black or white.
I know this has little to do with anything, but it occured to me.
More non-meaningful input: Black and white are commonly know as colors in the real world, just as bucaneer is synamous with pirate. In the original meaning, a bucaneer is "one who cooks over an open flame", thus Tampa Bay Bar-b-quers.
white isn't a color ... or a shade ...
it's the absence of color.
while black .... is all colors ... mixed together.
Jeff Buck Construction
Artistry In Carpentry
Pittsburgh Pa
white isn't a color ... or a shade ...<!----><!----><!---->
it's the absence of color.<!----><!---->
while black .... is all colors ... mixed together.<!----><!---->
Not according to the Art Professors at University of Memphis in Memphis, and Lambuth College in Jackson, TN.
You mention colors in your profile. What is the differance in your hair color listed as Curly Brown and your eye color listed as Lovely Brown? I searched the Sherwin Williams and (being that you are a "Pittsburger") Pittsburg Paints website color charts but could not find either shade of the browns you mention.
I also saw that you are not employed as an art professor, but have run an ad for work "Hire me I am worth it" Maybe you could get a job teaching art at the aforementioned schools, given their exemplory teachings (listed in my post) on white and black in contrast to your knowledge.
Hey Professor, I have some questions, being that my education is in question, and after your input I no longer trust those hillbilly professors.
What color is the air?
Is clear an absence of color, a color a shade or something else?
If clear is an absense of color, why is it not white? Or, maybe it is white (unless you live in LA).
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txlandlord,
I would ask my Dad--- but he has had a stroke and wouldn't actually be able to give the lecture again
however---he put 6 kids through 12 years of private school as a working, professional artist
I believe what he once told me---is that color, light and atmosphere---are all related
in the visible light spectrum---black is the abscence of any color, white is the presence of all color( counter intuitive and the reverse of mixing crayolas LOL)------ also---when you see something---a red shirt for example---what you are ACTUALLY seeing is every color EXCEPT red---something about what is reflected back to you and what is absorbed by the object
the ability to paint light qualities---atmosphere---- is what seperates students and professors from the VERY few real masters---especially in say Impressionism------a student may do a very pretty picture----but something is missing---what's missing is the ability to paint the qualities of light
Now------any factual mistakes I made---are due to my poor memory and lack of education--------- not Dads' lecture since he is un-able to defendhimself LOL,
Best wishes, Stephen
Hiya Stephen...
There's a lot of misinterpretation and the like in this thread I think, but you're very close on one point. When you see red, it's because all colors EXCEPT red are absorbed, whether by reflection or transmission. White is the reflection or transmission of the entire spectrum, likewise black is the absorption of all wavelengths. Of course then there's blackbody radiation...but that's another thread ;)
(Sorry to hear about your Dad, btw... I hope he's comfortable at least)
PaulB
Paul,
LOL---that sounds a lot like the lecture-----
He also---well once we were watching a movie on TV and a carriage went by on the screen---looked like the carriage spokes were spinning backwards---well--he explained why THAT was as well---- but I couldn't quite follow that lecture either.
RE-- the stroke------ for an artist---well it's quite simply horrifying.
Ya know---an athlete( or even a dumb roofer)----as ya age you can no longer do exactly what you once did---or do it as well---- but you know that's coming and there is some acceptance---and you can still watch games on tv, follow sports in the paper( or work as a contractor--directing the work of others)
but an artist----well once the stroke hits---and you can no longer controll the brush, or see well, or talk well, or get coherent thoughts together---and you live year after year after year after year---trapped in your own body-----well you are well and truly ef, ewe, see, kayed
If THAT doesn't depress you--- let me tell you about a draftsman I knew back in the late 1970's---who came down with Parkinsons disease----------
Best wishes,
Stephen
Stephen - If you keep posting like that, we'll have to get your name changed to 4LORN2! Now, cut it out. :-)
Don K.
EJG Homes Renovations - New Construction - Rentals
Wikipedia has a pretty good intro to color:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIE_1931_color_space
Do a google search for:
CIE chromaticity 1931
and you'll get lots more references.
The whole thing about primary colors depends on whether you're using an additive or subtractive system.
Additive things, like LED's and the phosphors on a TV set, combine light from red, green, and blue sources.
Subtractive things, like movie film and paint, absorb colors out of white light to leave only the desired ones.
Red and green make yellow.
Green and blue make cyan.
Blue and red make magenta.
A yellow filter absorbs blue, and passes red and green. Stack it up with a magenta filter, which absorbs green but passes red and blue, and the only thing that gets thru is red. That's why yellow, cyan, and magenta are the subtractive primaries.
-- J.S.
Holy Crap - Haz. My dad was an artist, too. He wanted me to follow other paths, which is a good thing, because I'm not too creative.Birth, school, work, death.....................
http://grantlogan.net/
"What is the differance in your hair color listed as Curly Brown and your eye color listed as Lovely Brown?"
ahh ...
my hair is a darker brown ...
and my eye's are a deeper brown.
chicks dig both.
they're not listed in the SW site because I bought both shades at a different paint store.
btw ... my HS and college art professors can beat up your HS and college professors!
Jeff
Buck Construction
Artistry In Carpentry
Pittsburgh Pa
btw ... my HS and college art professors can beat up your HS and college professors!
Further consideration is needed here before we set up the match, my HS and college professors are Tennesse Hillbillies and Tennesse Volunteers, whose ancestors were call "wild eyed devils" by the Mexican Army at the Alamo.
Since you are issuing the challenge, I pick the venue: moutains and woods of Tennessee.
Do a search for Davy Crockett of that era and Sergent York of WW1 fame.
actually ... the HS teacher ... Mr "Mon." ... forget the whole name ... that was the time honored nick name ..... was a firly stout heavy drinker ... stood about 6'6" or so ...
big guy ... I only saw the "happy drunk side" ... as he was at least tipsy 90% of class time ... but from what I understood ... he was one hell of a bar room brawler on weekends!
I'll track him down ... U go dig up Davey Crocket ... we'll sell some of my guys artwork for gas money ... and Let's Get It On!
Jeff Buck Construction
Artistry In Carpentry
Pittsburgh Pa
You are a riot....lets just get together for a beer and laugh...the way you think....sounds like we could have some fun
"the way you think"
the way I drink too! Either way ... it'll be entertaining ...
Count me in ... we come down there ... I'm requesting brisket.
Jeff
Buck Construction
Artistry In Carpentry
Pittsburgh Pa
Come on down for the Super Bowl Party. I am from Memphis, so you will get Memphis Style slow smoked pork ribs and some slow smoked bar-b-que chicken....much better than traditional Texas brisket as verified by many Texans.
Super Bowl Party menu: We start with 60 Grasshoppers and 60 brosche shrimp as apetizers (see recipe below). Main course is 4 - 6 slabs of pork ribs and 40 chicken thighs, accompanied with baked beans, corn on the cob and great rolls. We have alos had boiled crawfish (mudbugs) with the meal as a side dish. We serve hot peach cobler topped with outstanding Texas Blue Bell brand Homemade Vanilla ice cream for desert.
We have a cattle watering trough full of cold Bud. A 62" Mitsubishi (latest DLP picture techknowledgy) in the Great room with surround sound and another TV on the covered rear porch.
Later, the men top off the meal with brady and Cuban cigars on the rear porch and the women clean-up the mess.
Grasshoppers: start with fresh jalepenos, cut off the stems, split the jalepenos and clean out the seeds and membrane, fill the halves with cream cheese, wrap with 1/2 slice of maple bacon and pin with a toothpick. Smoke or grill the grasshoppers until the bacon is cooked and they are the hit of the party.
Brosche Shrimp: start with Texas jumbo shrimp, butterfly the shrimp and place a sliver of jalepeno inside, fold the shrimp and wrap with Hickory smoked bacon, pin with a toothpick and smoke or grill until the bacon is cooked. Serve with melted butter, lemon juice and garlic powder dipping sauce.
sounds good ... I'll start driving south tomorrow!
I'll have to stop and get some good beer though ...
anyways ... I knew I liked ya ... Memphis ... one of my favorite places on earth!
Jeff Buck Construction
Artistry In Carpentry
Pittsburgh Pa
Plan your trip thru Memphis, you can opick up some bar-b-que and I won't have to cook. You can not get that kind of bar-b-que down here.
This will give us certain advantage. I usually stay up cooking most of the night, so I can tell the wife I am cooking and we can spend the time drinking beer, and contemplating the true color of air, and the differance between Lovely Brown and Curly Brown.
Your Steelers are looking good. I am partial to NFC teams, and the wife is from Carolina, but if Seatlle beats Carolina I'll be rooting for the Steelers....that is if the Steelers can get past Denver. If the Steelers make it, you will need to be here so I won't be a lone ranger rooting for the Steelers.
Maybe Mean Joe Green, and some of the old Steel Curtain will come out of retirement for the game.
Plan your trip thru Memphis,
That's the route we took the first time down to Tx ...
decided to use my wife's(girlfriend at the time) company paid move to trace the roots of the Blues backwards ... aside from the dogleg to Chicago.
Left Pgh ...
hit Memphis ... Tupelo ... Clarksdale .... New Orleans ...
then over to Houston.
stayed a coupla days at each ... aside from Tupelo ... did a driveby stop at Elvis's birth home ... then on to the National Blues Museum.
Fun trip ... good food ... great music.
Jeff Buck Construction
Artistry In Carpentry
Pittsburgh Pa
Sounds like you are my kind of guy.
Memphis now has the rock and Soul Museum. A museum sponsered by the Smithsonian Museum, with Memphis offically designated as the birthplace of Rock and Roll. It is in the same building as a new Gibson guitar plant and tours of the plant are avaliable.
My wife and I like to go cut a rug, listeneing to Texas Johnny Brown, an older black fellow with a real gift for blues and rhythem. Texas Johnny Brown is from Mississippi, but I guess Texas Johnny sounds better tjhatn Mississippi and helps withnhis marketing in Texas.
Bev and I have become good friends with him, adn he plays our request for Mustang Salley, Johnny B Goode, The Harlem Shuffle and others.
We also like The AllStar Band. They have also become good friendsw and learned Freeway of Love by Aretha Franklin on our request. They have a female singer who can do almost as good as job a Aretha Franklin herself. They also play the song Kiss by Prince, whi9ch is one of my favaorite dancing songs. We love to dance. I look like a white boy, but my ethenic roots come into questions when I am on the dance floor.
Hmmm, I was always under the impression that the additive primaries were red, green and blue. The subtractive primaries were magenta, yellow and cyan. No wonder you could never get those colors quite right on all those canvases. :=)
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Primary colors are red blue and yellow. All other true colors can be produced form these three colors, with other varying shades produced by adding the shades of white and black.
Two questions the prof might ask, based on some of the post.
If white is the absense of color, is white a color?
If white is a color, then is white the presense of the color white?
Keep in mind, I am just having fun and my recollection of the teaching comes form a time when lots of Purple Haze and Orange Sunshine was painted on my brain. The introduction of Orange Sunshine and Purple haze produce a conglomeration of colors, and not just derivatives of orange and purple.
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Additive primaries are any three points on that CIE 1931 chromaticity chart that I posted. The colors that you can make by mixing those primaries are the colors inside the triangle on the chart whose corners are the primaries. That's why when you choose a set of primaries, you try to get them as far apart as possible.
One of the issues in creating the new HDTV standard was whether to go with new primaries and a new luminance equation, which they did.
-- J.S.
Did they have the CIE 1931 chromaticity chart when I went to college in 1972?
Me thinks you guys are getting over my head. I was originally speaking of colors and the primary colors in simple art form, and not mixed with high tech devices like personal or commercial printers and HDTV. Personal printer and HDTV in 1972?
> Did they have the CIE 1931 chromaticity chart when I went to college in 1972?
Yes, it was standardized in 1931.
> .... HDTV in 1972?
Yes, an experimental analog version in Japan. They demonstrated it at SMPTE in San Francisco in 1971.
-- J.S.
additive primaries were red, green and blue. The subtractive primaries
Depends on whether you mean in pigments or in light. CMY is used in cathode ray displays; CMYK has eveolved to 'follow' that standard.
Oops, being pedantic again <g>.Occupational hazard of my occupation not being around (sorry Bubba)
> CMY is used in cathode ray displays ....
What kind of CRT displays? The ones I'm familiar with, TV and computers, are RGB.
In general:
Light sources = additive = RGB (CRT, LED, DLP, etc.)
Pigments, dyes & filters = subtractive = CMY (Paint, photographic film)
CMYK (or in movie terms, YCMK) uses black, called "K", to extend the dynamic range and get darker blacks. Separation Technicolor did that in the 1930's.
-- J.S.
What kind of CRT displays?
Oops, I'm an idiot. Had my brain on printer-monitor calibration and failed to disengage. RGB is correct for electron "guns."
Cathode rays cause CRS, perhaps?Occupational hazard of my occupation not being around (sorry Bubba)
I was always under the impression that the additive primaries were red, green and blue. The subtractive primaries were magenta, yellow and cyan.
Why complicate the issue? Couldn't you get all of these colors from red, blue and yellow? Are not green, magenta and cyan a product (in some mixture) of the basic three primary colors red, blue and yellow?
My 7 year old son learns the three primary colors in elementry school. The advanced excercises I performed in college required us to create an expansive chart from red yellow and blue, of which green, magenta and cyan were a part, and subject.
Secondary colors are green (yellow and blue) / orange (yellow and red) / purple (blue and red).
Perhaps I am being too simple.
white and black are not colors, they are technically "shades".
Or, to really pedantic, they are hues. The paint carrier for "white" being shaded to 100%; the carrier for "black" being tinted to 100%.
(Awk! Pantone flash backs! Aiaiaia! Run Away! Run Away!)
Red shades (by adding white) to pink; it tints (by adding black) to a brick sort of color (or a decidedly warm sort of black, up around 80% tint or so . . . )Occupational hazard of my occupation not being around (sorry Bubba)
Man oh man... I ran a large photo lab for over 20 years, and have been credited in one book on color theory and even I'm glad I'm outta this thread ;)
and have been credited in one book on color theory
Said tome likely being on my shelf, no less <weary grin>
Order that first 1000 gallons of paint, and you get tired of having to explaine the paint store's fixing system's fundamentals to the PFK working the counter. Not that being an "ink monkey" in the press shop is a much better way to learn this stuff . . .
Toss in eleventy years of education in commercial art, classic art, photography, and the computer-generated art . . . can I just go back to b&w sketches & photography (yeah, right, like I'm not taking the color filters for that <g> . . . )Occupational hazard of my occupation not being around (sorry Bubba)
These color post have enough energy adn input to form their own thread. i sure did open up a can of worms and was only clowning.
i sure did open up a can of worms and was only clowning
Yeah, but that's why we come here <G> . . .
Oh, and green is used instead of yellow, because yellow is often too intense to "balance" with other additive colors. Since green is already "blue," cyan and magenta shift around to get an equal sort of balance.
Or, leastways, that's what I remember right now--cathode rays may make my memories suspect, too <g>
Gallons of paint, and paint thinner, exposure to printer's inks, other VOC's--none of those will have anything to do with it <G> . . . Occupational hazard of my occupation not being around (sorry Bubba)
I still have concentrate from making water based stains, my favorite is Pthalo Blue. If ya need to clean out the nostrils, you are welcome to huff some of this stuff, completely harmless. (G)
is Pthalo Blue. If ya need to clean out the nostrils, you are welcome to huff some of this
No thanks, I just want the nostrils to stay just the one way more or less <g>. (Which can be a hard "medium" to get to with delicious spicy chow available . . .)
Pthalo makes some very nice blends, and "fits" nicely on the Mumsell Purple-Blue charts for mixing.Occupational hazard of my occupation not being around (sorry Bubba)
had a car once that was "pastel charcoal" in color. It was barely off-white.
I can't figure out where manufacturers come up with their color names sometimes.
Well, are you going to keep us in suspense about your fix?
Stace Caseria
LOL... OK, I bought a qt of Dutch Boy "Dimensions" in "Granite" which has flecks of greys and black in it. Brushed it over the epoxy, feathered it in a bit with some 600 grit, and clear coated the whole slab when I was finished. Almost invisible... the client looked the whole thing over closely and loved it. Butttttttttttttttt...
She called the next day and asked me to make another one at her expense... she didn't like the grey she chose!
Oyyyyyyyyyyy...
She probably figured out she wanted Loctite grey or is that black? (:-)
LOLLLLL... I told her this time she was coming to the shop when we were ready to mix. It's fine that she's paying for it, but my back isn't up for doing this too often ;)
Paul
When are you going to post some pictures of this counter? Or have you sworn off anything graphic?
Ya know, I actually started taking photos of the whole process, but I thought it had been covered better by others already. If you think it would be helpful to anyone, I'll be glad to do up a little post about it.
PaulB
I always enjoy seeing the fine projects the guys here do. May not need to post 150 pictures and 10,000 word blow by blow but go for it.
Bob
"She probably figured out she wanted Loctite grey or is that black? (:-)"
I wonder what colour she dyes her hair? ;)http://www.costofwar.com/
When I got to the part about her calling the next day and saying "take it out", I just put my head in my hands and laughed. I have tears in my eyes. I do feel your pain, but it also feels so good to see that I'm not the only one that has Murphy for a partner.
Don K.
EJG Homes Renovations - New Construction - Rentals
Paul,
I always have a gallon can of West system epoxy resin and their quickest curing activator on hand. I use it in granite fabrication but I find a multitude of uses for it. I think it costs a little over a hundred dollars a gallon. I would think any carpenter, jack of all trades kind of person would want to keep this stuff on hand. It is relatively clear, easily tinted what ever color you want, incredible strong and easy to mix using pump dispensers.It is a totally different league than the little twin tube dispensers sold in hardware stores. Another glue anyone who has to do emergency repairs should have is cyanoacrylate glue (super glue) with a spray bottle of accelerator. It is unbelievably fast curing and remarkably strong. Not quite the equal of a good epoxy but more than adequate for most tasks. You can buy the glue just about anywhere but the accelerator is harder to come by ( i think it is heptane). Rocklers sells it, I have bought it on ebay. CA glue does have its pitfalls, not that great for wet applications, can cure white rather than clear with too much accelerator. Glues your fingers together. Be sure to buy some solvent for releasing your fingers.My 4 year old has had countless toys repaired with CA glue in a matter of minutes but its real use is doing emergency repairs of chipped granite edges or temporarily bonding pieces while mocking up the various slabs for polishing.Karl
There are all kinds of the super glue and accelerators available at a good hobby shop that has model airplane making supplies.
and accelerators available
For "thin" CA glue, you can use baking soda. Jsut be careful, it can build up into a very hard-to-remove unintentional 'filler' of sorts (and will often be harder than the adjcent surfaces, which makes it much tougher to sand . . . )Occupational hazard of my occupation not being around (sorry Bubba)
> .... the accelerator is harder to come by ( i think it is heptane).
IIRC, there's lots of n-heptane in ordinary gasoline, probably more in regular than premium. Iso-octane, aka 2,2,4-trimethylpentane, is harder to come by. Perhaps worth a try to see if it works as a crazy glue accelerator.
-- J.S.
Windex is a good zipkicker for CA glue in a pinch. Had a nasty gash in my hand last yr. Superglue for stitches and windex for anti septic was all I had handy...kicked the glue real quick,without all the heat.
Sphere, thanks for the tip. I have been out of town and email was unavailible to see your post. I will give windex a try as a CA accelerator down at the shop tomorrow. good to know if I run out of the heptane (or whatever it is I have been using). I like the idea of having one multipurpose chemical for cleaning as well as CA glue accelerating.Karl"Windex is a good zipkicker for CA glue in a pinch. Had a nasty gash in my hand last yr. Superglue for stitches and windex for anti septic was all I had handy...kicked the glue real quick,without all the heat."
LOL. I call those tidbits "happy accidents". It is amazing what can result when yer gushing blood and thinking fast.
In lutherie work, I employ at least three different viscosities of 3M Pronto CA glue. I also bought the "zip kicker" , pricey stuff.
Since I found out that windex works as well, and it is handy ( I make windows too) what the hell..I'd rather smell the ammonia than the heptane or mek that the zip kick is made of.
I could write a book. I made the finger board inlays in the GTX Guitars (PBC Guitar Technology) by orienting the neck in a jig on a 20" Rad saw..ATB kerf blade, and filling with colored epoxy..I found that you can buy "pearl" at an auto supply shop...powdered shell. Mixed with CA (thick) or devcon clear, you have liquid Mother of Pearl..talk about possibilities.
My first attempt at that inlay process ( due to the ATB Blade, and my affinity for Budwieser at the time) became known as the "Budweiser stripe" in the guitar industry.. a red arrow across the Finger board , visible from the players side, and the front, ending in an inverted vee..3,5.7,9 ,12,15,17.21. doubled at the 12.
She called the next day and asked me to make another one at her expense... she didn't like the grey she chose!
That's just fine. As long as she is paying for them, you'll make them till dooooomsday! Where's the old one going? dumpster? Could it be manhandled out to the garage to make a counter out there?
jt8
"The test is to recognize the mistake, admit it and correct it. To have tried to do something and failed is vastly better than to have tried to do nothing and succeeded."-- Dr. Dale Turner
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Doesn't sound like their problem and I don't understand how your mixing it. Or how two components being black and white can end up as anything other than some shade of grey.
The defective whit component sounds like it was old. Likely they over ordered at HD and it has sat in a hot wharehouse for a year or two. A defective seal may also be the issue. Did you check to see if the package or tubes have a date stamp?
You say the two parts are black and white. To be mixed in equal proportions? A lot of epoxies are. And every one that I can remember using came out grey. Some a bit darker than others. But never close to what I would characterize as black.
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The stuff directly from Loctite was also defective, so there's no issue in my mind that HD isn't at fault. I had a total of four tubes... only one had Part "A"as white, the others were all varying shades of brown. When I first called Loctite, the woman I spoke with mentioned that it wasn't an old batch code. As far as mixing goes, you do use equal parts (assuming the orifices in the dispenser are equal diameter, I didn't bother measuring them) but the end result of mixing two pigments together isn't solely a function of proportions. A small amount of carbon black for instance will turn a much larger amount of white concrete very dark*...
Anyway, it ain't grey when cured it's black ;)
PaulB
(* for the countertop in question for instance, I used maybe 4 oz of carbon black in almost 200 lbs of white concrete and it came out well... amost "charcoal grey")
Edited 1/5/2006 5:18 pm ET by PaulBinCT
The way HD is here, it could have been pushed to the back on the shelf in the store for years. It's not FIFO, its FIRO (First In, Random Out).
-- J.S.