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   booch | Jan 22, 2003 05:37am | #1

   Hunhh?

   How do you coat the inside of a pipe with epoxy? Lets see, blow all the water out?, then flow liquid epoxy thru the pipes and hope it sticks to the scale & water left behind. Oh yes of cours it woin't mess up the toilet, shower head and water heater. What are you nuts? Must be a hell of a sales pitch.

   If it leaks replace it. If it leaks because of bad water that eats the pipes, move and get out of that hell hole. It sounds like a worse case version of a toxic waste dump.

   Someone is blowing warm air up your skirt. It sounds like a scam.

   Jack of all trades and master of none - you got a problem with that?
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   UncleDunc | Jan 22, 2003 07:04am | #2

   After the fireplace thread, it feels good to be able to agree with you on this one.

   I have read about retrofitting epoxy lining in sewer pipes, but that's just straight runs, from one manhole to the next. I can't imagine this being anything but a scam.

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   BillHartmann | Jan 22, 2003 07:06pm | #5

   Nope

   They clean the pipe out. From the description it seem that they "sand blast" it.

   http://www.aceduraflo.com/

   Look at The Process.

   Looks interesting, but I am not convinced.

   One of the news stories I saw indicate that it cost about the same as repiping, but no (or limited) wall repair.

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   booch | Jan 22, 2003 07:38pm | #6

   Then a miracle happens is the missing step.

   I don't know how well they abrade the crud out of the pipes but I think there would be substantial mechanical energy put into the grinding out of crud. I can barely chip it with a screwdriver in some of mine.

   Further concern is that they show a fully coated interior of a pipe. It isn't gonna happen. Unless they can ensure turbulence throughout the fluid will flow in the bottom 2/3 of the pipe. There will be missing places.

   Replace the pipe is my belief. The price couldn't be too much more if they responsibly did this work.Jack of all trades and master of none - you got a problem with that?

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   rjw | Jan 22, 2003 08:37pm | #7

   I can barely chip it with a screwdriver in some of mine.

   Good God man!  A screw driver?  Used to chip scale?  Have you no decency?!?

   We're going to have to send you over to the Family Handyman for a timeout! {G,D&R}!!!

   _______________________

   "I may have said the same thing before... But my explanation, I am sure, will always be different."  Oscar Wilde

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   booch | Jan 23, 2003 01:19am | #8

   Whaaat!

   They are Craftsman brand. You want that I should use a wood chisel? Even that I could return to Sears. Frankly their screwdrivers hold up just fine and replace easily. Only problem is the loss factor is high. (they spring legs at night)

   I'll go to my corner now.

   Reminds me of one of the boys when they were 2 or 3 years old describing the day at preschool. When asked about the day he responded, "I went to the sinking chair"

   HunH? was the response.

   He continued that "when you do the wrong thing, you have to spend time in the sinking chair to sink about what you did wrong."Jack of all trades and master of none - you got a problem with that?

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   JJ | Jan 25, 2003 04:30am | #9

   i worked as a plumber with ace and i am convinced it is the way to go for a larg complex [apt. ,condo ] dont know if i would do a home progect i've done replumbs with min disturbence to occupents by carefull planing . but this is ease to say without seeing the house design or lay out but if there was ever a time to redesign say hwh close to use or bath up  date i would say now is the time. just call a plumber to help you he should do it for free just to be concidered for the job.  

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   booch | Jan 25, 2003 04:52pm | #10

   I don't doubt it is effective. I doubt this would be effective in small houses.

   The problem I see is the removal of the scale in the pipes. I can't concieve of a way without chemical scouring to remove all of the crud in these old pipes. And that chemical scouring would exascerbate the leaks.

   Now in a building with 6 inch mains I could see an attempt at this but where 1/2 inch copper is 5-10 bucks a 10 foot section I don't see the point of this. Possibly one run embedded in concrete would justify this treatment.

   Too many ways for this to go wrong or be ineffective.Jack of all trades and master of none - you got a problem with that?

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   xMikeSmith | Jan 22, 2003 07:06am | #3

   our town is lining all of our old sewer pipes with epoxy... quite a process

   Mike Smith   Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore

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   EricS | Jan 22, 2003 02:33pm | #4

   Greetings again -

   I am not an advocate of this process - just was/is trying to gain info for the flock of neighbors.  I believe the pipes should be replaced with CPVC or copper.  I believe the WH is bypassed and the lining is only taken to the individual fixture shut-offs.

   Much thanks again for any short comments,

   Eric Svendson

   Silver Spring, MD

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   EricS | Jan 26, 2003 04:28pm | #11

   Much thanks for your inputs - I will try to post the results of this "adventure" some of my neighbors are off to when the jobs are complete.  True performance will obviously take a few years.  Bill Hartman - if you have any reference to that "news story" I would appreciate some leads.

   Eric S.

   Silver Spring, MD

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   BillHartmann | Jan 26, 2003 04:41pm | #12

   I just did a google on "Ace-Duraflo". Found the company web site along with a bunch of new stories an news release.

   Also on the company website there was one section, if I remember correctly, of news storys or customer storys.

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   EricS | Jan 26, 2003 05:12pm | #13

   OK, much thanks.  I've been to their site also but didn't think they would post an article wherein cost is about same save for wall repair/disruption.

   Thanks again,

   ES