Customer has a slew of DH windows 150 yrs old. I need to save them. Currently there are alum liners from 25 yrs ago.
The Alum gets condensate and frosty , adding to the already rotted condition of the sash. In removing the sash, I find it faster and easier to just trash the alum liners, IF I can locate vinyl replacements.
I am not confined to Historical Accuracy, but the HO’s want to keep what they have Vs. new windows. Google didn’t turn up what I expected, maybe my search query was worded wrong.
Windows are 88″ tall, so I need long lengths, no spring loaded deals, just a standard liner.
Nasty rotted sash. I’ve already milled new muntin stock, and am preparing for the worst as far as making new meeting rails and stiles for the extreme basket cases.
So, has anyone used these liners recently? I am sure they exist, I must just be looking in the wrong places.
TIA.
Edited 7/19/2007 1:01 pm ET by Sphere
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I know what you're talking about, and i used two slightly different brands on my Victorian. I had a hard time finding them the second time, and then i was told where i got them (some 'green' building place) that they no longer carried them bec they were made of PVC and therefore "bad". This was all over ten years ago and i haven't seen them since.I've just been searching the net under "vinyl jamb liners" and "PVC jamb liners" with no luck. They were such a great idea...if you find them, please post the source.
I might be able to re-use the Alum. but I'd hate to, all goobered up w/paint and 79 different flavors of caulk.
I got the first sash home , and with a better look see at it, I am gonna be one busy fenestrater for the next few months. YIKES.
I'll let ya know what I locate if at all...the Prosash site was a bust.
These 2 companies re supposed to have jamb liners, from the following article:
http://www.rd.com/familyhandyman/content/19295/
A-Craft Windows: Dept. TFH,2223 Snelling Ave. S.,Minneapolis, MN 55404;(612) 722-7255.
Blaine Window HARDWARE INC.: Dept. TFH,17319 Blaine Drive,Hagerstown, MD 21740;(800) 678-1919 http://www.blainewindow.com.
I've been googleing since I posted, how'd you get there?
I'll call them in the morning. I found bupkiss in all my looking, I dont want new sash or tilt-in liners.
Thanks Mark.
I thought you said no springs or gizmos?? Why, i orta...
I DID say no springs, didn't I? Geeze, I am cornfused. I been searching like forever, for something I would think is available anywhere.
These sash are 36wx46 tall and the lady ain't too keen on opening them anyway. The upper is fixed in place.
I'll keep digging.
More possible- http://oldfashionedwindows.com/jamb%20liners.htm
Bi-glass.com supposedly can make any old window better with an array new glazing, jambliners, etc. Maybe check to see if there is a local franchise who would be willing to part with some of their jamb liner stock. Just a thought.
Try this company too.
Strybuc Industries2006 Elmwood Ave., 102C ~ Sharon Hill, PA 19079-1018(800) 352-0800 ~ Local: (610) 534-3200 ~ Fax: (610) 534-3202
8076 NW 74TH Avenue ~ Medley, FL 33166(800) 382-9541 ~ Local: (305) 887-3500 ~ Fax: (305) 887-3050
Email: [email protected]
http://www.strybuc.com
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Thanks, but no joy. They do have everything but what I need tho'.
I may have to call them, the DL of the catalouge set off all my ActiveX blockers.
Simple metal jambliners: http://www.windowrenu.com/main/default.asp
No luck with ANY of the links.
I must be imagining a product that needs to be invented.
I have not located even the original Alum. type that exist there now. Maybe discontinued or something.
Good think I didn't trash the old ones.
Time to buy a vinyl extruder and make a killing...
I saw that link when I first googled, and skimmed it.
I just called them, and they are close to what I am after, except: they are alum, only for 1 3/8ths sash ( these are 1 1/4") and only up to 82" tall, I need 88".
This id getting uglier by the minute.
150 year old windows. Do they still have the balances? The owner may be better off without any liners. Many people would say just remove the excess paint buildup, adjust the stops and they will work like they did when they were new. Air infiltration can be stopped with a storm window.
No weights anylonger. They said that 24 yrs. ago they had them "fixed". Well, some one found this alum. liner like window-re-new has availble, and that was installed.
The issue is that getting the sash out requires pulling the liner out with the sash, or folding the liner away and pray to god that the window doesn't disintergrate in your hands, that is how bad they are.
Either method, the liners IMO should be replaced with something that hasn't had 24 yrs of paint slobbered all over it, and allow the window to travel freely, therby not racking the daylights out of them and wreaking further havoc with the mortices and slim muntins.
I don't think SeeYou's brake can get the profile of the parting bead, but if he could, I may ask him to fab me some out of copper or galvanized sheet.
Vinyl would be preferred, again IMO, due to thermisivity ( is that a word?) and frosting on the inside, in the winter. But it appears no one makes them.
I know all about storms ( not an option) and inside moisture issues, and weather stripping details, but a metal liner, will conduct cold to the inside. No if's , and's or buts.
Here is what I need.
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How about a 2 part metal liner to keep thermal bridging away, with a wod parting strip over the break?
That has possibilities. I'd want to fill the old parting bead slot to be able to have purchase for the new parting bead. Or wait, just add a parting bead again, and metal up to it.
No, there is no advantage to that, the metal would still be less than Ideally ridgid enough.
I am sorely tempted to just leave it as is and salvage as much as I can of the old. Either way, it's not my preferred method of work.
"don't think SeeYou's brake can get the profile of the parting bead, but if he could, I may ask him to fab me some out of copper or galvanized sheet."
Even if you get someone to fabricate a jambliner to your specs, You will still need a method to hold the sash up from sliding down. The metal jambliners from window renu have "tension parting bead" that helps in holding the sash up.
Yeah, I talked with the guy. From close to my home stomping grounds in Philly.
Being as they are using prop sticks now, on the few that do open, I may just have to incorporate a tension in that bead too, he told me it is nothing more than a clip, like a pair of tweezers every 3 or so inches. Thats easy enoughto replicate. The liners now have nothing.
If you don't have the pulleys and weights, another option:
http://pullmanbalances.com/
I can run that by them, but they are hesistant to spend the xtra $$$. That system would require complete repairs on the jambs for finish paint, and the jambs are as bad as the sash.
Just rebuilding the sash, is getting to the budget limit, and I am not unrealistic at all at my rate per sash. Low if anything.
This may be bass-ackwards and dumb, but looking at the profile you need, could you have some blades made up and mill it like woodwork, just using vinyl or pvc stock? Like Azek?This is way way out of my knowledge base, so if I'm floating a lead balloon, just say so.Just trying to get you out of a jamb...Lisa
Again , probably cost prohibitive. A 1x6x12' cellular ( azek) is 44.00. I've not seen it in 8' which would be mo' better waste wise. And then milling it thin enough to avoid reducing the window width, might get a bit sketchy.
Excellent idea tho'..it had crossed my mind. As did a million other "brainstorms".
The local hardware store sells a $3.00 item: A 6"x1" strip of metal shaped like a flying seagul that is positioned between each sash and the jam to provide tension so that the sash stays put. You can also buy sash pins that run thru the sash into predrilled holes in the jamb. Or you can use a stick.:)
Yeah, seen it too.
I'll probably just wax the stuff real good and call it good, if all else fails. I've wasted a lot of time ( according to my wife) hunting down a solution.
Did I mention there are no screens either? The expandable screen doo-dads can hold up the sash...butthey have AC on all the time it is needed. It is a country Bed and breakfast , part time.