What size and which one? I hate shopping, make it easy for me.
I will be triming out my own home. Largest width probably 5″ baseboard. Then it will be used for the occasional personal project, so this isn’t for heavy duty commercial work or anything. Just need one that is adequate and accurate and moderately priced.
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10" saws tend to be more accurate as there is less blade leverage-induced deflection than with a 12" saw. 10" blades are less expensive.
I've head that before (more deflection with a 12" blade), but I wonder if it is enough to show up in the quality of the cut?If I set up the same brand of saw -- one a 10", the other a 12" -- would I be able to see a difference in cut quality?
The deflection issue 10" vs. 12" is one I've heard spoken of and don't have personal experience with. If you think about the arbor to teeth radius being longer, it makes sense. I've not compared my Makita 10" slider against a 12". Maybe it's not an issue with non-sliding mitre saws.
Seems to me that in thick hardwoods, you'd more likely to run into deflection. Enough that it would matter in paint grade? Probably not. I've noticed that forcing the blade through the work does lead to deflection, even in thinner and softer woods. So does a dull, gummed or damaged blade.
12" saws are so much bulkier, heavier, expensive. The original poster will be installing 5" base...
Edit: Here's a slider thread that touches on the deflection issue. One guy, Steve, says his 12" doesn't deflect in hardwoods. Go to: http://forums.taunton.com/tp-breaktime/?msg=52200.3&post=y&guest=y
Edited 1/4/2005 2:53 am ET by Pierre1
Edited 1/4/2005 3:14 am ET by Pierre1
Been using my Dewalt 12" for almost a decade now and the cuts are dead on. I 've used the 10" and they're fine. I like the extra cut depth for crown.
You will buy the 10" . Then when you get going you will wish you bought the 12". Get the 12" it's a fine tool .
I realize money is an issue here, and what I`m going to suggest doesn`t adress that concern, but.......were I to have one and only one miter saw, I`d make sure it was a dual bevel, sliding, compound. Blade size would be less of a concern.
Just my two cents.....feel free to put them towards the new toy, er, tool.
; )
EDIT TO ADD: Go with a Makita.....you won`t be sorry.
J. D. Reynolds
Home Improvements
"DO IT RIGHT, DO IT ONCE"
Edited 1/4/2005 10:05 am ET by JAYBIRD
Welcome to Breaktime. Nice to have a woman around occasionally, instead of all these cranky old guys.
(-:
I have a 10" Milwaukee, which I really like. It's will cut 5.5" at 90°, so it would cover the 5" baseboard you mentioned easily.
I highly recommend the Freud red coated finish blades for cutting trim. They really do a nice job.
They have many red coated blades..I think ya mean the diablo 80t. I have one on my TS or I'd post the part #. if it's not wore away yet.
Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
I'll just do it>
Actually, I didn't mean the diablo line. I was thinking more of their "ultimate cutoff" blades:http://www.freudtools.com/woodworkers/rep/sawblades/Industrial_Series/Crosscut/html/Crosscut_1.html
Children and grandparents are natural allies.
cool enuf, my bad.great blades.
Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
I'll just do it>
Another Freud to consider is the F812, a lot less hook and a really interesting tooth pattern..
Phill Giles
The Unionville Woodwright
Unionville, Ontario
most anybody is better than a Diablo...
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming
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I dunno..they are great in a circ saw. Not too pricey and about the best ya can get around here.
Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
I'll just do it>
they're the low end as in the bottom of the line for Freud...
home depot specials...
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming
WOW!!! What a Ride!
I don't care, they work for me. {G}
Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
I'll just do it>
drive on...
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming
WOW!!! What a Ride!
I like the Freud thin-kerf jobs. Saves wood, LOL....Dinosaur
'Y-a-tu de la justice dans ce maudit monde?
Fred makes some pretty good blades...
only the Diablo doesn't make the cut.....
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming
WOW!!! What a Ride!
Circular saw = Freud T103, I think a lot of the guys on the board here use them and most of the high-end deck crews seem to have them..
Phill Giles
The Unionville Woodwright
Unionville, Ontario
I like the crowd in here. Everyone has an opinion.
Thanks for the thoughts. I'd love a compound slider, but mostly for the cool toy factor. Realistically the 10" is probably it, for use and for monetary reasons. As far as which one....
About every time I have to load that big ol' DeWalt 12" from the shop into the truck and from the truck into the site, I swear one day I'm gonna buy a little 8" Delta or something for doing trim jobs and yada-yada-yada....
But I never have. Mainly because that big ol' heavy-a$$ DeWalt 12" is (a) dependable; (b) bulletproof; (c) versatile; (d) solid; (e) accurate; and (f) can cut anything I need to cut from 6x6 rough BC Fir right down to 3/8x3/8 quarter-round cedar.
If you're only going to own one compound mitre saw, make it the 12" DW. You will really appreciate the tall fence, especially for vertical mitre cuts in trim work.Dinosaur
'Y-a-tu de la justice dans ce maudit monde?
diablo is low end Freud...
and..
the Bosch is still much better than the DW...
long shot so...
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming
WOW!!! What a Ride!
I've got nothing against Bosch; I like the Bosch tools I've got. But they are more expensive and it doesn't sound like she's gonna do this for a living, so does she really need to invest the extra bucks for the Bosch?
The DeWalt 12" compound mitre saw is one of DW's best tools. Lots of their other stuff is sold riding on the reputation of that one and do not measure up to it. (Like their cordless drills, which are a bad joke.) Mine's been through hellNback and still chews its way through the nastiest wettest wood I throw at it as well as shaving half-kerf thicknesses off mouldings for trim work without wavering one iota. Dinosaur
'Y-a-tu de la justice dans ce maudit monde?
she????
I gotta go reread this...
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming
WOW!!! What a Ride!
she????
I gotta go reread this...
You got a two-track mind: females and tools.
I'll get a Bosch when my DW dies.
And I'll get another female when my sense of self-preservation dies....
Gonna be awhile in both cases....
Dinosaur
'Y-a-tu de la justice dans ce maudit monde?
ROAR!!!!!!
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming
WOW!!! What a Ride!
"she...?"
...thus the name chicwthtools = chic with tools.
has my very presence here ruffled a few feathers? ;) I'll just leave that self preservation comment alone!
yes, the "gotta have to cool toy" wrestles with the "damn, i sure need another toilet and countertops and trim and and and... to finish my home." Believe me, I'm ready to have a little fun after building my own home. Will it ever be done?
I'm going shopping for the saw tomorrow armed with all the wisdom I've gained here...
Don't in any way take that 'self-preservation' comment personally--those who know me here are aware that I'm fighting through a very nasty divorce and have been for over a year now. My son was essentially kidnapped by A2BX and the custody fight is dragging on, and on, and on, and on....
Meanwhile, she's living with her girlfriend and the boy keeps begging me to get him out of there....Dinosaur
'Y-a-tu de la justice dans ce maudit monde?
Yikes, I'm sorry to hear about that. My sympathies to you. I definately didn't take it personally. Good luck.
I'm figuring out there's a bit of lingo in here that I'm not quite hip on: "A2BX"? But I'm guessing that its something that can't be printed on here - I think I can figure it out.
And pardon my lack of french, but what does your quote say?
About 2 two Be Ex (as in spousal)He'll tell ya the French part.
Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
Watch out for the edges, it's really fast out there...
Yeah, the French part had me fooled. Dat boy out-frenches da Frenchies, ben oui.
I dont know how much you have budgeted for this saw but here is the Dewalt 12" dual bevel (non sliding version) from amazon.com for $250 - $25 (for orders over $200) = $225. Amazon will also give you free shipping.
http:)//www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B000063N5H/ref=br_fq_hi_th_1//104-8824932-4321547?v=glance&s=hi&n=527694
From what you have posted, I think you would be o.k. with out a slider. What I find nice about the Dewalt DW706 is the ability to cut 6" stock upright ( thats higher than any other saw I know of thats 12" or smaller). The dual bevel with bevel stops is nice also.
With which ever saw you get you should look into getting a better blade. Most of the blades that come with the saws are o.k. at best.
Good luck
m2akita
Dat boy out-frenches da Frenchies, ben oui.
Y'all trying to sound lahk a coona$$, boy? Et comment-ça, t'a pas pogné mon 'tag'? C'est de la joual 100% pure laine....
Somebody actually tried to run that through the Google translator a while back. Came up as gibberish, of course.
Dinosaur
'Y-a-tu de la justice dans ce maudit monde?
yur doing it again...
and no dictionary handy...
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming
WOW!!! What a Ride!
Only dictionary you're gonna find that kind of French in is Le Parler Quebecois--a most unpolitically-correct volume by Alain Stanke. Funnier'n all heck, too.... But you have to read French to get the gags.Dinosaur
'Y-a-tu de la justice dans ce maudit monde?
so now ya want me to learn how to read...
what's next...
how's Ryan???
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming
WOW!!! What a Ride!
Sleeping like an angel six feet from where I sit. I'm gonna rack out, too. Going skiing in the AM--not punched in.
Dinosaur
'Y-a-tu de la justice dans ce maudit monde?
after al you go thru all week and you still ski on yur own time...
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming
WOW!!! What a Ride!
"Somebody actually tried to run that through the Google translator a while back. Came up as gibberish, of course."
Oui, je me souviens de cet épisode....notre ami Luka nous avait suggéré de prendre une chambre....et je l'avais envoyé promener. But it all worked out well in the end.
'Course I got your joual tag's reference to your current legal limbo with the soon 2BX. You have my best wishes in that department.
Bloody cold here in the Rockies, and not much soft fresh to speak of. Glad you and Ryan got some. Later.
He was in lessons all the week after Christmas while I was handling 4-8 accidents a day in the most insane Christmas rush I've seen as a patroller in 12 years. I got to make one run with him all that week. Tomorrow, we're going out for ourselves. Might drift by the acro-jump at the base of the south side and watch the nut jobs launch themselves 30 feet in the air. Or we might just ski a few runs then sit down like gentlemen somewhere and have a hot chocolate without a walky-talky screaming in my ear "I NEED A SLED AND A TRAUMA TEAM STAT"....
-5 here. Hoping for more snow. We'll see....
Dinosaur
'Y-a-tu de la justice dans ce maudit monde?
Accidents, as in 1-skier falls and mishaps, or 2-skier collisions? I've a hunch there are lots of collisions between folk who think they're alone on the hill...
Yes.
Dinosaur
'Y-a-tu de la justice dans ce maudit monde?
The A2BX is About 2 Be X wife..
VOE is Voice of Experience..
Sorry to hear about the funeral... condolences...
even the road rash is something to smile about..
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming
WOW!!! What a Ride!
A2BX isn't standard internet or forum lingo; it's the shorthand way I refer to she who is my About 2B EX-wife.
Doing it that way saves Prospero's cuss-word filters from overheating everytime I have to mention her....
The tag line is related: it is the question every man ever to find himself in my position has asked himself. "Is there any Justice in this Damned World?"Dinosaur
'Y-a-tu de la justice dans ce maudit monde?
"she...?"
...thus the name chicwthtools = chic with tools.
Musta sleep thru that one...
or it's the lack of good coffee and the brain is fogged...
has my very presence here ruffled a few feathers? ;) I'll just leave that self preservation comment alone!
not that I know about....
yes, the "gotta have to cool toy" wrestles with the "damn, i sure need another toilet and countertops and trim and and and... to finish my home." Believe me, I'm ready to have a little fun after building my own home. Will it ever be done?
nope...
VOE....
I'm going shopping for the saw tomorrow armed with all the wisdom I've gained here...
tool shopping ya say...
hang on a second...
I'll get my coat....
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming
WOW!!! What a Ride!
get the Makita 10' dual bevel....you'll get a nice cordless drill in the bargain, & the saw's good for both upright & flat cuts 'cause of the flip up fence....
not me ....
chicwithtools
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming
WOW!!! What a Ride!
No new tool yet. A funeral kind of put a damper on my mood for tool shopping. Maybe tomorrow.
Lingo: "VOE"? I'm the rookie in here, I'll catch on soon.
by the way IMERC you stole my quote!
Quite a ride, isn't it?!
they all matter except fer Boss Hogg's....
just who is that guy calling old????
geeeezzzzeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming
WOW!!! What a Ride!
" all these cranky old guys"
Who ya callin' old?
Yeah....and who the f7^#@ing H38L is he callin' cranky dammit?!!!
Rereading your original post, I recommend a 12" non-sliding compound miter saw. You will be able to miter the outside corners of your 5" base with it standing up against the fence, which is faster, easier, and safer than beveling on the table. If there is a 10" saw for less $ that will do the same, then it may be right for you.
The 12" saws can chop a 4 x 6, which is very handy, and they cost little more than a decent 10", but a whole lot less than the sliding saws, which your post indicates would be needless overkill. The DeWalt 705 and 706 are good for what you will be doing. The 706 has slightly greater capacity and bevels both left and right, so it seems the more versatile unit; for only $50 more, it is worth it, IMHO.
Bill
"You will be able to miter the outside corners of your 5" base with it standing up against the fence, which is faster, easier, and safer than beveling on the table."
Faster? Yes, barely.
Easier? Disagree.
Safer? Not hardly.
And unless the back wall of the saw base stands at least 2/3 as high as the moulding, you won`t get as precise a cut.
J. D. Reynolds
Home Improvements
"DO IT RIGHT, DO IT ONCE"
Hi Jaybird,Yes, the fence on both Dewalts is very tall, which makes mitering taller profiles safer. It is easy and safe to clamp the work to the fence with your hand, well away from the blade. My own experience is that flat bevel cuts can tend to lift the work if it is not held firmly down to the table, and a grasping clamp-grip with the hand is both easier and safet than just pressing down on the workpiece.I had the Hitachi C8FB for years, and the fence was so low as to severely limit what could be cut upright. A great saw, especially when it was the only one being sold! When I got the DW705, the tall fence was a real eye-opener.Bill
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$227.5 delivered unless you are in NC then add tax. $348 plus shipping for 10 " slider Bosch.
I have DW 705 and Hitachi 10" love both. Lowes had good deal on Hitachi. Buy compound whether you think you need it or not, because soneday you probably will. The DW has survived use by many folks for some heavy cutting and does great. As said, the 706 is probably worth the upcharge. I hardly ever use mine to bevel but when you need it it is semi-priceless.
Dw706 with the set behind motor. Sold the dw705 cause big crown did not fit. Both 12"
both...
in slider...
thay each have their place..
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming
WOW!!! What a Ride!
10" should do you fine in a slider...
make it a Milwaukee......
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming
WOW!!! What a Ride!
i have five miter saws both 10 and 12 inch , sliders and non sliders
the one that goes in the truck everyday and is all day?
the 12 inch dewalt slider
it will cut solid cherry and maple crown (prefinished cabinet stuff) perfectly
deflection ofthe blade? never noticed a problem and i'm really fussy about my crown molding work
ps i never cut any molding laying flat on the table except casing, crown especially i cut sitting on the saw at the angle it will sit at finished, this amongst other things lowers the load on the saw and the blade, it also requires one adjustment to the saw for different angles
caulking is not a piece of trim
Chicwthtools, I have both and did ok with the 10" for a while then went out and got the 12" sliding double bevel compound form DW because of larger crown and wider boards. If you plan on doing this for a while a good tool may do the job for now but a great tool will last and pay for itself many times over. The 10" is easier to carry around so weigh out your needs. Maybe get the 10" now if it will do for a while, and on the next big job throw the cost of the 12" into your pricing. I find I use the 10" for small trim, casing or just 2x framing. It's still great to have that 12" for that wide crown, or joist or 4x. Good Luck
I use the new Delta double compound non-sliding 12 inch saw.We do almost exclusively interior trim.Have yet to find anything this saw won't handle comfortably and it is considerably cheaper than the Dewalt and Makita sliders.
sorry about sugesting the higher end stuff to ya...
That's the tool junkie in me...
10" chop style should do you well...
But we're back to Milwaukee again..
Bosch makes a good one too...
Dino get the Bosch...
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming
WOW!!! What a Ride!
Thanks for the suggestions. Yep, I've got my supercoolwishihadthat toy list and then my more realistic one. For the moment I'm thinking the 10'. And a slider would be great. I think I saw a Makita... might be on the spendy side, though.
Guess I'll have to go shopping anyways.
Change the list title to "I'mgonnagetthistoy(s)'causeIgottahaveit" and life will be less stressfull... Have some fun fer a change...
Makita would be 3rd or 4th on my list... toss up in ranking in there with a DW....
Delta doesn't make the cut...
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming
WOW!!! What a Ride!
in addition...
A slider in 10" (less $$$ all around) if you can find a way.... The long range benifits off set the intial investment by a wide margin....
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming
WOW!!! What a Ride!
Get the 8-1/2" Hitachi.
The original SCMS and the most reliable.
it will everythiong you need it for and will give you years of service for a modest cost.
if you feel the need for a larger saw go with the Hitachi 10" dual slider.
then you can swap bldes with your Table saw( if it is 10")
really you should be buying blades task specific blades for the TS and the MS, but there are some good combo blades out ther that will do a good job on both.
if you got alot of $$$ then go with the Hitachi or bosch 12"
all the others are pretenders to the crown!!!
Mr T
I can't afford to be affordable anymore
Milwaukee and Bosch beat out the Jap jjobs in the long haul..
no contest...
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming
WOW!!! What a Ride!
Got to disagree with you there, the hitachi saws are very very reliable and as good of quality as the two you prefer.
NO!!!!!!
I also look at the company along with the tool...
Makita, Ryobie and Hitatchi because of they way they do business aren't a consideration but onlty if there is no other way...
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming
WOW!!! What a Ride!
I see you viewpoint too. I just look for quality of the tool itself and leave my personal company feelings out of the decision making process. Maybe i should start though.
better for America I'd say...
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming
WOW!!! What a Ride!
Buy the best, and cry only once! Fact of the matter is that you will use this tool again and some day you will be glad that you bought a 12 " or wish you had. Buy a good saw. Work it and find out it's quirks and learn to deal with them.
Good luck with your projects,
Blair