Gonna buy me a brand spanking new miter saw. This is the model that I think will be best for me. Will be doing mostly trim work, also some framing and a little “fine woodworking” in the colder months. Anyway, just wondering what you all thought of this model and if any of you have used it?? If so any opinions? If not, which dual slider would you recommend? Any input would be much appreciated.
P.s. I will not buy the DW, I do not hear much good about them.
Jack the Bear
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What model is it?
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Yeah, finish yer thought already!
Don't hear much good ? Odd, the DW 706 (dual mitre/not slider) seems to be the most popular there is for trim work in our area.
Phill Giles
The Unionville Woodwright
Unionville, Ontario
I'm sold on my DW dual compound 12" slider. I'll buy another when this one dies (lord forbid, I use it plenty!!) I have never been solod on any of the other popular saws.
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I'm the last one to recommend DW, and generally avoid their products. That being said I've run the 12" DW sliding compound for years now and have not had a problem, other than it's darn heavy lifiting in and out of the trailer, but any saw that big will be heavy. I'm a displaced cannuk myself if that helps.
Let's not confuse the issue with facts!
Go to the search feature and you will find many good comments on DW cmsaws. I would say I am a DW freak but have Bosch, Makita, Hitachi in different tools. The old DW 705 that I have is excellent, wife authorized getting the slider but I the tool junkie could not justify it for my operation. I have seen good 705's going for around $150.
There are lots of folks here seem to hate DeWalt. I do not have any complaint with CMS, about 10 drills, biscuit cutter, two impacts, planner (hand), saws (4), drywall/screw gun, and more.
Saw your other post. Among my toy list is a non slider Hitachi 10" that I like very much that I carry for smaller jobs.
Here is a good deal on a Bosch slider and even better on plain compound.
http://www.heavydutytools.net/
Edited 2/26/2005 7:52 pm ET by RASCONC
Go for the cadillacs. Either the Bosch 5412L (laser) or the Bosch 4412:
· Upfront Bevel Lock Lever and Range Selector Knob Easily-accessed controls for quick and accurate bevel settings
· Arbor mounted laser tracking Provides accurate laser lines for precision cutting
· Multi-Position Main Handle Easily locks into any of four positions for optimum comfort and control
· Large 25-1/2" Base with Built-In Cast Sliding Extensions for 40" total length
· Tall 4-1/2 " Speed-Track Sliding Fences For easy bevel set-ups and increased crown molding cutting capacities
· Built-in Length Stop For repetitive cuts of the same length
· Easily Readable Bevel and Miter Scales For easy setting of accurate bevel and miter angles
· Miter Detent Override For fast and precise angle adjustment
· Exclusive Wedge-and-Slot Miter Detent System Consistent and precise miter angles over the life of the tool
· Dual Sliding Rail Design For superior accuracy
· Crown Molding Settings 31.6° miter and 33.9° bevel detents for quick, accurate crown cuts
· Electric Brake For quick, repetitive cuts. Stops blade in seconds
we have the DW 706 and the DW miter saw stand
we also have the Bosch 4412..on one of those cool Rigid Miter saw stands
we use the DW about 20 times as often as the Bosch..
the DW gives us all the accuracy , lightness, ease of set up , transport..
sometimes for interior trim we set up the bosch.. but usually we just use the DWMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
I agree.not one problem with my DW SCMS other then being pizzed off at DW for selling me a dust bag for it that does absofugginglutly nothing.
And I mean nothing.
I drop a cloth over the top of the saw when I need to keep the dust down.
They owe me $30 for that bag.
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That Bosch looks pretty wild. What does it list for? warranties?? I have heard that it is the best on the market for Crown and cabinets.
6 of 12 posts recommend DW (okay, 1 more. Buy the DW!!) You post a link to a Hitachi. Now you're asking about Bosch. What gives? Are there underlying issues with DW you haven't mentioned? :)
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short answer is yes. I do like the new 18v nailer though
I've never used the nailer. I heard it may be a little power deficient. Is it heavy, as far as a gun goes?ADH Carpentry & Woodwork
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Sure it's a little on the heavy side, but so are compressors and hoses...(and everything else in this business it seems)...Anyway no power issues at all, this nailer can "bump fire" as fast as you will ever need to with a finish nailer. Alot quieter than the paslodes too. I would recommend it to anyone
We sell the Bosch 4412 for 674.99. We don't have the laser version in yet, so I can't check the price on it.
BTW, I don' like the Bosch miter saw stand much. The Dewalt is my favorite.
oops! Warranties: I think it is warranted for 1 year. They also have a program called "Proadvantage" where you can purchase more coverage.
PS I sold an electrician friend the Bosch 24v. kit. The first day he used it the recip went dead. He called me and I called my Bosch rep, who told me to put him thru to the Provantage desk. He recieved a new recip in 24 hours and has had no problem since. They also paid all postage for both tools.
Edited 2/26/2005 9:24 pm ET by darcy
They are coming out with laser versions? Do you know when or which models?
No, I saw them on the Bosch website, but we don't have any in stock yet. The 12" slider for sure(5412L), and probably the others too.
The beauty of the DW are the adjustments.
3 torx screws on the miter scale and you can micro adjust the DW to absolute zero in less than a minute. I believe a fence adjustment is the only option on 90% of the competition. To think your new saw of whatever brand is factory set to perfect or remains true after several unloadings...I'll have what you're smoking.
Sorry everyone, here is the saw of which I speak. It seems like the shizzle.
http://hitachipowertools.com/store_item.php?iID=193&arrPath=1,11,53,p193,
Hitachi's 10 slider was rated "Best Buy" recently. Bosch took top honors, but was about 10 lbs. heavier, I think. The only highly rated saw made in the USA was the Makita (yes made in USA, most "American" brands Milwaukee, DeWalt, Porter Cable, Delta, etc. are made in Tiawan). I don't base my purchases on country of origin, but thought it was interesting. Really all the best saws were only about a $50-150 apart in price. For a saw that will give 5-15 years of service, check them all out and get what you like.I have the Hitachi 10" slider and have used it heavily for 10 years, I'm glad it is lighter. The only service it has required has been a new power cord and the little orange plastic degree indicator arrow broke (replacement arrow is metal). I do wish the scales were easier to read. Believe it or not, with ten years of knocking the saw around, loading & unloading, it is still dead on with no adjustments ever. This is the only tool I have owned that I can say that about. In the review they said the same thing, they tried to knock the Hitachi out of alignment and couldn't.Hitachi invented the sliding miter saw and it is still a very good saw.
I bought the DW705 about 10 yrs ago and it is still accurate. I rate it the same as my PC690 router with regard to a tool that was built to last and do it's job consistently.
I'm sorry, I thought you wanted it done the right way.
That saw is the saw of choice for me. Hitachi's rock and stay dead on forever.
I'm convinced! gonna stick with the Hitachi. It was the one that felt right for me when I first started to look closer at dual sliders... Thanks everyone for your opinions, very helpful.
I think you will love the Hitachi. I have owned mine for about 8 years and it is as true today as it was new. I did buy a Dewalt 706 for easy portability but I returned it after a couple months. The main problem with the dewalts is in the design.
Example: If you are doing crown moldings and you need to use an angle greater or less than the detents the table will lift up when you tighten it down. I tried this on 4 different saws and got the same results. I wondered why I was so far off on my crown cuts with the Dewalt but not the Hitachi, all the while it was the table flexing up when tightened down.
I took it back to Home Depot and had the mnager try the same thing. He was shocked at how much the table actualy lifts. (aprox. 1/8th inch)
I think the Dewalt saws are great for framing, but leave much to be desired for any fine woodworking.
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well all i have owned a few miter saws .and i find the dw 705 a beauty among beasts .also have the 8.25 dw sliding compound and it is light as a feather .if i were looking to puchase a new saw i would have to shop for months cuz their is so many great options . i think you should be able to use one for a week .well i guess you can rent one and check it out
It is a size thing. The dw 705 for anything that will fit.The Bosch 4410 for everything else. Both are set up on dw miter saw table stands. they each have their place and work great. For a slider I prefer the bosch because all adj happen up front. I found the hitachi difficult to work with but do have friends that love theirs. good luck. Paul
You may not want to hear this because I have the 705 and I dialed it in four years ago and it is a true as a arrow . Weight is good and I have had no problems with any other comp. The only joke assecesory was the slide in pipe extention which I have seen other companys make table extetions that I would much prefer but not enough to get rid of the saw . Well what ever you buy dial it in, use sharp blades and don't drop it and you should be happy, Mike
I have had the DW for a few years and it has performed beautifully. if your worried about the weight then get a non slider. it will work for most work, or take up knitting instead. and you can buy whatever saw you want because it only cuts as good as the blade.
cheers and good luck
You have lost me---
1. I said the weight was good (that was a compliment)2. The 705 is a pivot head saw (a.k.a. non-slider, single bevel)3. I said he may not want to hear this because others recomended the DW and he P.S. that the "DW" was not on the list.4. I stated that a good blade and treatment would go a long way in him being happy with what ever saw he bought.cheers and good luck Mike
Thats my saw, the Hitach that is. And yes it is.
Its tight and 45-47 pds can remember the exact weight. Thats one of the reasons I picked it, I have to move it all the time. table and fence were square, and in review usually are... thats one poor thing I have heard about the Bosch.
I dont know what its called, but the guard lift on the Hitach is a lever that raises when you push on the handle. I heard that the small wheels on the Bosch and Dewalt that ride the material to do this operation can get hung up on elaborate crown.
Its a good idea to go with 10", unless you really need the extra bit of cut you can get from the 12. Blade wabble at the edge of a 12 is much higher.
Around here Bosch, Hitach, and Makita seem to be the most recommended, run a search, these sliders are like the sidewinder topic.
-zen
Edited 2/27/2005 10:07 am ET by zendo
I currently have the Bosch 4412. It is a nice saw but there are some issues with blade run out on the 12" models. Both the 10 and 12 inch models will cut up to a 4x6 and neither will cut a 6x6 so the 10" is a better choice, and is less expensive. I believe the 10" would be the best choice based upon experiences with the 12". Granted I havent changed my blade yet to an aftermarket version so I dont know if that has anything to do with the run out. Just my 2 cents.
the supplied blade leaves a lot to be desired...
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I'm curious if anyone has seen/ used the new Delta 36-412, the new 12" with the increased capacity. I'm looking at stepping up to a 12" and am debating on the merits of biting the bullet and getting a slider or making due with the non-slider. The slider would be nice for the additional capacity, but as has been mentioned before, weight is a concern, as well as I don't runn into situations where a slider would be beneficial enough to justify the additional expense.Jeremy
I use to think i could get by with a non slider too. depending on the type of work you do, it can be used for notching, dadoes, carving if your good with it. i find i use it ALOT for those kinds of things. things not achievable on a non slider. on th other hand i am going to pick up a small non slider one day because it would be nice to take a small more portable saw for small trim jobs, and i just like having lots of tools.
cheers
TC
I bought a 10 inch Hitachi SCMS back in the summer of 2001. I have used it practically every single day. I have used it for framing jobs as well as trim jobs...and everything in between. It has never let me down. Things I don't like about the Hitachi are:
A. It's hard to read the scale settings
( though I think Hitachi corrected this on newer models)
B. The dust bag design is bad...lots of dust ...only some ever lands in the bag.
C. Not many detent settings compared to other SCMS.
The one improvement I would like to see Hitachi incorporate?
Would like to see them design a dual position depth adjuster similar to the Makita LS1013.
Other than the things mentioned above, I love this saw...it has been very good to me. The things mentioned above are just "little nags"...not full blown gripes....saw's performance far out weighs these minor difficulties.
However, I would be interested in hearing from anyone who now owns and operates a 10 or 12 inch Makita.
Recently, Tool Crib has the Makita LS1013 on sale thru June for just $395.00 which I consider to be a great buy. Have been thinking about buying this model or possibly the 12 inch model ( on sale for $500) and use it to replace my aging radial arm saw in my shop.
.Davo
<<" However, I would be interested in hearing from anyone who now owns and operates a 10 or 12 inch Makita.">>I have had the 10" Makita for maybe 5-6 years, and it is a terrific saw. In fact the blade is comes equipped with is so good, I bought another. I have used the saw for everything from crown molding to construction. The rap on this saw -- and maybe all the SCMS -- is that you have to tinker with it periodically to get the fence back in adjustment. This is not a problem for construction cutting, but it is if you are doing trim or crown stuff that has to be dead on. The problem requires more frequent attention if you are dragging the saw around to job sites, in and out of the truck, etc. The DC bag is pretty much useless. But if you are working someplace where you have to keep dust to a minimum, attaching a vac to the chute works pretty well.I like the fact you can set the carriage on one of the detents, and then move it a half degree, lock it down, and it will stay there. But the angle adjust thingy is on the left side of the carriage -- underneath the board you are cross cutting. This is more a minor irritant than a major problem, but I do wish it were out front where you could see it when a board is on the table. I know a lot of folks around here like the Bosch, and that's probably the saw I would buy if I were a framer (because all the controls are upfront). But for mostly cabinet and trim work, I would prefer the Makita.
I've owned quite a few different sliding miter saws as they came out. I had a Hitachi 8" that got stolen. Replaced with a 10". Both were fair. These were older models than what is available today. The fence on the 10" with the plastic slides was pretty poor. The newer fences are too small. I bought a Bosch 3915 about four years ago. It started out pretty nice but has gone down hill since. I'm getting quite a bit of arbor wobble, the blade guard mechanism is junk. I've been using a DeWalt that belongs to the owner on a job I'm doing. I haven't done any crown work with it or much more than straight and miter cuts but it feels like a very good saw. The DW blade is pretty good too. I stopped using a block plane years ago. Instead I fit with the saw. The detent lock out on the Bosch is great but the DW is hard to get off the stop just a hair. If I buy another new saw, it won't be a Hitachi or a Bosch. DW looks like the one and I'll figure out something for the lock out. I like the fences too even though I generally attach a long wood fence.
Beat it to fit / Paint it to match
Makita 10" or 12": light, accurate runs 4evr
And the only slider "Made in USA"
I'm real partial to my Makita LS1220 but I wouldn't rule out DeWalt......... see 'em on more sites (705's in particular) than anything else.
C.......I've had a 12in compound miter for so many years , that even though it's black and says Black and Decker Industral it is identical to the 12in DW and I'm told that all parts are interchangable I've never had even a minor problem with all most daily use.
The color and name change is probbly due to corporate merger or take over.
either get the dewalt 12'' slider --or retire now.cause you cant work with out it PERIOD!!!
dragged the Bosch into the back of the truck .. between the Rigid stand. and the saw itself.. this is one heavy dude.
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which is why the DW 706 gets used most of the time
Mike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Edited 3/3/2005 8:01 pm ET by Mike Smith
wheeled it thru the snow.. and carried it upstairs..
here's the set-up with the Rigid miter-saw stand
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Edited 3/3/2005 8:05 pm ET by Mike Smith
That's a nice-looking set-up, Mike. Are you happy with the Ridgid stand?
Allen in Santa Cruz
yes.. i really like the rigid stand.. but the combination of the Bosch & the stand is a beast..
a heavy saw like that needs a substantial stand.. the rigid is that
which is why our DW 706 and the DW miter saw stand gets the big workout..
we only set up the bosch for special jobs
good results with minimal effortMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Mike, I have the 705 on a DeWalt stand, and I like it a lot. But I want to step up to the next level with a good sliding saw that I'll mainly use for finish work. I'm leaning toward the Hitachi saw myself, but like the looks of the Ridgid stand. I expect that if I were ever looking for a sliding set-up to use for framing, I'd get a DeWalt slider. Say for cutting through 2 x 10's. I don't know why. I guess I'm remembering the days before Black & Decker bought DeWalt's good name, and DeWalt radial arm saws were a fixture on all big jobs.
Allen in Santa Cruz
been so long now i can't remember if our 12" RAS was a DeWalt or a RockwellMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Mike, you might find that a lot easier to load if you roll it up with the underside of the stand facing the truck - then just tip the legs to where they hit the top of the tailgate - walk around to the back and pick up the large hoop on the wheeled end - lift and slide
Hope you can understand that discription - sure makes it easier for me
shoe.. that works ... so does having my guys move it for me..
hey , i'm old and decrepit , ya know Mike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
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I have the Bosch 4410 and replaced the blade with an aftermarket blade from Ridge Carbide. Like they same in Old Milwaukee, it doesn't get any better than that.. I also got the quick latch base for my trac rac miter stand and except for needing to eat a few more Wheaties, this thing is rock solid and cuts smooth, straight, and true every time!
I believe the "Ridgid" blades are actually made by Freud.Edited to say, Did you say Ridge Carbide?
Edited 3/4/2005 7:33 pm ET by basswood
I just purchased a Rigid 12" slider after comparing every other brand out there (and after trying a bunch of them). It's huge but it is the best one of the bunch. Not only that, it's cheaper. I recently built wine racks for a client where I was using 1x12 stock and the Rigid slider made every miter cut perfectly. Like I said, it's huge but I think its the best one out there.
I have the Hitachi that you covet, it is the S#?T, I have it mounted on the Delta rolling miter stand with outfeed roolers. The set up is heavy but bullet-proof. Lots of the fellas that I work with have the DW. I also will not own a DW tool. My hitachi gets more praise at the site than the DW and the Makita, no one has the new Bosch yet. Only one was a 10" single bevel slider and not recieved well at the site.
If you go with the Hitachi you will not be dipappointed!
I couldnt agree more about the Hitachi. Simply the best saw out there.
I also have not used the Bosch but I have used the DW 706 which I didnt like at all, and the 10 Makita slider which I find very good but not quite as accurate as the Hitachi.
Edited 3/6/2005 1:43 pm ET by Bob
I have owned the Makita LS1212 (the 12" slider) and have been very impressed with it. I had used the dw750 and found it not to be as true, not to bring up the fact that I will not purchase any DW tools. I am about to add a second crew and think I will supply it with the Makita 10" slider. I have used the Hitachi and thought it was true but the angle indicator broke off during cleaning, and the handle to be a little uncomfortable.
I would suggest the LS1212 for anything from timber framing (which I do a lot of and found it will compound cut 6" round logs), to detailed trim (my favorite).
What ever you end up with spend the money. This is a tool that quality matters.
Big Ben
I mentioned the same "broken angle indicator" in my post on the Hitachi, earlier in the thread (54756.24). It was annoying, but as I mentioned, Hitachi responded to the problem...now the replacement part is metal instead of plastic and isn't likely to cause any future consternation.BTW, I'm still pullin' for the Hitachi.
Just got the hitachi. I love it. Perfect out of the box. Got the trac rack stand also...rock solid. The laser is great, I never knew why I would want one but I sure do now, it is dead on accurate.