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Mortise Patches…..

kneetwoods | Posted in General Discussion on February 17, 2006 10:03am

question might be better at knots but I knots know so here it is…

I want to remove an existing bedroom door permanatly and what is the best way to fill in the hinge mortises?? Also the holes from the strike plate mortises??

The jamb is currently stained wood and I would like to keep that look.  

So do you guys typically fill mortises in with putty or a sliver of wood?? Or some other good long lasting quit fix?? Actually, I’m more concerned with long lasting than quick. ….

Thanks,

Bob

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  1. Stilletto | Feb 17, 2006 12:21pm | #1

    Take the casing off,  take the jamb out,  replace the jamb with the kind of wood that you want and put your casing back on.  This will be easier and a longer lasting than trying to patch hinges and strike plates.  Prefinish and preassemble the new jamb to the same dimensions as the old to have a perfect replacement.

    1. kneetwoods | Feb 18, 2006 09:17am | #14

      Thanks to all your input.

      Very good ideas and tells me how to best go about this.

      Cheers,

      Bob

  2. DanH | Feb 17, 2006 03:41pm | #2

    One approach is to saw off the hinge flange and grind the cut edge to match the profile of the jamb. It will always be obvious that hinge was removed, but will look reasonably professional.

    Otherwise, short of new jambs, I'd just whittle up plugs to fit. If you're not in a hurry this a relaxing job. Make them a hair thick, then glue them in and shave them down to flush after the glue sets.

    If ignorance is bliss why aren't more people

    happy?

  3. FastEddie | Feb 17, 2006 03:57pm | #3

    The problem with replacing the whole jamb is that it might be very difficult to match the wood, finish, and patine, so you end up with a door that has two matching jambs and one odd one.

    Cut a patch to fit out of similar wood, and play with different stains to get a decent match.

     

     

    "When asked if you can do something, tell'em "Why certainly I can", then get busy and find a way to do it."  T. Roosevelt

  4. Pete | Feb 17, 2006 04:00pm | #4

    use a sharp knife and chisel to square and clean  up the mortises -- select a patch with the closest grain you can find.  cut it perfectly to fit (but a bit proud of the surface so you can plane it down to level later)  glue it and hold it in place for a couple hours with a spring stick against the opposite jamb.  if it still doesn't look good, you could veneer that half of the jamb.  don't even think about wood filler to fill such a large void.

    1. DanH | Feb 17, 2006 04:10pm | #5

      I have seen this done with wood filler. Some jobs really craapy, some not half bad. For painting it would definitely be an option.
      If ignorance is bliss why aren't more people

      happy?

  5. peteduffy | Feb 17, 2006 04:17pm | #6

    You might get the response on knots, but here it is anyway:

    Take a router with an inlay bit.  Make your own inlay template out of 1/4" Masonite or plywood, any shape you prefer.  Rout out the jamb, then rout an inly out of matching wood.  Glue it in, sand it flush, stain & finish to match.

    It will always be visible, but it will look pretty good if you can match the grain well.

    Also referred to as putting in a "Dutchman."

    Inlay bits are small diameter bits, with a removable bushing.

    Here's a link

    http://www.rockler.com/product.cfm?page=2007&SearchHandle=DADBDCDBDADADDDGDIDHDDDBGGDGDADHCNDDDDDCGECNDEDAGFGFCNGBDEGCDFCNGCGDDBDHDGDGDEDGDCDEDJGBDADADADBDCDADADADFGJGOGMGBHJDADADCDGDADADCDCDADADBDIEEEDEDEEEEEGEEEHEEEGEDEEEEEFEEEHEEECDADADADBDFDADADADBDADADADADADADADADADADADADBDADADADADFGJGOGMGBHJDADADADBDB&filter=inlay

    Good Luck.

    Pete Duffy, Handyman

  6. mike4244 | Feb 17, 2006 05:23pm | #7

    If you can replace the jamb, that probably would be the best way. If you do not wish to replace the entire jamb, then fill the holes with any putty, then rip a piece of similar wood 1/8" thick x width of the jamb from the stop. This is usually 1 1/2" for interior doors, may be 1 13/16" on older door frames. Attach the new piece with pin or brad nails,glue is optional, not needed.

    This way there is no horizontal line in the patch.Do both jambs the same way, and you take care of the latch too.

    mike

  7. joeh | Feb 17, 2006 06:42pm | #8

    Replace the whole jamb.

    From the way you've worded your post, I'm guessing you don't have the skills to patch it in such a way that you will have what you want. Hope that doesn't come across as offensive, but if you could do what you're asking you wouldn't be asking. Even more offensive?

    Joe H

    1. DanH | Feb 17, 2006 07:48pm | #9

      Patching in is more a matter of patience than skill.
      If ignorance is bliss why aren't more people

      happy?

  8. BryanSayer | Feb 17, 2006 11:14pm | #10

    I agree with PeteDuffy. I have to flip a door, and that is what I'm doing. Plus I have to fill in about 8 doors and frames where rim locks were installed when it was a boarding house.

    I haven't done the frames yet, but my plan is to try to attach the jig by putting down some painters tape and hot glueing the jig to the tape.

    I've got one old door frame that has the correct patina. I had the top layer sliced to make my patches out off. I'll route to a depth about equal to the patch, then sand the back side of the patch to get the height right. Hopefully I can clamp across the whole frame for some of the parts. Others I may just tape in place until the glue cures.

  9. splintergroupie | Feb 18, 2006 12:04am | #11

    If you are removing the door permanently, you don't have to preserve the existing width. Just remove the stops as well and simply affix a thin piece of wood, say 1/4" thick X the width of the jamb to either side, covering the holes and filled mortices like a thick veneer. (You have to fill the mortices so they don't show between the veneer and casing.) You will have to match the stain fairly closely, but this will be a lot less obvious than a patch.



    Edited 2/17/2006 4:05 pm ET by splintergroupie

  10. ponytl | Feb 18, 2006 06:01am | #12

    I've removed the  door stops and jams   run the jam thru my planner until the only thing left was the screw holes.  restain & hang...

    p

    1. joeh | Feb 18, 2006 08:15am | #13

      That's the best idea yet.

      You are a cheap SOB, aren't you?

      :)

      Joe H

      1. ponytl | Feb 18, 2006 06:20pm | #15

        kinda goes back to....

        when you've done so much with so little for so long.... you can now do anything with nothing....

        started out with nothing..... and have most of it left

        p

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