Ok, here is the deal. I need a sander for a lot of overhead work. I have to have a connection to vacuum, this getting to be finished space I am living in. I am pulling the T&G flooring upstairs and replacing it and while it is open to below, I will sand the joists…both from above and below.
I have a RT angle PC that used to have the shrould and hose connection..but..I gotta buy something a bit lighter. I have serious tendonitis and anything that is yanking my arm around like that is gonna be making it worse.
So, maybe a 4×4 w/o orbit? or a 5″ RO that has a dust hose, not a bag?
Forget Festool, I ain’t hit the lotto yet.
Whatchall using?
Current stable includes: Makita 4×4,PC rt ang 5″, PC 5″ RO,PC 3×21 bs,fien triangle…scads of paper for all.
Sanding 3×8 chestnut @ 16′ with hand planed surface, which I’d like to preserve, but remove the white wash and gunk..they are not removeable.
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If not Festool, then Bosch. And try the Norton 3X discs. They really do cut faster and last longer. Less time sanding = happier tendonitis.
Andy
"Never try to teach a pig to sing. It wastes your time and annoys the pig." Robert A. Heinlein
"Get off your dead #### and on your dying feet." Mom
I have been using 3M stuff left over from my guitar building days, I have some foil backed discs that need to be used up, they be getting old. Also getting hooked ( no pun) on Klingspor latley...BTW, I prefer PSA to H&L.
I'll check into the Norton line. Thanks about the bosch idea.
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I think Klingspor also uses some advanced abrasives. Look for the ceramic blends.Andy
"Never try to teach a pig to sing. It wastes your time and annoys the pig." Robert A. Heinlein
"Get off your dead #### and on your dying feet." Mom
I like them alot..good company there.
When I worked with Dresdner he had a friend in Chris @ 3M..we often got mylar backed stuff for the wide belt machine to test for them..and other goodies for free. Before it went public.
I have some old wide belts that have sanded MILES of wood and still cut when used on a RO sander..they never marketed all of the experimental stuff...some was TOO good. Like it never wore out.
Klingspor is the closest I have found to some of that trial stuff 3M was sending us.
Mirka sucks is one thing I know fer certain.
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I didn't know you worked with Dresdner? In Pennsylvania?Andy
"Never try to teach a pig to sing. It wastes your time and annoys the pig." Robert A. Heinlein
"Get off your dead #### and on your dying feet." Mom
5Th st in Perkasie, PA.
We built Bass's for Ken Smith...I worked w/ him on the Hydrocote Supply bus. too. Hell, he taught me everything I know, just ask him..he is in WA. now, just left TAcoma Guitars a few yrs ago.
I love the guy like a father.
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Ah - I knew he'd lived in Easton for a time, and that was my old stomping ground.Andy
"Never try to teach a pig to sing. It wastes your time and annoys the pig." Robert A. Heinlein
"Get off your dead #### and on your dying feet." Mom
how about a bucket of warm soapy water, a selection of scrub brushes from wire to plastic, goodwill throwaway rags, and maybe you know someone who could bend up a drip pan to catch the slosh? -
hate sanding, the dust and dirt and assault on the patina -
a light touch with a pressure wash for tough places -
"there's enough for everyone"
It took ya long enuf...geeezeus.
I just named the right hand 'pot scubber' 'pot scrubber'.
Dip me in hot water, I am used to it,therefore, I scrub.
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I've actually been working rather hard the past few - got the full court press on the orchard -
put the 'peach leaf curl' spray on today - gotta be done before a rain washes inoculumn into the just opening buds - first tank of the year is usually the hardest - this year no different - frozen control cable, freeze split section of piping - cleaned screens several times - (8 nozzles per side, each with its own screen plus suction strainer), just drove over the prunings, lucky I didn't snag a belt or three - got it done tho - rain tomorrow -
"there's enough for everyone"
I just thunked a trade of $ for compost...I need it bad.
My apples are still bleighted ( huh?)..
Be a pepper baron AGAIN.
"Kentucky's Hottest, these are the Peppers that killed Chick Norris."
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I /we have been peeling away a few C sq.ft of the paneling on horses out back, this stuff is really cool.
18'' wide..R1S t&g hand planed one face 5/8th thick or so, center heart, no spikes or loud whorls.....spell it gravy.
I am going with your take..soapy water and tarps.
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Sphere,
I like the Makita RO 5 in. When I first got it I didn't realize how powerful it was. If you get it watch out ordering sandpaper - count the suction holes so you get the right disks. I didn't.
Sorry to hear about the tendonitis. Several of the guys my age have essentially worn their backs out.
Any air powered DA sander will be lighter than electric.
The compressor to run the DA is going to cost a lot more then a Festool sander!
He's probably got a big compressor already. Or a flex shaft to a flap wheel with a homemade dust collector gizmo would work. Bolt the drill or motor to the ladder. I'd use an induction motor, much quieter than a drill motor.
Thought about a soiux but my compressor would melt down and no dust control with that.
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duane, you've got enough sanders to make it easier than doing it by hand. Save your money.
Does the dust shroud for the pc rt angle fit the 5'' orb. sander?
Put the ext. cord and vac upstairs so you don't fight that wt.
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Remodeling Contractor just outside the Glass City.
Quittin' Time
I don't have all the parts from the RT ANG PC shrould any longer, and it was a real hassel when I DID have it hooked up..it was real awkward and created an unwanted tilting effect.
Yeah, I will try to keep the suction device above me. Thanks.
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This may be too agressive, but have you tried the 3M sandblaster pads on an angle grinder? No vibration, which might help the tendinitis. Of course, no dust collection either, at least not on any grinder I've seen.
I've found these things to be really useful when I need to remove a chunk of something, like a bad patching job.
Before we were actually living in the house I used many, many of them on 4 different grinders, cleaning up the logs from yrs of paint and life in general...talk about a mess.
I will be returning to that scene after I get some plastic curtain walls up and final chinking takes place, after more ele is run and window jambs are extended.
I gotta get this upstairs floor/downstairs cieling R and R'ed, before one of us goes through a spike knot up to the knee caps.
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Some one sells add on duct collector hoods for RT grinders (and other things).Forgot the name, but it has come up here a couple of times.
Just finished ordering up for my dad back in Va a 97335k and a 333VSK 5"(all of which arrived yesterday) Which I have also. The hose for the 97335k fits the 333 when you take the canister off of it. Which hopefully you still have the hose so you don't have to spend.
Also ordered up Psa base pads for the machines so they could swith out to Psa, and an array of from 24G to 100 g Psa sanding discs.
His initial need is old siding paint remove=24grit.
http://www.dynabrade.com/Dynabrade makes all kinds of air sanding tools for industry. Their disc sanders come with, without, and self generated vacuum. And can be retrofitted back and forth if you wanted to.http://www.2protect.com/home.htmImpacto make antivibration gloves. The Air Gloves work really well at keeping my fingers from tingling.
adding more cents to your pot
don't envy this project but endorse Bosch for what's ahead
when I bought mine ( could it be 8 yrs ago ) the H&L was standard
and I'm not sure of the stiffness quotient of the stock H&L pad but
have learned the siffest ones work better than the soft or medium
ones so if you have tool crib or the like onm the phone try to talk
your tool advocate into inc. in the stock price a stiff one rather
than the medium ( if that is what is stock )
aftermarket / local real hard to find stiffer onealso follow advice on antivibration gloves / more arthritic side on the handle at head of sander and better side on the trigger but don't use that - lock her in full bore
Dynabrades are the best around; just got four new ones in ten minutes ago, will try them out tomorrow. H & L; I can't stand PSA, and I've done enough comparison testing in my old shutter shop to feel secure they do a better job.
Cabinetmaker/college woodworking instructor. Cape Breton, Nova Scotia.
Thank you all for the help and confusion(G).
I am leaning towards the Bosch at this moment. I have used air sanders for what seems like an eternity in other peoples shops..I like the weight, I hate the noise of the compressor, and I dont have a decent water seperater so the exhaust can be a problem when I decide to maybe sand a table top and wind up with crud all over it. BTDT.
Grinder is out of the question...BTDT too. Dont want the swirls. Even my old PC 5" will free wheel to being a disc with out orbit when lifted..it is one of the first of the species. That is why I won't bother retro fitting it. The RT angle PC is just awkward unless used relatively flat..hard on the wrist/elbow vertically.
In a perfect world the sander will have enough suction from the shop vac, that it'll stay stuck to the surface while I just guide it around ..hey, I can wish right?
BE certain I'll post some progress pics as I go at it..these are beautiful joists..bouncy and beautiful.
Bosch is pricey option for sure, but so is my sanity and tendonitis bills..percosett aint free ya know.
If I didn't have a clean freak wife, I'd be blasting walnut shells at it all.
Thanks again..wish me luck.
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"In a perfect world the sander will have enough suction from the shop vac, that it'll stay stuck to the surface "
I've got the Bosch 6" ROS hooked up to a Turbo II with the HEPA filter - ya gotta hold the board down when you lift the sander off. Might not work overhead, but pretty sweet. And darn near dust-free - DW will approve!
I think ya just pushed me over the fence....that is gonna be the winner. Gotta stock 6'' discs, but the dust control is a priority.
Lemme google the particulars and staaaaarrrrrtt shopppppping.
C'est bon.
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I think I'm missing something here...why are you sanding joists?
Justin Fink - FHB Editorial
Good question Justin! My house is 250 years old and the little bit of wood I've exposed, I just wire brushed it and seald with a good penetrating oil. I tried sanding a small piece of joist I removed - it didn't look as good as the exposed that I just wire brushed.
Remember, even though these are beautiful pieces of wood full of patina, in most cases thay were not exposed. And for good reason - dirt works its way through the foor above and the lint/cobwebs can keep one very busy.
Mine were originally intended to be exposed, they have a beaded edge and are dressed. Everything that wasn't intended to be exposed still have the broad axe marks. There is no sawn timber in the original structure, the panelling was sawn and then planed at a later time.
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He posted pics of his place once. Flaking whitewash, and bird - mouse - rat -snake - bat, etc crap on them, along with who knows how many years of wood and tobacco smoke. I think he's getting to the final layer of dirt that wont wash off.
You are oh so right.
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The joists are 3x8 hand hewn and hand planed chestnut that at one time were exposed , a a sweet 3/8th bead is hand planed on the lower corners.
This place is 150-175 yrs old log saddle bag in very doable shape, but it needs a lot of TLC. The joist were once panelled over with wide pine, also handplaned. Then a zillion layers of wallpaper, news paper, and pages of the bible even. Then, some one sheetrocked over all that.
I have exposed the joists and the underside of the T&G flooring, that once was white washed..I planned on saving the floor at first, but I have decided to pull it all up to facilitate cleaning up the joists. I will be laying either 2x6 T&G , or 1x6 T&G with 3/4 plywood on top.
The dead space has been a rat run for many yrs, and I don't want a cieling in that area, so a light sanding will clean them up just fine...and abrading with a grinder is not an option, it would be too aggressive for the subtle hand plane tracks I want to preserve.
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ah...thanks for clearing that up Sphere.Justin Fink - FHB Editorial
Nothing too new ..but here is the jist of it.
http://forums.taunton.com/tp-breaktime/messages/?msg=38593.0
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...I planned on saving the floor at first, but I have decided to pull it all up...
you shoulda done that on the first floor too and put in a vaporbarrier and a rat slab.
be now ya get to listen to the scales of the snakes scratching as they slither around under there
'Nemo me impune lacesset'No one will provoke me with impunity
It now appears to in the werks also..once I get a place to put everything that lives there.
be you fergot the skunks
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and a dead rabbit
'Nemo me impune lacesset'No one will provoke me with impunity
How about rigging you RA PC to something like a Third Hand with the down end of the pole on some kind of dolly contraption. 2 large hose clamps would secure the sander to a pole and end could rest on a 3 wheeled furniture mover.
I think this would reduce the weight tremendously as you'd just need to guide the sander over the surface. I once saw an ad for a similar setup in "Wooden Boat" for doing hulls - your situation is better because at least you're working in a constant plane.
You probably have all this stuff readily at hand or enough to put something together before you go to a fine tuned version.
Hey, thanks . But I aint a crip yet. I just want an easier softer way..AKA ..Lazy and tired.
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