I figured I post to you directly since you are so knowledgeable on ANY electrical question.
We did an addition and I am putting a new washer and dryer in that area. The washer and dryer are front load Miele and call for separate 15amp two pole breakers or a single 30 amp two pole. I have the two outlets already wired with 10/3. The electrical panel is a Murray. Is there a certain 30 amp two pole that should be used for 10/3? Anything special with wiring those, I’ll have a friend do it since its not something I know enough about, but I still would like to have an idea its done right.
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"The washer and dryer are front load Miele and call for separate 15amp two pole breakers or a single 30 amp two pole."
That is an interesting combination. Never heard of it before.
But I know some European based designs do have different electrical requirments. I would like an link to the installation manuals or at least a model number to see if I can find it.
You might not need a 10-3, it might be 240 only. Specially being European. But I would run 10-3 any way for compatability with standard US dryers. But you might need to use a different receptacle.
And I would run a 12-2 for a 120v/20 amp washer circuit. If it it is not needed in the future someone might want to use a "standard" washer.
"Is there a certain 30 amp two pole that should be used"
There are some very specialized breaker for specialized applications. But this will use a standard 2 pole breaker that is available at any home horror store or hardware store that handles Murary.
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A-holes. Hey every group has to have one. And I have been elected to be the one. I should make that my tagline.
FWIW Murray and Siemens are the same .. Murray was bought by Siemensthe breakers are interchangeable, and actually the Siemens breakers are Gould ITE
but just about any push in style breaker except QO will fit in the panel.I'm also thinking a 2 pole 15 and breaking the tab on the duplex would work too.
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I looked at one series on line.don't know if that is what he has or not.But it appears that the the washer and the dryer EACH require a 15 amp/240 4 wire circuit . But that they use a 14-30 plug.This is for the washer that I found."D -
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5 foot flexible drain hose connects
upper left rear.
208-240 Volt - 15 Amp 5 foot 4-wire
(2 live / neutral / ground) molded plug
power supply connects upper right
rear (NEMA 14-30 Configuration).
5 foot separate flexible hot and cold
water intake hoses connect upper left
rear.
"But you can get a "twining kit" (but they don't call it that) which electrically will supply both of them with one 30 amp circuit."Optional Volt - 30 Amp line to
connect two Miele machines without rewiring.""ò 057B Kit fitted with a NEMA10-30 Plug
ò 060B Kit fitted with a NEMA14-30 Plug"So there is no duplex's to split.my feeling is that the best option is to run a 10-3 30 amp and with the twining kit. And a 12-2 120 circuit. That way it is already setup for US standard appliances..
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A-holes. Hey every group has to have one. And I have been elected to be the one. I should make that my tagline.
I see it nowwent back and read the first post..
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Thank you for the reply.The washer is a 1213 and the dryer is a 1413. The receptacle is the same as the US electric dryer, 4 prong. The room is pretty much finished at this point, paint, floor, etc. are all finished. The 10/3 is in the panel but not wired yet. There is an outlet that a US machine can use but the set up of the room really requires the front load. We'll see what the capacity will be but they are each about the size of a dishwasher but are suppose to have the capacity of a normal large capacity top load.We were going to use the Asko originally and they have it set up so the washer plugs into the dryer then that plugs into the outlet. They were similar, 30 amp two pole, 10/3. We found out Miele was a much better machine, so went that route.http://www.miele.com/usa/laundry/washers/product.asp?model=44&series=17&subcat=21&cat=4http://www.miele.com/usa/laundry/dryers/product.asp?model=300&series=20&subcat=24&cat=4The twining kit is also called an "easy installation kit", they said basically a two outlets with a cord to plug into one plug. You can order it for $250. They certainly don't give it away.
Edited 1/19/2008 6:03 pm ET by DDay
I notice the 23 1/2" width. Did some looking in my bathroom. And I might do something like that. I have a wider space, but only 24" door.But looking at the price of the units I doubt it.BTW, checking the prices several places said that the dryer is no longer available. Unless you already have purchased it them you need to look at which other models fit.As to your question running a 15 amp circuit to a 30 amp receptacle does not match the code. But if that is what you have to do that is what you have to do.My personal preference is for a single 30 amp circuit as it is "standard". But at $250 extra for the easy install kit I would seriously think of doin gthe 2 15 amp circuits.But, if it mostly finished then it might not be practical to run the 2nd circuit.But it would not take running much copper and and with the 2nd receptacle and breaker to eat up the $250.As to your question a "standard" 2 pole breaker is all you need..
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A-holes. Hey every group has to have one. And I have been elected to be the one. I should make that my tagline.
Thanks again.I know one of them is not available anymore, it's probably both. The new ones are the same except the addition of a small lcd screen and the white color is a slightly different shade. We already have both and got them for a very good price. One was a close out at a Sears appliance outlet, that one was about half price, and the washer was the last model in stock at local store and that one was about 60% of retail. I agree with the prices, they're not cheap. The lifespan is suppose to be 2x a regular top load and it uses something like 9 gallons of water per load and very little electricity. This one, like all the front load has a washer that spins at up to 1600 rpms in the spin cycle whereas the top loads spin at about 400. The clothes are suppose to be almost dry to the touch, so the dry cycle doesn't need to remove the water a typical needs to.I know Asko makes a stackable that is a similar size but also a similar price to the miele and the miele is better. Check the bosch, LG, tromm, and some others. I know bosch has some machines that are small in size and are a much better price. I don't know if they have a stack set up but if the machine is small enough, you could always frame a little platform with a subfloor. I think the total height of the ones we have, stacked is a little over 6 feet. The dryers are light, so you would not need much structure to support it.thanks again.