Hey Guys,
Pretty much just need to hear I did the right thing, unless I really didnt.
The guy in the big brown step van just brought me my shiiny new max 890 round head nailer, first one ive bought for myself. My bosses in past have either had the hitachi 83 or bostitch guns. I like the hitachi except that it doesnt fire 3.5″ nails, and I wanted a RH ,and the bostitch RH ( from what I hear, (ive only used the clipper) has a habit of jammin) any who, thats how I came to spend on the Max,( always liked the color red to boot, as long as it wasn’t pourin out of me;) )
So what say Ye, did the boy do good? or make another mistake Ill be regretting?
thanx folks E
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We have a Max framing coil nailer and the 22° stick nailer. The stick nailer is a great gun. If we have a shearwall inspection, that gun will set the nails just right the first time almost everytime. I love that gun. Easy to clear jams too.
I think you done good. We have Hitachis, DeWalt, Bostich, and Max and the Max is the best of all our guns.
The max is by far the best gun i've ever used. You picked well.
"If we have a shearwall inspection, that gun will set the nails just right the first time almost everytime."
That's what I loved about the Hitachi 83. It would blow those nails to China. I'm nailing sheer and the heads are vanishing into the ply. Just great. Every shot is derating the sheer. Stop, see about turning down the pressure. No, the framer boys need it on high. Try the smooth nose attachment.
Works, sorta. Seen enough of those come off, roll down the roof and dive for the mud. Our tool place will sell you an aftermarket nose piece with a bolt and two nuts so you can adjust depth. The Max has that built in - and it works without a tool.
When I got to turn down the pressure on a fence job (heads sinking in the cedar) the gun jams. I was down around 80# and the heads were still countersunk. The super takes it, gives me his "You are so stupid." look, whacks it on the head on the pavement. Problem solved.
"Never met a man who couldn't teach me something."
Anon.
The other thing we do for shearwalls with a 4" oc edge spacing or smaller, is use SheatherPlus nails ( http://www.bostitch.com/xhtml/literature/AD4101_SheatherPlus_Broch.pdf ) from Bostich with the Bostich N88-RH gun ( http://www.stanleybostitch.com/default.asp?CATEGORY=BOS%5FFRAM%5FNAILER&TYPE=PRODUCT&PARTNUMBER=N88RH-MCN-2&SDesc=High+Power+Framing+System )
The heads on those nails are larger and so far the Bostich is the only gun that we've had success in shooting them. The crappy DeWalt gun will shoot them, but they jam pretty good after awhile. Because of the large head, they are much less likely to sink too deeply even when the pressure is set for framing.
A couple of weeks ago, one of the newer guys wasn't paying attention with the forklift and was booming some sheathing and 2x4 studs into the house and it was too much weight and the forklift tipped and dumped the load directly into the edge of a 2x6 wall that had 3 4x8 sheets of 7/16" OSB nailed 4" oc with sheather plus. The 2000+lbs hit directly in the center of the wall and when we checked for plumb, the wall was out 1/8" in 8' (using Stabila plate level). The guy was certified to use the forklift, but just not paying attention. He will no longer drive the forklift.
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Tim,
I've got that Hitatchi 75 coil nailer too. Great medium size nailer, isn't it? We strap all our ceilings and the framing nailers can get heavy by the end of the day.... that gun is perfect for that job with it's light weight and large nail count. Never used it for sheathing, but would consider it. Also great for SS nails when siding or exterior trim work.
Regarding the tipped fork..... been there. Old nutbag boss used to tip the thing once a week doing something stupid. Finally sprung for the outriggers so he can "safely" overload it all he wants. He's one that will never learn.
@@ A couple of weeks ago, one of the newer guys wasn't paying attention with the forklift and was booming some sheathing and 2x4 studs into the house and it was too much weight and the forklift tipped and dumped the load directly into the edge of a 2x6 wall that had 3 4x8 sheets of 7/16" OSB nailed 4" oc with sheather plus. The 2000+lbs hit directly in the center of the wall and when we checked for plumb, the wall was out 1/8" in 8' (using Stabila plate level). The guy was certified to use the forklift, but just not paying attention. He will no longer drive the forklift.
Go to your room! Eh?
I can normally tell when the rear end is getting a tad light so I have not been photographed in a compromising position like that. Yet. No escape from those digital cameras.
Did the load go all over or stay together? Any tips on how to recover from this? I'll file it away for later use.
BTW - H Depot carry the Sheather Plus or do you have to find a vendor. Understand that getting some Bostich nails is difficult.
The ToolBear
"Never met a man who couldn't teach me something." Anon.
We order in the Sheather nails. We are just about due for some more and I don't know the price, but I think it's not bad.
We didn't lose the whole load. We thought we'd need to get a crane or something. I was thinking of stacking material under those rear tires and then tilting the forks down and letting the load slide off. What I did was climb in and strap myself in really good and then as slow as possible let that load slide off. The lift was dead level so I knew that when the load came off, the forks would spring upward like a catapult. That is exactly what happened. The front tires came off the ground the same amount that the back tires were off the ground. The forklift bounced a few times. I'll tell you that was a ride and my adrenaline was going.
I think we are going to get the tires filled with foam. About 450lbs of foam would go into each tire and the extra 900lbs in the rear might have made the difference here. Since no one was hurt, no real damgage was done to the house, and the forklift wasn't damaged, it is a good learning experience.
I asked the guy driving, didn't you feel the weight coming off the back tires. He is oblivious. When I'm unloading the lumber truck, I can feel what the load does to the forklift. He will NEVER drive the forklift again. If he can't feel what the weight is doing to the lift, then what else is he not paying attention to? Too much risk.
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I asked the guy driving, didn't you feel the weight coming off the back tires. He is oblivious. When I'm unloading the lumber truck, I can feel what the load does to the forklift. He will NEVER drive the forklift again. If he can't feel what the weight is doing to the lift, then what else is he not paying attention to? Too much risk.
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Could be worse. Back in '83 our town lost two rather new Bering Sea crabbers from the same firm. Capsized and down with all hands. They load them up with pots and more pots and their metacentric height rises. If it rises too much from all that top weight, you roll and keep on going. But, hey! More pots, more money.
I keep wondering why the skipper couldn't feel that she was sluggish in coming back from a roll and put back to Dutch to offload some of that weight. Add ice to a marginal deck load and you are history. If you've been in a vessel for any time, you know its motions. Anything different, you find out why and fix it - or it will fix you. The ToolBear
"Never met a man who couldn't teach me something." Anon.
Um... was that your head or the head of the gun?
@@ Um... was that your head or the head of the gun?
The 83 got smacked upside the head. I suspect he wished I could trade places with it. <g>
The ToolBear
"Never met a man who couldn't teach me something." Anon.
Tool bear, I don't know what you mean about whacking the tool on the concrete. What did that do?
Anyways, the concept of lowering air pressure is a false notion. The real problem with countersunk nails is that the driver is too long. Way back in the 80's I decided that I wanted to use air to nail my exterior trim, but the countersunk nails looked horrible. So I pulled apart the gun and ground the driver down until it set the nails perfectly. That gun worked in perfect harmony with all the other framers until I switched to stapling.
blueWarning! Be cautious when taking any advice from me. Although I have a lifetime of framing experience, some of it is viewed as boogerin and not consistent with views of those who prefer to overbuild everything...including their own egos
Additionally, don't take any political advice from me. I'm just a parrot for the Republican talking points. I get all my news from Rush Limbaugh and Fox and Friends (they are funny...try them out)!
Blue - he figured the driver was stuck and gave it a whack to unseat it. Worked. I am cured of turning down the air.
Never thought about grinding the driver down, but I can see your point. The nose adjustments on the better guns approach the problem from the other side - fixed driver - add distance to the stroke.
I think some of the problem is this sapwood cedar fencing we get nowadays. Very little resistance to a nail. My old fence was 1x12 heart redwood. Old = 1962. Actually had more than eight growth rings to the inch. Then days are gone unless you are a Goggle billionaire.
The ToolBear
"Never met a man who couldn't teach me something." Anon.
You just blew $$$..
Actually, ya done good. First nail gun I had with a real safety.
I sold my Hitachi 83 (which has the feature set of a brick) and bought the SuperMax on sale at WhiteCap for less than a new 83, plus a one hour phone card.
I wrestled with my conscience for a week. My tool demon won. The gun has an excellent feature set. Plus, it has red paint.
One thing lacking - rafter hook. Gotta have one. I took one of the aftermarket swingers (Paris??), ground off one of the flanges and mounted it to the bracket at the end of the grip.
Anon.
I hear you on the rafter hook. We have a smaller Hitachi coil nailer that will shoot 3" x .131" nails that we love. It could use a little more power, but it's fine most of the time. I added a DeadOn tools hanger and that gun is a dream for roofs and pickup when you are on a ladder. The hook is great. I've thought about trying to modify one for the Max. I might still do it.
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Thanks for the pix. I've filed them in my Tool Ideas folder. Did not know that DS did one. Have seen the nail puller, saw wrench and cap wrench combined (diet sodas only, of course).
I have a Paris hook like that for the Hitachi, but I sold the Hitachi, so I framused up a folding hook with a bit of grinding. Why can't the builders either space the screws for the common aftermarket hooks or build one in or make it easy to add one.
We don't have a single coil nailer in inventory. Never had the chance to drive one. All stick. I can see where they are it for sheathing. How is this one on reloads?
Heard nice things about the Super Max coiler.
The ToolBear
"Never met a man who couldn't teach me something." Anon.
I own Duo FAst framing nailers and have been using them for 30 years. Actually, I had one for almost 30 years. Had a lifetime warranty. Anytime the gun needed repair I took it in and they fixed it for free. I seldom had to take it in. I own about 15 different duo fast guns and they are the best. I recently bought a max finish gun because duo fast now sells them and they told me it was better that duo fast. I am very pleased with its performance. Have not regretted buying it and they also have a lifetime warranty. At least, the duo fast store down here repairs them for free.
James