Am tired of OD’ing on Ibuprofen. Am gonna get some real painkillers and anti-biotics.
Tooth has no pain so I guess it is dead. But my face is puffed out like a puffy ****** and it is time to stop the crap.
wish me well please.
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Good luck, but I got to ask why did you wait this long?
Never be afraid to try something new. Remember, amateurs built the ark, Professionals build the Titanic.
money.
Edited 6/8/2003 3:31:04 PM ET by Wet Head Warrior
fair enough, go get your face fixed :)Never be afraid to try something new. Remember, amateurs built the ark, Professionals build the Titanic.
WH
My wife OD'd on IBpro....she had back surgey years ago after a bad boating accident we had.....that left her waking up in pain each morning.
She recently started getting black and blue marks on her and the doc said if it wasnt me beating her then it was the IBPRO.
I read several articles how constant use of IB is really bad for you.
Be in meditation and not medication (if possible)
Namaste
andy
In his first interview since the stroke, Ram Dass, 66, spoke with great difficulty about how his brush with death has changed his ideas about aging, and how the recent loss of two old friends, Timothy Leary and Allen Ginsberg, has convinced him that now, more than ever, is the time to ``Be Here Now.''
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scary. I hate being on meds but you do whatcha gotta do sometimes. I understand and accept your comments on meditation but failed this time! Too much clutter I think. Faith is a powerful thing.
I am looked at weird by a lot of friends because I claim that you do not have to believe in God to benefit from faith. (I do believe in God) To them that is near heresy. To me it is more proof how wonderfully we were designed. Each to his own. I know you believe differently yet, but the principles and truths remain constant.
Edited 6/8/2003 6:59:18 PM ET by Wet Head Warrior
WH don't envey you a bit.
Good luck.
Good wishes.
WHW, wow I hope your feeling better. Ya cant fool with infections. Just let them (Dr) pump ya up with anti biotics and some dope and soon the pain will go away...
Darkworks: No Guns No Butter squilla and the bling bling.
WH
My Mom Faith and her identical Twin my AuntHope......aint gonna say anymore.....
Be Faith Hope and I spose I might be Charity
Be well
Namaste
Charity
In his first interview since the stroke, Ram Dass, 66, spoke with great difficulty about how his brush with death has changed his ideas about aging, and how the recent loss of two old friends, Timothy Leary and Allen Ginsberg, has convinced him that now, more than ever, is the time to ``Be Here Now.''
http://CLIFFORDRENOVATIONS.COM
Hang tough and feel better soon you old coot.
am doing better. went to the oral surgeon yesterday and got the sucker removed. took the tooth home with me. dug around in it with my knife. smelled like a sewer line. yuck! I threw it out!
Delaying on getting an infected tooth fixed is like not paying your taxes when due - it comes back with interest and penalties. I have never heard of an infected tooth getting better on its own. Also, if you catch it soon enough, these days they will save the tooth which can be a lot cheaper than fake chompers...
Around here a visit to a dentist should run around $125, the same for a visit to a regular physician. A visit to an emergency room (at least for getting checked out on possible symptoms of a heart attack, but possibly less for an infected tooth) ran me a little over $1,000, of which I had to pay $360 with my medical insurance paying the rest.
I know. Plus the implant will be 2.5K!
you getting one of those titanium implants and a screw on crown.
my father in law (71 this year) is getting his whole set done one at a time.
i guess they reckon theres life in the old dog yet
aleks
I greatly admire any 71 year old person who is optomistic enough about life to spend that kindof money, time, etc. on something like that!
i agree he retired from a government job about 8 years ago after his youngest (they had 8 kids) finished college.
now he spends every day at the family farm or fixing cars at one of the local shops.
i reckon he thinks that if he stopped he'd keel over.
aleks
I am an Emergency Medicine doctor. I am also a lurker, DIY kind of guy. You all have been very helpful to me over the years. So let me give you some advice. Stay out of the ED if possible with your toothache problems. I can do dental blocks and drain most dental and oral abscesses, but most of my colleagues cannot (particularly the ones without my thinning gray hair). You end up paying high prices for incomplete treatment. Your regular family doctor should be able to prescribe all that you need until you can get to the dentist and/or oral surgeon. Fact is though that when you call your FP they will often punt to the ED...that's just laziness on their part. They should Rx for you ( it will be the same that I would, but without the several hundred dollar" price of admission"). For your part, don't let it get so bad you end up in the ED for a long standing recurrent problem
Had a family physician once that rotated duty in the local hospital's ER. On those days he would schedule his normal patients to see him in the ER. I was seeing him about a hiatal Hernia, an appointment scheduled a month in advance. The office called and said that I should meet him at the ER. I asked about the cost, but they told me the doc would be seeing me on his own time, and it would be the standard appointment fee. Got to the ER, they insisted I fill out the hospital paperwork, and although the doc's fee was no higher than usual, the non-emergency ER fee (not covered by my insurance) hit me for about $350.
Now the only time I go into ERs is by ambulance.
I never met a tool I didn't like!
Edited 6/11/2003 6:56:09 PM ET by NickNuke'em
Good to hear you got it taken care of so you can get back to your ornery self.
Take care with the post operative care. Whatever they order. Hot, about as hot as I could stand but short of burning, salt water rinse always helped me. The dentist recommended it when I had some complicated surgical extractions. Seemed to help the pain a bit and certainly helped with the funky taste and crud that builds up around the incision.
Take it easy for a bit. Relax. Convalesce for a while. The world will get along without you for a bit. But before you get too used to lazing around and feelin sorry for yourself let me be the first to tell you to: Get Back To Work.
I am looked at weird by a lot of friends because I claim that you do not have to believe in God to benefit from faith. (I do believe in God) To them that is near heresy. To me it is more proof how wonderfully we were designed. Each to his own. I know you believe differently yet, but the principles and truths remain constant.
WH
I believe the same as you do just in a different form maybe. I do believe in a god.....but I think of it as atoms of all our loving breaths rather than some white haired dude.( different gods are what have caused wars throuhout eternity) I believe god is composed of all of us. We are each a god combined which includes the good bad and ugly. We create our own worlds and by the way, we're own own best doctors if ya know what I mean.
Be well brother
NAmaste
andy
In his first interview since the stroke, Ram Dass, 66, spoke with great difficulty about how his brush with death has changed his ideas about aging, and how the recent loss of two old friends, Timothy Leary and Allen Ginsberg, has convinced him that now, more than ever, is the time to ``Be Here Now.''
http://CLIFFORDRENOVATIONS.COM
Wow...that's deep man!
I wish you well, my friend.
I wish you well.
I hope they are able to take care of it quickly.
A good heart embiggins even the smallest person.
Quittin' Time
Edited 6/8/2003 6:34:14 PM ET by Luka
thanks. I got the anti-biotics and the pain killers and a royal arse chewing for my attempts at selfmedicating.
I hate taking pills like this but when you are desparate what do you do?
feeling better already. gonna call the oral surgeon in the morning.
Clear case for national health insurance..
Hé, mon homme--
C'est pas si merveilleux que ça. Avec l'assurance maladie que nous avons icitte, les salles d'urgence sont dabordées, les médecins sont en beau corlick après le gouvernement le moitié du temps et c'est les malades qui en mangent le claque!
Pis tu ne peut pas croire combien je paie pour l'impôt.
The grass is always greener....
Dinosaur
'Y-a-tu de la justice dans ce maudit monde?
frenchy is not really french.
Oops!
Hé, mon homme--
C'est pas si merveilleux que ça. Avec l'assurance maladie que nous avons icitte, les salles d'urgence sont dabordées, les médecins sont en beau corlick après le gouvernement le moitié du temps et c'est les malades qui en mangent le claque!
Pis tu ne peut pas croire combien je paie pour l'impôt.
The grass is always greener....
=
"Hey, Frenchy--
It's not as marvellous as all that. With the Provincial Health Insurance that we have here, the Emergency Rooms are overloaded, the doctors are P-Oed at the government half the time, and it's the patients that take it on the chin.
Plus, you wouldn't believe how much I pay in income tax.
Le gazon est toujours plus vert chez le voisin...."
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BTW--How cum you're not French?
Dinosaur
'Y-a-tu de la justice dans ce maudit monde?
Edited 6/14/2003 12:59:45 AM ET by Dinosaur
The average Brit's teeth are so bad, because the "average Brit" you are looking at is a child of the war/postwar years, when there was rationing, and nutrition wasn't heard of.
Also, as far as national health insurance, it has nothing to do with teeth. But I know that the first person who made the reference to health insurance was referring to the hernia story.
You're right; here in Quebec, dental care is not part of the provincial health insurance coverage. The exception is children under 12, who get ONE dental checkup per year on the cuff; if the kid needs any work done besides the check-up, though, you have to reach into the part of your wallet where you carry the cash.
I had a toothache like WHW's a while back only I was lucky and the infection never spread into my jaw. I lived with it for almost two years for the same reason as him, too--no dough to get it fixed (woulda been a couple of grand easily for a root-canal and a cap). Finally I couldn't stand it any more and had it yanked. Cost me $70 if I remember right, and I don't think I've ever been happier to spend money on anything.
Dinosaur
'Y-a-tu de la justice dans ce maudit monde?
national health insurance
No thank you--have you ever seen the average Brit's teeth?
I can get two trips to the dentist for under $150 per year. This is especially true if you tell them it's a "for cash" appointment (no insurance paperwork=no extra office work). BTW, if the office won't give you a break for cash, find a different one (like going to HD and paying retail at the commercial desk).
My last dental insurance policy was around $39 per month (versus $21.66 per month for two $75 appointments).
my teeth are ok
i go twice a year for a checkup and polish etc.. get a couple of xrays done.
cost is about £30 a time.
its not my fault that most people don't go or brush their teeth.
i think the NHS is a wonderful thing.
of course it could be better but i bet your health service could be also.
in the last 10 years there has been a shortage of NHS dentists as they find that they can earn more if they treat private paitients.
the only time i have ever been to hospital is to the ER for stitches and other work stuff.
every time i was in and out in less than 1 hour
aleks
in the last 10 years there has been a shortage of NHS dentists as they find that they can earn more if they treat private paitients
Aleks, if the NHS is so wonderful why is there so much demand from private patients?
i don't think its people demanding private treatment but dentists leaving the NHS. (i don't know why probably more money in private work.)
my dentist does both.
aleks
Doesn't seem like you can have one without the other, if there wasn't a demand there would be no money in doing private work. If the NHS was really wonderful there wouldn't be a demand for private services, would there?
NHS = Ounce of prevention.
Current = couple of tons of milking society with a pretend cure. A good heart embiggins even the smallest person.
Quittin' Time
i'm not saying the NHS is perfect.
and i don't know much about how its run.(probably because i've not needed to use it really)
but i think that healthcare that is free at the point of treatment is pretty good.
if people don't want to use it thats their perogative.
personally i've had the same dentist since i got my first set of teeth.
i don't think i'll change until he retires.
aleks
do the math.
because you didn't have dental insurance you delayed a simple filling untill it became absessed. then intead of a root canal you removed the tooth because it was cheaper..
Statistically your life will be shorter for every tooth you lose. With proper dentistry that tooth should have remained with you your whole life..
Instead of a $150 dentist bill you ran up a $1500 (est) emergency room bill. In addition you did some damage to your health that is extremely hard to quantify but significant.
now multiply that times 280 million people..
We are already spending the money that national health care would cost, just spending it poorly.
You as a single payer can't get good health care rates so the insurance companies sock it to you.. meanwhile those of us with great health care know what you're missing, and frankly we're tired of the working middle class and poor using emergency rooms like a doctors office.. We're the ones paying for it..
With national health care we can have whatever level of health care we want.. It's already paid for right now, the only differance is some insurance companies and agents would lose one more income stream.
As for the Average Brits teeth,
some of that is genetic and some of that is diet.. I wasn't aware that England included routine dentist visit's as part of their national health care. (besides compared to America England spends less than 1/10th per person then we already do..
Hear! Hear! Frenchy!"There is a land of the living and a land of the dead and the bridge is love, the only survival, the only meaning."--???
what I fail to understand is why isn't this a conservative issue?
I mean we waste billions of dollars on health care and it's a leading expenses in the nations budget. To reduce the budget all you need to do is control costs in health care.
The best way to do that is provide a minimum level of health care to everyone. If people see a doctor regularly then emergency rooms become much cheaper much more efficent..
We can still have private doctors for the rich.. We can still have plastic surgeons make 3 million dollars a year in the big cities.
Private enterprise controls expenses by shedding the high risk group onto the taxpayers. Why would someone who likes lower tax bills condone paying for some wacked out druggies health care bill? Especially if he goes to an Emergency room to be treated instead of a much cheaper doctors office?
Private enterprise controls expenses by shedding the high risk group onto the taxpayers. Why would someone who likes lower tax bills condone paying for some wacked out druggies health care bill? Especially if he goes to an Emergency room to be treated instead of a much cheaper doctors office?
The "high risk" groups you seem to be referring to, are generally unemployed (or unemployable). By definition, they cannot pay for any care; therefore they are a "burden" to tax payers in any event. Where the "political" divide occurs is when the government extorts 15% of all employees wages to provide healthcare for people who can afford it. I have had relatives in VA hospitals; I've seen government-defined, government-supplied, government-limited healthcare. I know that I will take what ever steps I can to insure that I can get the best care I can if I need it.
And private enterprise helps. I can shop around, my cash or premiums do not go to some administrator who is in charge of determining which blue the blue form should be. I also have catastrophic care and long-term care coverage to go with my general and accidental medical coverage.
Oops, sorry, wound up back up on a soapbox again. Apologies as needed or required.
We should have national healthcare. The government does such a very good job with everything else that they control that I don't know why there is even any debate that they would do a superior job with this.
But you can't shop around. as an individual you carry the heavy burden.. while HMO's give deep discounts to corporations and groups with buying power.. If you walk into the emergency room you get nailed to the point where it will cost you dearly.
Some administrator as you put it, works for the hospital. his job is to charge as much as the traffic will bare. If you have an administrator working on your side you at least get a fair shake..
Rugged individualism is a weakness as well as a strength. Going it alone and others will take advantage of you.. In a group you have strength. the biggest group of all is the United States of America..
Farmers are a classic example of going it alone.. very few farmers are making money now days. the ones making money are those who feed off of the farmers.. The Cargills/Archer Daniels etc. The only group that is bigger than those guys is the United States.
United we stand, divided and we're easliy picked off.
because you didn't have dental insurance you delayed a simple filling untill it became absessed. then intead of a root canal you removed the tooth because it was cheaper
Wait, easy, whoa; let's be clear here. I have had no abscessed teeth, and not that many cavities, either. I was relating how I "afforded" what the dentists call "typical" care: Two visits for cleaning & exams pre year. My point was that the insurance companies "create" costs to both the "provider" (the dentist) and the consumer (the patient). One reason is that I only have the one set of teeth and I intend to keep them. I also know about the "truism" the dentists tell, that in lean times, preventive dentistry is the first thing economized. So, having been through some lean times myself, I found an answer that works for me.
As to "average brits," the two I knew best had been through some tough dentistry in their days. One was born in 1956, and the other in 1968. Both had faced the NH "answer" of having teeth pulled rather than filled, and the decay had to warrant removal. Both had parents who scraped up the dosh for private dental care--and probably did not get an "equivalent" amount of care (not that the dentists were less competent, only that the costs of services were more dissimilar).
The currency converter tells me that my $75 office visit is £44.93 or Can$101.15--but that is just the currency. My understanding from some of my amigos stationed in Holly Loch is that cleaning, exam & xrays is closer to £55-60 per trip (Can$ 122-132).
It was not my intent to disparage international dental care--only to share my contrast from single/private payer provided care versus pay-as-you-go care. Really. Honest. Last thing I wanted was to be compared to a tailless feline.
Dentists vary in ability. costs vary too. As a kid my parents couldn't afford good dental care and I didn't take the best care of my teeth.. The US government could have pulled 6 or 8 teeth instead of the root canal/ crown work that they did when I went into the service.
Since then (on the governments nickle) I've had tens of thousands of dollars worth of work done by private dentists.. While I've paid some deductable, the government has paid for my dental care..
They also pay for the care of every politician's teeth (and I doubt bush has too many teeth pulled because it's cheaper) most teachers, cops and firemen..
face it, the government has many levels of care.. The poor happen to get the worst..