Does anyone have experience with this? I really like the look and want to incorporate it into my kitchen. I know I could ask this at BT – but – this is home design, right? 😉
Specifically, I am wondering about recessed lighting fixtures set into it, and it’s ability to handle skylights.
I am thinking of going with multiple colors, or all copper
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You mean the real stuff huh? I thought about that once when I had a peach colored kitchen.
"...my home is going to sell within 30 days for a whole bunch over our asking price"
(thats somewhere between asking price and fantasy island)
Wow! Sounds gorgeous! I would believe that as long as the support for lights, etc., is from a stud above the tiles it would work. However, until more people visit here, this is a question that you could post at Breaktime, also. You could mention this forum to spread the word. I got more help with my sink question over there.
I am thinking of going with multiple colors, or all copper
I would love to see what tiles you are considering. Is there a website for the tiles?
I am an, ummmmm , almunus of BT, eroom - I try to stay away from there. Lots of good guys, but too much red meat for me. ;-) Not that I don't like raw, I just don't want raw meat everyday. LOLNothing valuable can be lost by taking time - Abe Lincoln.
I only visit there once and a while. Is there a hint to be sure I understand?
Yes avoid the politics (to me it's the most boring stuff), gun arguments (I've done target practice, I don't see what there is to get excited about...I prefer bows) and religion (my business not anyone else's).
Noone has ever ripped me to shreds but then I also don't reply to posts just to reply, start a post that I KNOW will generate hostility or try to get the last word in discussions. I figure the posters are over 21 and by 21 you are pretty set in your ways, so it's difficult to change to change minds about politics, religion or weapons. This jobless recovery has done more to promote the consumption of exquisite chocolate than the finest chocolatier. Cost be damned.
PL's method works. For awhile there the ONLY discussions revolved around guns, politics, and religion. The ability of a thread to devolve into those topics was stunning, absolutely stunning. I checked out a link Theodora posted at CT - I must say, they seem calmer these days. I might sit out until after the 04 elections, tho. Bound to be flames over there at that time. ;-)Nothing valuable can be lost by taking time - Abe Lincoln.
I believe some people thrive on stirring up the pot with religion, politics, whatever, even personal comments. Some just love excitement, but others go too far and don't care if they cause pain to friends, family and others. Perhaps they are going through some problems and want others to share in their misery, indirectly. I really don't understand it, but Plantlust is right about some people never changing.
I am an, ummmmm , almunus of BT, eroom
And lived to tell the tale, eh, Wolvie? ; )
Ruth Wells
"Gardening is the only unquestionably useful job." - G.B. Shaw
trust me, I held my own. ;-)
I just don't like to, nor see the point of, arguing on the internet. I can't get properly worked up, if you get my meaning. It's just space. lolNothing valuable can be lost by taking time - Abe Lincoln.
maybe you could send that email to me when my better judgement fails, and I succumb to online argument. I try not to, but sometimes the impulse control doesnt work too well.Ellen
Interesting idea, Wolvie. I am intriqued by what kind of light and shadow effect you would get with the recessed and skylights combined with the tin designs. Another treatment I really love in a similar vintage is beadboard ceilings.
"Our whole American way of life is a great war of ideas, and librarians are the arms dealers selling weapons to both sides."
-James Quinn
My remodel client looked at tin ceilings, but decided to go with car siding, which is a big brother to bead board. The tin would probably work well with recessed lights, but you would have to carefully think about the light locations so they fell into the middle of a panel. Same for skylights...as long as they worked with the pattern, or if you elected to use filler panels to make up the difference, they could look good.
BTW, the car siding is essentially 1x6 boards, T&G and beveled edges, with a v-groove down the middle. The effect is similar to bead board, but it is a larger scale.
Do it right, or do it twice.
Thanks for the reply. Pretty much what I was thinking. If you had to alternate panels, what treatment would you put in to go with the tin??
I had an accent wall of the car siding in a home I had in Milford, Ma - I really liked it! Nothing valuable can be lost by taking time - Abe Lincoln.
I love vintage bead board as well. I have some I salvaged from a really old farmhouse on some property my Dad had - just waiting for me to figure out the best usage.
How are you these days? Glad to see you posting!!Nothing valuable can be lost by taking time - Abe Lincoln.
Hi, Wolvie! I finished library school, and am preparing to move, hopefully, soon, out to Oregon. Haven't been doing any gardening at all this year; it was just too hard to be in a garden with so many wonderful memories, and to have to leave it. I've been shipping some family heirloom plants out to my sis in Oregon, though, so when I have my own place again, I can start gardening in that amazing climate! You sent me a kind email earlier in the summer! Thank you. Yes, much raw meat at BT, but I try to be the broccoli.
ElCid's idea about coordinating the placement of the fixtures and the patterns in the tin was interesting. It would require an incredible amount of planning, depending on the pattern you chose and its complexity. But I am imagining some sort of border treatment that could frame a skylight opening, and I can see that would be a real feature. Are your skylights going to be flush with a ceiling, or will there be, for want of the correct term, a kind of lightwell/'dormer' thingy going up to them? If so, how would you treat the vertical surfaces of the lightwell?"Our whole American way of life is a great war of ideas, and librarians are the arms dealers selling weapons to both sides."-James Quinn
I'm still planning - I think I'd have to go with a complimentary surface for the verticals, or a solid paint with matte finish - I was thinking of a smaller tin piece for the "frame" of the opening - sortof like wainscotting, but - not! ;-)
Oregon! Cool - what part? How are the water issues out there these days? I was thinking of Oregon but the water wars got me worried.
Ah being the broccoli - btdt - maybe I'll peak in from time to time again, I miss some of those boyos!Nothing valuable can be lost by taking time - Abe Lincoln.
Water wars? Accckk! I'll have to look into that aspect of it. Thanks for the head's up. Portland and environs...I have beloved family there.
Beadboard on the verticals? I've seen some pics of various pressed tin treatments, and there are some 'border' designs that would be lovely used to frame the skylights. I'm interested to hear how the recessed fixtures could be treated, though. Those trim rings you use with recessed...are there styles of trim ring that would coordinate?
Broccoli. I have found that I've learned more about what makes people tick, on issues such as politics and guns, at BT, than I would learn just by sticking with my closer friends whose opinions are closer to my own. Truly, I have a better sense of where people come from politically than I did in the past. Plus, made a few dear friends. And enjoy quite a few of the characters as I've seen them develop. Taunton is an amazing place. I hope that the House Chat forum develops as a place where we find connections rather than divisions, among the various communities. "Our whole American way of life is a great war of ideas, and librarians are the arms dealers selling weapons to both sides."-James Quinn
I got to "know" quite a few folks over there, and really liked them - but - there are a few who consistently ruin any thread they participate in. At least they used to be there, and it just got boring for me - you couldn't even ignore it as it turned up in every thread. Sounds like things may have changed, if so, I am betting a couple of the bad ones don't post anymore. ;-)Nothing valuable can be lost by taking time - Abe Lincoln.
I'm still looking at the trim stuff myself, I'll let you know.
Water is becoming a huge issue in the northwest - mostly well south of Portland I believe. I'd just check the weather patterns to see if they are in a drought, and how long it has been going on.Nothing valuable can be lost by taking time - Abe Lincoln.
It would require an incredible amount of planning, That was my point. Itr might be too much trouble to consider, but if you could lay out the recessed lights so they fell in the middle of panels, and used panels with circular designs, it could be very nice. The key would be to have at least a sample of the tin on hand first, and be willing to move the lights to accomodate the tin layout. I thinbk if you tried to do a tin ceiling wthout pre-planning the light locations, it would be a disaster, as lights cut into the tin intersections, or almost centered in a panel, would look very bad.
Do it right, or do it twice.
Edited 10/13/2003 11:17:07 PM ET by ELCID72
Wolvie - i'm wondering if ElGid (is that right?) is overly concerned about the lights look awful if not centered in the tin pattern. I was thinking about flooring with those large black and white checked patterns. The all over nature of the pattern usually allows interruptions to happen where they need to be - without too much worrying about centering. As with those floors, you'd want to make sure that the most visually dominant wall has a straight edge (you can tell I'm dealing with an old house and aware of not being square!) But I don't think you have to worry about everything lining up. Try looking at some pictures in magazines for restoring old houses, and in books of victorian houses - especially the kitchens. That might help you get a better idea.
It's ElCid dearie, as in the old movie, and yes I'm concerned with the details. You're right about old walls not being straight, and in a tin ceiling there is (usually) a border of 'filler' panels that are designed to be cut at any point, not just at the pattern lines, so if you forget the lights for a moment, the patterned tin panels can be installed in an optimum layout, and the filler pieces will make up the differences for out of sqaure or odd dimensions. The difference between the floor tile pattern and the ceiling pattern, is that the floor will have furniture and rugs and such to break up the area, whereas the ceiling will be an unbroken plane, and any out of place items will be difficult to conceal. Sorry, don't mean to be a bother, and I hope I'm not one of "those" that Theodora is referring to, but my point is that with a little planning and effort, the ceiling can look picture-perfect.
Do it right, or do it twice.
Soory about getting you name wrong. I have trouble with a few letters in the font used here (combined with needing to fill a prescription for new glasses.)
I'd agree that it will look better if the tiles line up. But, what if the places where lights are needed, just won't line up with the pattern on the ceiling? I'd rather make sure the lighting is in the right spot. Now, with some spaces you can plan ahead and make sure that it all works out - move an island over a few inches, and now the ceiling tile will work, for example. But, in some spaces you don't have that kind of flexibility. If that were the case, and the tin ceiling really gave the right look, I'd just plan the ceiling so that the noticable pattern disruption is minimized.Ellen
I understand you. I have been looking at the restoration mags as Ellen suggested, and I'll write down the filler panel part. Thanks!Nothing valuable can be lost by taking time - Abe Lincoln.
Wolvie - We used pressed tin panels between the countertop and wall cabinets in DD's kitchen in Colorado...really turned out nice. There were some wall plugs, phone jacks, etc. to consider, but they didn't seem to be a major problem. It could be a bigger problem on a ceiling, though. I do like the effect.Things are going to get a lot worse before they get worse.Lily Tomlin
Wolvie,
Check out http://www.abbingdon.com/ for a selection of materials and patterns, as well as matching cornices. They have copper, brass, even stainless for kitchen backsplashes. You can probably pick a pattern with repeats that will allow any fixture placement you want. I have seen commercial applications where fixtures are placed any place on the panels, but I would think myself that in a residential application you would want to keep them somewhat symmetrically placed on the panels. The panels are easily cut anywhere you want, though. The trick is you will have to mount the fixtures either to the framework that the ceiling is nailed to (if you use the furring strip method described in the site you will have to add additional pieces, no problem if you use the full plywood method some people use), or to the framing above. The panels themselves have no strength.
In old houses you do have to do some extra work to compensate for out of square walls, non flat, non level ceilings. Someone mentioned the flat patterned panels for around the edges, but I dont think cutting the panels looks too bad. There are some good ideas on the site.
Good to see you're still kicking around the site. Hope this helps. Rich.
Thanks much, Rich!
This will be a new house, TG. I've had enough wall paper nightmares at old houses, so I wouldn't even contemplate this sort of thing in a remodel.
(well, I would I guess, since I wouldn't actually be doing the work!! LOL)Nothing valuable can be lost by taking time - Abe Lincoln.
Would the recessed fixtures tend to hide the highlights of the the tin? The light would be coming out downward and not directly lighting up the ceilings.
Cheers,
Peter
I am at the age where food has taken the place of sex in my life. In fact, I've just had a mirror put over my kitchen table - Rodney Dangerfield
The kitchen will have more than recessed lighting in it, I'm a mix-y type of grrl. ;-)Nothing valuable can be lost by taking time - Abe Lincoln.
i installed a pressed steel ceiling for a client a couple of years ago
it was my first time and it was tricky
i glued and nailed it using "no more nails" and the little nails from the manufacturer onto primed drywall
pot lights are no problem, except for cutting the round holes
various trim pieces are available
check out advertisers in fine home building, there's at least one in there
caulking is not a piece of trim