http://www.specialtytools.com/product_info.php?products_id=7742
Used for first time today…casing, sills, apron on 13 windows in 6 rooms. Using 15ga. &18ga finish guns. First impression is …this is a very cool deal. Time will tell, but unless there’s something hidden, it could easily steal half the compressor’s thunder.
Home is occupied, lots of furniture. If I’d set up a compressor if would have had to be centrally located and hose dragging into rooms…lots of potential snags and grabbers…even with 1/4″ Flexeel.
I stuck loose end of hose in pocket when disconnected. Easy on/off of tank on belt clip. Clips on guns would be even better…I may work on that. Gauge is a little hard to see and it seems like it could get changed during bump and grind, but didn’t…jury’s still out.
$3 to fill at the paintball place…guy there was really interested when I told him what it was for. I’ll probably get an extra tank for reserve. Ordered a metal case from Coastal Tool for it.
Initial verdict is very positive…I think it’ll rate up there with Cadex pinner. Not to mention the conversation starter value 😉
PJ
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At normal room temp the phase diagram for CO2 shows that going direct from liquid to gas phase is indeed what happens but the pressure inside the tank at that temperature is something on the order of 60 bar (atmospheres) . No regulator on the can would mean your exposing the tool direct to something on the order of 60 X 14.5 = 870 psi...WOW!
There must be some regulator somewhere or I think your tools a destined for a short life span. That pressure might be great for paint ball guns but nail guns aren't rated for that kind heavy hitting.
Anyone out there with more information should step up now or forever hold their peace.
QUICK STRIKE KIT $ 199.99 INCLUDES: 20 OZ TANK, REGULATOR WITH HOSE AND BELT CLIP.
I thought the same.
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From the link:
What is the regulator delivery pressure?Quick-Strike regulators are pre set at the factory not to exceed 200 psi. The internal tank pressure of CO2 is far too great to run through hoses and tools, normally between 500-900 psi at the pin valve. Therefore , the pressure regulator is pre-set by the use of a pressure-control spring providing a constant line pressure. This is ideal and sufficient to operate a multitude of pneumatic tools.
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Sounds like it should work then. Isn't 200 psi still a wee bit excessive for nailers etc, if they're set not to exceed 200 psi it would be nice to know just exactly what pressure they are set at. A good approximation might be determined by back feeding into a hose line with a pressure gauge attached to see what the actual hose pressure is at STP.
Woodway, attached a pic of regulator...works just like the ones on compressors, but smaller. I've been looking at these for a year or more, I think they've gone through at least two iterations. The pics on the link look different than the one I got. Part of what got me past my skepticism was the recomendation of the folks at Specialty , I really think they'd tell me if it was crap, and I imagine they wouldn't handle them if the problems were many...my kind of company, I guess.
As to temperature of CO2, I really can't say. Probably shot a hundred or so nails today and I can't decern any difference in the way the gun performs vs conventional.
Karl, I'd never seen the JacPac, went to the site and watched the video. Based on that, here are points I'd consider. The regulator looks beefier on the Jac, perhabs finer adjustment...at least a bigger gauge. On the other hand the Quick will handle any size tank. The Quick swivels on the belt clip, it looks like the Jac doesn't. My understanding it that the tank needs to stay somewhat upright when in use, so swiveling to vertical when, lets say, kneeling, the Quick may have an edge. I hadn't thought of a caulk gun, I'm still doing that with a Cox :)
I'll be the first to tell y'all if something goes haywire. I not big on gimmickry and I don't love something just 'cuz I spent money on it. Like I said, first impression is great, but it's just that. Stay tuned...six months of use can change things... I hope not though, I sure am sold on the idea.PJ
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Peter, Thanks for the additional info. I am glad to hear the system is living up to your expectations. In regards to the Jacpac, I would more than likely get what I paid for. The extra couple of bucks for the superior product never seems like that much a few months down the road.karl
Any idea if gun manufacturers okay its use? CO2 comes out really cold, any possibility of damaging the gun's motor?
"I am the master of my fate, I am the captain of my soul." Invictus, by Henley.
I bet by the time the gas reaches the tool it's warm enough to not be a problem. Consider that it's a gas leaving the regulator and being warmed by ambient air before reaching the tool for use and at the rate that a NG consumes air (CO2 in this case) there's plenty of time for the gas to warm.
This is indeed a very cool tool, might be one on my wish list.
Peter, I am ready to go ahead and get either a quick strike or a jac pac
http://store.workshopsupply.com/catalogue/product_info.php?cPath=264_523&products_id=2238
The Jacpac costs $129 canadian. I am curious if anyone can offer a comparative analysis of the two different systems.
It looks like the quikstrike is $199.
I like the idea of it for airing up tires as much as for running the air nailer.
Karl
Thought I'd file an update 'cuz someone was asking about this in an earlier thread.
After using this a fair amount, I still think the idea is very cool and I continue to use it regularly. Guns don't seem to have suffered at all. The thing is very convenient....everything I thought it would be in that regard.
Now the rest of the story. I'm not sure where they get the figures concerning how many shots one might get from a tank but they seem very optomistic. This from Specialty Tool site where I bought it:
Micro Pinner 23 Ga 1 3/16 1125 shots
Pin Nailer 18 Ga 2 500 shots
Finish Nailer 16 Ga 2 250 shots
Went through the first and only tank in a couple of jobs, mostly using pinner and 18 ga. brad gun. No biggie, I figured I'd buy another tank and have a spare on the trailer anyway. Next up was a Kitchen tearoff and replace HPL countertop. I nailed down the deck, and was close to finishing up when my stapler quit. Checked out the tank on my hip and it was iced up...I mean the whole shebang was frosty! Didn't know what to think so I set it aside and use my partners Baby Senco. Later after it defrosted, I figured out it was empty. Hmmm, one kitchen, a bunch of brads and some 1/2 crown staples...looks more like half of stated. So I'm glad I got the extra tank.
This gets me thinking about filling my own tanks, they're only $4 a fill but the only place is across town and closed Monday Tuesday and Wednesday...not very convenient. So I buy a 20 gal. tank, a filler, and a scale. So now I'm all set up.
In retrospect, I like the tool and the convenience, but it ain't cheap when you consider all it took to get here. To summarize:
Original purchase...$216
Extra tank (full)...$30
Case...$18
20 gal. tank (full) $106
Twin valve filler $42
Scale...$19
Better than $400 to get this set up the way it makes sense. I'm not bitchin', I'd do it again, but that money would have bought 3 Baby Sencos, or one Thomas, so I'm not sure it makes sense for everyone.
But then, Tool Junkies can justify anything :)
PJ
Everything will be okay in the end. If it's not okay, it's not the end.