2 questions tonight
1. Are Porter Cable and Delta a joint company now?
2. since when does John Deere make tools?
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1. Have been for a few years. Black and Decker (owners of DeWalt) bought them a couple of years ago.
2. They don't. They re-brand Hitachi tools. That's not the only arrangement between the two companies. If you look at Deere and Hitachi construction equipment, you notice that they supply each other with components and even whole machines (like slapping Deere yellow paint and stickers on orange Hitachi excavators).
The Hitachi Construction Equipment page is even copyrighted by Deere and has the same interface as Deere's.
http://www.hitachiconstruction.com/en_US/cfd/construction/hitachi_const/docs/htc_newequipment_selection.html
Edited 7/24/2008 12:15 am by boiler7904
wow, thanks for that info.
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PC and Delta have been married for 15-20 years now, with PC handling the hand tools and Delta the stationary and benchtop stuff.
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Didn't Black & Decker bring the Ulu brand of tools here from Germany in the late 70's?"Put your creed in your deed." Emerson
"When asked if you can do something, tell'em "Why certainly I can", then get busy and find a way to do it." T. Roosevelt
Don't know that one.
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Not sure of the progression, from B&D web site they list the brand as being introduced in Europe in 1993. About the mid 90's I picked up a 1/4" router with the Black and Decker/Elu brand on it. A couple years later the the same router showed up on the shelf with a yellow top and DeWalt label model 610.
I have a 3/4" B&D drill that was made in Italy.
Real quality tool, specially if you want to twist your arm off. Makes my Hole Hawg look wussy.
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In response to your query to piffin, Black and Decker did import Elu tools in the late '80's. some they kept as Elu, and some they re-labled as B&D. The first slide compound saw i ever used was an Elu. I even had a B&D router that was made in switzerland. Tools are like cars, you never know where they actually come from. The other day a looked at a milwaukee drill....made in china.toolman65
I'm shocked, even Milwaukees tools?
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"I'm shocked, even Milwaukees tools?"You just realized this, Piffin? Guess you're out in BFE........By the way, some of the Hilti tools are made in China. Also, and I'm forgetting the specifics, but I have seen at least one Hilti tool that was a rebranded Porter Cable.
It's really amazing to step back and see how far Chinese manufacturing has come in the last 20 years. I remember a time not so long ago when "made in china" meant the cheapest #### imaginable. Now they are making Hilti for God's sake. Course I even remember when "Made in Japan" meant junk. Not anymore. The Asian tiger is on the prowl!
And it was rockwell even before that. My 20+ year old "skilsaw" is a rockwell with the metal case not the cheap plastic they are now.ML
Those were good saws. I have worn out a couple. was the model number 910"The best saw I ever had was a Miller's Falls. Motor still runs fine even after using it for concrete for a long time, but the guard and handle were falling off so I retired the old gal.
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It gets exciting when the switch shorts out. Thinking of converting it to a Big Foot and getting a new 77 Mag.ML
Many of the tool companies are in bed together...
- DeWalt, Porter Cable, Black & Decker are one company
- Milwaukee, Ridgid, Ryobi are one company
Makita, Craftsman, Hitachi, Bostitch, and Bosch are still out on their own, but many Bosch and Craftsman tools appear to be similar lately.
...I'm probably forgetting some.
Justin Fink - FHB Editorial
I think there are a couple of holes or at least divots in you statements. I believe Ridgid is still owned by Emerson but partly liscensed out (certain tool lines) to the group you mention. Craftsman still belongs to Sears/K-mart and shop their vendors all over the place IIRC.
But I could be wronger than he**, would not be the first time (;-).
You're right about Craftsman...I am openly saying that they are not technically associated with Bosch...just that similarities seem to keep coming up. Same factories, perhaps.
But Ryobi, Ridgid, and Milwaukee work together. They are considered Good, Better, and Best - and develop tools with that delineation in mind. Justin Fink - FHB Editorial
Not quite accurate in the way you word that. I wouldn't pick on it6 except that you are an editor and need to structure your sentences more carefully than the rest of us yahoos...LOLThe first two sets of br5ands are not one company, but are owned by7 the same corporate head at the top. They still function as separate brands and separate manufacturing locations.Bosch is not so separate and independent. The USA Presence is SKBosch having combined with Skil.And Crapsman generally subcontracts its supply chain. A lot of the tools currently wearing the sears name are Ryobiis dressed in black
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Several of the Craftsman are clearly rebranded from other brands.Typically a different colored plastic and label and accessories are the difference.Don't know if Boosch is the only company that they do this with or not.In the product reviews you can see it in both the specs and the pictures. Off the top of my head I can't point out a tool like that.But the bulk of their power tools are designed to their specs and while that have some similarity to Ryobi they are clearly different..
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A-holes. Hey every group has to have one. And I have been elected to be the one. I should make that my tagline.
"are designed to their specs"But you won't find a Sears power tool factory anyplace, will you?They only have somebody writing specs based on knocking off what others have produced, designed and tested out.
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<< The first two sets of br5ands are not one company, but are owned by7 the same corporate head at the top. They still function as separate brands and separate manufacturing locations. >>
Yes, you are correct. the wording does make a difference here. The loose point is that they are 3 brands under the same umbrella. Justin Fink - FHB Editorial
Bosch is Skil/Bosch..
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A-holes. Hey every group has to have one. And I have been elected to be the one. I should make that my tagline.
Ryobi is a Japanese company. TTI is Chinese conglometate and manufactures tools for Ryobi and owns the right to distribute them in North America for Ryobi, but ownership of the brand and profits still go to Japan. TTI also owns Milwaukee, Stiletto, etc. and makes tools for Ridgid, but the Ridgid brand is owned by Emerson and they still make many of their own vacs. Emerson and TTI are in a partnership agreement.
Rockwell bought Delta in 1945.
And PC in 1960.
And Pentair bought both from Rockwell in 1981.
They started merging Delta and PC in 1999.
http://www.deltaportercable.com/AboutUs/delta_history.aspx
http://www.deltaportercable.com/AboutUs/pc_history.aspx
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A-holes. Hey every group has to have one. And I have been elected to be the one. I should make that my tagline.
My tool service center is called, "Black & Decker, Porter Cable, Delta, Dewalt".
Its quite amusing listening to them answer the phone.
Does anyone know much about the manufacturing process for our common power tools? For instance, is there a big building with the name "Bosch" on the side where they are manufacturing Bosch tools?" Or is it all contracted?For a brief period some years ago, I worked in a plastic injection factory. It was really pretty interesting. We'd put handles on Fiskar Scissors. We'd injection mold 4 in one screwdriver handles that said "craftsman". Then they'd reload the injection molder with cheaper plastic and we'd use the same guts and turn out some screwdrivers that said something on the order of "Toolshop" I had the impression then that pretty much everything was done by contract manufacturers, but perhaps that isn't true with power tools.
Good question, I would think that Bosch may have a few plants but you probably have a point.
Course in the end I don't know how much it matters where they are assembled. A good tool is first and foremost well designed. Then the components probably meet some quality standard. Really raises the question of what it means when we say something is "made" somewhere.
Bosch first built in Carolina when they came to the US.Everyone else except Milwaukee has been moving offshore to Peutorico, China, and Mexico.
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so Andy, I take it that you are home from your southern tour de tools et housing. You got a thread on that going yet to tell us all about it? I could have missed it.
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yep you missed it, it's called "I'm back" and is in the Tav.
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