Does anyone have an old (over 150yrs) diagram of how to construct a box gutter? We are getting ready to rebuild some and looking for some ideas.
Thanks
Tim
Does anyone have an old (over 150yrs) diagram of how to construct a box gutter? We are getting ready to rebuild some and looking for some ideas.
Thanks
Tim
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There is a thread going on here currently by Sphere. I will see if I can conjure him up.
Another or two by either Slateman or seeyou.
The search function might get you there.................
http://forums.taunton.com/n/mb/message.asp?webtag=tp-breaktime&msg=114552.11
There's three or four experts here.
In the meantime:
http://www.copper.org/applications/architecture/arch_dhb/gutters_downspouts/gutter_linings.html
Does anyone have an old (over 150yrs) diagram of how to construct a box gutter? We are getting ready to rebuild some and looking for some ideas.
Thanks
Tim
Does anyone have an old (over 150yrs) diagram of how to construct a box gutter? We are getting ready to rebuild some and looking for some ideas.
Thanks
Tim
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Does anyone have an old (over 150yrs) diagram of how to construct a box gutter? We are getting ready to rebuild some and looking for some ideas.
Thanks
Tim
Suarepeg,
You've got my handle down incorrectly. There is a younger man from Vermont who has the shortened version you wrote , but he's only been on here a few times.
thanks!
And thank you too !
I would get the SMACNA hand book for sheet metal. Also on the Slate Roof Message Board there been alot post on box gutter info there. And the Traditional Roofing Mag listed there on the left side of the SRMB home page, would have alot of great info to read first before a your install happens. Hope this help, let me know if you have any other questions.
I don't have any diagrams, because they are not all constructed the same, but have rebuild a lot.
First you have the elements, such as bottom board that sits on a lookout and a lamb's leg that adjusts the bevel board. and ypu have the pitch to factor in.
Best I can tell ya is copy what was there but make it better. Better by using better fastners ( screws V nails) and be working with a string line for straight.
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We are building the lookouts with of 3/4" double plywood and lining with tin. Not much to go on since everything was completely rotted.I was for old architectrial drawings. Any out there?
I've never seen any, sometimes ya just gotta eng. it yourself.
Size for roof load and snow/rain dumping.
I gotta head out to the roof, or I'd scribble ya a picture.Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
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How about posting a good picture of the front again. This is the same house as the door thread is it not ??
How steep is the roof pitch ? How many sq.'s of roofing going to this gutter ?
construct a box gutter
My question would be WHY?? Is this for something on the historical register or governed by a local preservation/architecture issue?
If not, do like I did with the rotten box gutters on Mom's 100+ YO house - tor'em off and built a 10" overhang on the 12/12 roof.
WHY is we are restoring NOT remodeling. I have worked on some many jobs where the HACKS do as cheap and a bad job figuring who is going to get a ladder and climb up to see what we did. That is not how we operate.
How far are you from Richmond? Or Lex. I may be able to give you a face to face demo.Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
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I see ya..just up 75 maybe 2 hours +/- ..if ya need , I can come up. Email me thru here and I can give ya a Ph.# if ya so desire.Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
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Hey I'm only 2 hrs away you gonna come help me?
Sure, what with?Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
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Not sure yet. but now that i know your willing i'm sure i can find something! :)
Any suggestions on step-by-step instructions on breaking hems and soldering tin? I have completed the framing of the box gutter, now I need to break the tin and solder it.
Did you not see my work in progress?
http://forums.taunton.com/n/mb/message.asp?webtag=tp-breaktime&msg=114552.1
Just fold up one leg a half inch, the other a full..tin both, fold , fold again, and hammer flat and sweat them in.Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
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Thanks this will help immensely!
You'll be surprised that solder (50/50) went double in price recently...I just paid 3 bucks a stick at ABC. Thats a 1/4 pound stick.BTW.Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
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I had to buy a new 4# soldering iron OUCH $51.00 for the iron $2.22 for the handle that split hen i put it on. I have a turbo torch that I use for plumbing can I use it to heat up the iron? If not what type of tip would I need?
Thanks
Tim
I'll be updating my thread in a minute and you can see the oven that is used. I borrowed it from SeeYou's main man, my ex co-worker. I don't see how you could heat the single iron and make any headway..or have any fun.
I use a Sievert torch for gutter liner and smaller jobs that won't take all day. You MAY beable to use a soldering tip that fits on a propane nozzle, but I've never tried that..it's small and kinda skimpy surface wise.
You can also heat your iron in a charcoal brazier, but man, thats a lot of trouble for gutter seams, I'd buy a Sievert...expect to pay..sit down...500 bucks.
Thats why I make the big bucks, LOL to pay for my toolage addiction..
See my thread in about a 1/2 hour.Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
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>>>>>>>I had to buy a new 4# soldering iron OUCH $51.00 for the iron $2.22 for the handle that split hen i put it on.A 4# copper is way too big to solder terne box gutter liner with especially for a novice. You'll have Popeye arms before you're done. Two 2# coppers would be much more effective. One in the heat while you're soldering with a hot one. >>>>>>>>>>I have a turbo torch that I use for plumbing can I use it to heat up the iron?Yeah - that'll work, but you'll need to make a holder for the copper - it'll take several minutes to heat the copper the first time and a minute or two to sweeten it each time.Pre-tin your joints or they'll likely fail if you have more than 20' or so of gutter.
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$2.22 for the handle that split hen i put it on.
Oh yeah, I forgot. Soak the handle well before driving it on.http://www.quittintime.com/ View Image
My buddy had a 1000w electric iron WOW it gets hot!
I have a copy of this book:
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http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0486244385?ie=UTF8&tag=mitchellspubl-20&linkCode=as2&camp=1789&creative=9325&creativeASIN=0486244385
http://www.mitchellspublications.com/rep/arch/radford/ohms/index.htm
It has a number of period details, including built-in gutters.
Jeff