Lost that other thread but here’s the pics.
Don’t know if it’s a nut tree or what, splits easy tho’.
be seeing red
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box elder
Is the two red growth rings close to the heart common in all of them?
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Red is common in boxelder, mostly in the heart...can be cool shaped streaks or in blotches. Makes for interesting bowls or furniture, etc.
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I'm gonna pass along the pics to Dave the Arborist
here he is. Dave Leonard Consulting Arborist, Inc.
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But he is away in MN doing a conference this week.
I dunno..looks like a mineral reaction..you been drinking cranberry juice and pee-ing on the tree?
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That's box elder. Related to maple. Red heart is common but often fades with time.
Very pouplar for turning green on the lathe, it's easy.
"Related to maple."
Box-elder (Acer negundo) is a true maple. It's also called ashleaf maple, as its leaves are often in the form five leaflets, similar to an ash tree. Sometimes the leaves only have three leaflets, the end one having three pointed lobes.
It has winged seeds like all maples. It can also be tapped for making maple syrup.
Allen
To be technical, the seed is not winged...the fruit which contains the seed is winged. In the case of maples the fruit is a winged achene which is called a samara.Sincerely,the biomorphological nomenclature police ;o)
On a different note...
Rare American chestnut tree discovered in Sandusky marsh
State officials reveal existence of hardwood, but won't give its exact location
Published on Tuesday, Mar 25, 2008 Associated PressSANDUSKY: For about seven years, the state's natural resources leaders have harbored a secret. They still won't reveal the exact location of it or allow outsiders to see it.
This Ohio treasure's existence was closely guarded until last week, when the director of the Ohio Department of Natural Resources revealed that a full-size American chestnut tree still stands in a marsh near Lake Erie.
American chestnuts that grew up to 120 feet once accounted for about 25 percent of the forests in the eastern half of North America until a fungus wiped out all but a few.
''They are often referred to as the redwood of the East because of their tremendous size,'' said Gary Obermiller, a regional manager for the Division of Natural Areas and Preserves.
The fungus was first detected in 1904 in trees in New York City, and by 1950 some 3.5 billion trees — about 90 percent of the species — were dead. Only a few trees had resistance to the fungus and survived.
In Ohio, most American chestnut trees were found in the eastern half of the state.
The state's largest existing chestnut tree — known only to a few until last week — is in Sheldon Marsh, a 465-acre state nature preserve about midway between Toledo and Cleveland.
The tree stands 89 feet tall and has a 5-foot circumference. ''To our knowledge, we don't have any that come close to this size,'' Obermiller said.
Most surviving chestnut trees are small, sprouting from the roots of trees killed by the fungus.
Steve Maurer, the new chief of Natural Areas and Preserves, decided the public should be told about the tree, Obermiller said.
''He realized this was a very special tree,'' Obermiller said.Maurer has asked the American Chestnut Foundation if it wants samples of the tree to determine if the tree is resistant to the chestnut blight, Obermiller said.
The tree produces fruit, but the seeds aren't viable because there isn't another tree to pollinate it, he said.
Natural resources director Sean Logan let it slip last week that the tree exists. He said during a meeting of the Ohio Lake Erie Commission that he was going to visit it later that day. But the exact site is still protected.
State officials want to make sure the tree remains, and there is an eagle's nest in it.
http://www.ohio.com/news/top_stories/16974706.html?page=2&c=y
Peach full,easy feelin'.
Lots of research on the subject.
Take a peek: http://www.accf-online.org/Blight/Control/integrat.htmlPAHS Designer/Builder- Bury it!
Tom, thanks for that. Fascinating.
Of late, I have been reading original pioneer accounts of my as it was first being settled by persons of European ancestry. It was a truly a different world back then, and the stands of Chestnuts were a large part of it. My own home has Chestnut floors.
Allen
You're welcome. Va Tech has a lot of interesting horticultural programs.
Wanna grow "wild" ginseng? They'll show you how, but you better not tell anybody where you did it.
Chestnut boards/timbers are common recycle here. The largest, best generally go to Mountain Lumber http://mountainlumber.com/ Pretty amazing operation they have here. Smaller stuff mostly gets burned. I've had several pickup loads dumped out here, hoping somebody would be interested. My house got some chestnut windowsills, but I don't find it all that attractive. PAHS Designer/Builder- Bury it!
Very Cool!! I remember that area well . I, for one, hope it does stay hidden to protect it from the blight.
They can't get your Goat if you don't tell them where it is hidden.
That's cool. Glad to see one survived.
We have "Box Elder" down here in Central Texas, but it has dark brown heartwood...
I've heard of two or three large, mature American Chestnut trees here in western New York state, also. One is in the Zoar Valley, south of Buffalo. This steep-sided valley is reportedly one of the few true Old Growth forests left in the East, spared clearing and lumbering because of the difficult terrain.
I suspect these isolated Chestnut trees are truly resistant to the blight, rather than simply "removed" from it. Certainly there were other nearby specimens that long ago succumbed to the disease.
I've planted a couple American Chestnut trees from Musser Forests (Pennsylvania) on my property. Musser claim they have fairly mature trees that bear fruit. I don't really expect my trees to survive, but there's alway hope!
Allen
Judging by the bark etc you have a box elder. The red streaking is a fungus. It is the same as spalting in a maple. It is just a different type of fungus that's red instead of black.
The fungus is transported through the waste of the box elder bettle larve. It grows up through the tree and kills it very quickly. It's prized by wood turners and furniture builders. The wood is usally very punky when cut so it's pretty rare. In plank form the wood sells for around $24.00 a bf around here.
$24 a board foot.
Well, I wish I'd know that before I cut it into firewood lengths.
I did leave one 6 to 8 foot length there as the diameter was a bit much for a 16" bar and it was an end of the day getting routine. Looked to be something around 20".
So if I attempt to retrieve that log, what lengths might I be able to cut it into if I should even cut it?
Thanks
edited to add that the other identical log that was cut had no red in it so apparently the bulk of the red was centered on one or two limbs which are already cut.
I do have a wood carving friend I'll take it to see if she wants it.
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Edited 3/25/2008 5:28 pm ET by rez
rez
"Well, I wish I'd know that before I cut it into firewood lengths."
Here's a piece of maple I split last weekend. I've been finding pieces like this in the firewood pile for a year; so, more than one tree's worth. I know there are better looking pieces in my stack of split wood. This just happened to be on top.
Ron
What is that, curly maple?
I'm going to have to go thru my wood stack and salvage any of that red box elder.
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rez,
That's right - really tight grain, too. I've planed some of it just to look at. Then it goes in the stove.
Ron
you villain.
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You save a chunk of that wood for me, and I'll turn something out of it for you.
Bring it to the Fest.
Shep, I think you'll like it. A buddy here turned me a "change for lenses" bowl. Very nice.
Rez-burns for ####.
Keep it elevated and dry-it'll punk up just looking at it.A Great Place for Information, Comraderie, and a Sucker Punch.
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This I have discovered. Both of them.
Now hard maple, ah, there's a whole 'nother story.
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I'm willing to bet that stump sprouts out this spring.A Great Place for Information, Comraderie, and a Sucker Punch.
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No stump. There were two almost identical like 20" dia limbs that fell side by side about 5 foot apart. The tree is still alive but not too much there now.
If a buddy ends up buying the place then I'd have access to the tree which is hey, I dunno dia but it'd take more than a 16" bar no matter how good you are.
be but I'd try it.
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Gotcha.
Put a tire swing on one down the hill, for my daughter when we moved in here. The branch took a horizontal turn and then headed for the ground. BIG ARCH sort of thing.
It's still up there, closer to the ground and has shed some of itself. Might be some green coming out of it this year, and then maybe not.
They love water.
And the tops break off quite regularly.
Tapped them and some maples a long time ago. The maple "taste'' isn't quite there, but they do run sap.A Great Place for Information, Comraderie, and a Sucker Punch.
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Have any red in it?
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Beats me-that was down the hill. For that to go up, needs to be a good heat giver.
The couple up here sure have some in it.
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at $24 board foot are you tempted to mess with it?
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No, but anyone needing some of that wood can come by after a good wind. Be happy to point 'em up. Box Elder here is a pretty prolific species. River tree I guess.A Great Place for Information, Comraderie, and a Sucker Punch.
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But with the red is what I'm talking about.
That tree I spoke of had only major noticable red in one of the smaller limbs. The large dia limbs didn't have any.
Couldn't get over how bright red some of the pirces were.
First thing I thought of was trying to make something out of it.
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I know a turned bowl is beautiful.
And I know a fairly good sized box elder that is leaning over the drive. Would have taken out the crapper if it was still in that spot.
I'll let you know if it keels over, or we find a way to extricate it safely.A Great Place for Information, Comraderie, and a Sucker Punch.
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bet ya shep and jet would be interested in turning some is it has the red.
be one delivery to PeachFest coming right up!
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Alright, I'll see what I can come up with.......
lessee, red streaked box elder.
ok, got it.A Great Place for Information, Comraderie, and a Sucker Punch.
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Never realized how common Box Elder is around these parts till recently.
Now when I'm driving and scoping out firewood I see a proposterous number of those things laying down all around.
Sure wish they were good burning and I'd be loaded for bear.
Now I just keep on driving by and don't miss a beat.
But I have to bring up if they are good for anything or are they just catagorized alongside willow?
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They are good at keeping the production of the box elder bug up in large proportions. This is important because if you have them in your house, you don't need to spend money on a blower door test (unless you are looking for the source of the leaks).
After than and some bowl turnings and padding your maple syrup...........beats me.A Great Place for Information, Comraderie, and a Sucker Punch.
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Leave it as is, the longer the board the better. Get someone with a portable mill to saw it up for you. And he can give you the name of someone who can kiln it. Or you can let it dry for a year. Treat it just like maple.
The go to you local wood dealer who specializes in exotic woods. And he'll probably give you $3.00 a bf and sell it for $24.00. Actually I would sell it on eBay People will pay anything for a nice piece. I see wood go for crazy prices all the time!
--"The red streaking is a fungus...
...The fungus is transported through the waste of the box elder bettle larve. It grows up through the tree and kills it very quickly."Your claim has recently be called into question by some research conducted here in Minnesota, from the article:"The results from this study provide evidence that red stain in boxelder is not caused by F. reticulatum as previously recorded in the literature. Instead, the stain appears to be produced by the tree as a non-specific host response."http://www.plantmanagementnetwork.org/pub/php/research/redstain/The red stained wood is not weakened or decayed and the tree is not harmed by it.
Interesting reading. I was going back to my high school days for the reasons (which was longer ago than I care to admit).
I saw this reddish colouring once in trunks of cherry trees which had been cut down and left on the ground for months. I gave some sections to a wood carver who turned nice bowls out of them.