FHB Logo Facebook LinkedIn Email Pinterest Twitter Instagram Plus Icon Close Icon Navigation Search Icon Navigation Search Icon Arrow Down Icon Video Guide Icon Article Guide Icon Modal Close Icon Guide Search Icon Skip to content
Subscribe
Log In
  • How-To
  • Design
  • Tools & Materials
  • Videos
  • Blogs
  • Forum
  • Magazine
  • Members
  • FHB House
  • Podcast
Log In

Discussion Forum

Discussion Forum

Ring shank nails extending through the siding battens and not pulling back out?

dlnash | Posted in General Discussion on October 22, 2020 11:00am

We are siding a house with cedar. The wall assembly is covered with 1/2″ osb, house wrap, 2″ comfort board 80, and 1′ x 3″ strapping. Is there any info out there about ring shank nails extending through the siding battens (strapping) and not pulling back out in the future?

Reply

Replies

  1. andy_s | Oct 23, 2020 02:03am | #1

    Not sure what the question is. Ring shank nails have more pull out resistance if that's what you're asking. How much? Try to pull one out.

  2. User avater
    unclemike42 | Oct 23, 2020 08:15am | #2

    https://www.realcedar.com/siding/installation/profiles/bevel/

    Above indicates this siding maker calls for ring shank nail to be embedded 1.25 inches in solid wood.

    (this is for cedar clapbords)

    https://www.maibec.com/imports/medias/pdf/en/installation-guide/maibec-installation-guide-individual-shingles-us.pdf

    (for shingles) calls for 0.5 inch of nail penetration in solid wood.

  3. dlnash | Oct 23, 2020 08:37am | #3

    Thank you so much UncleMike42. I have never seen that.

  4. User avater
    mikeljon | Oct 23, 2020 12:04pm | #4

    UncleMike brought the technical specs and evidence-based protocols; here's some anecdote. I'm residing my place, built in 1977, with cedar shingles. It was sheathed in 5/8" plywood and then had t-111 on it. The t-111 was in pretty decent shape, and I've removed and replaced the sections where there was rot (mostly bottom few inches where capillary action of the water sucked up rain that had shed to the bottom of the sheet). Firing 1 3/4" stainless nails from my Bostitch per cedar council's recommendations. Get an occasional misfire, where there is a second nail that goes in halfway. Usually there is about 3/4" or 1" of the misfired nail sticking out. The point is through the shingle (maybe 1/4" and 3/8" of homeslicker (drainage plane), so at most there is 1/2" of penetration of that misfired nail. They're a bear to get out. I usually have to get a big block and gently pry the nail with a lot of force to budge it. I am always impressed how much holding power those nails can muster. The 2 1/2" stainless trim nails: if I make a mistake and need to pull a board off, I simply start over with a new board because there isn't any getting those out without serious prybar action.

    1. dlnash | Oct 23, 2020 05:31pm | #5

      Thank you Mikeljon. i agree. SS ring shanks are a bear to pull out. I spoke with Western Red Cedar assoc. today and, although they said that 1 1/4" penetration into solid wood is what they recommend, they didn't go as far as saying they whole assembly was going to be a failure. Thank you for your insight.

      1. oldhand | Oct 24, 2020 08:33pm | #6

        Probably the nails will hold with only the strapping for a nail base IMHOP. Even if a few don't it's not like your house will explode or something other catastrophic.

Log in or create an account to post a comment.

Sign up Log in

Become a member and get full access to FineHomebuilding.com

Video Shorts

Categories

  • Business
  • Code Questions
  • Construction Techniques
  • Energy, Heating & Insulation
  • General Discussion
  • Help/Work Wanted
  • Photo Gallery
  • Reader Classified
  • Tools for Home Building

Discussion Forum

Recent Posts and Replies

  • |
  • |
  • |
  • |
  • |
  • |
View More Create Post

Up Next

Video Shorts

Featured Story

Episode 1: Drywall Tools for the First Coat

Learn about mechanical and automatic tools such as the taper, the compound tube, and the banjo to make your drywall job better and easier.

Featured Video

How to Install Cable Rail Around Wood-Post Corners

Use these tips to keep cables tight and straight for a professional-looking deck-railing job.

Related Stories

  • Monitor Both Outdoor and Indoor Air Quality
  • What You Need to Know About Installing Steel Siding
  • Podcast 570: PRO TALK With Project Manager Jeremy Hess, Part 1
  • Podcast 569: Bath Fan Installs, Sunroom Trim, and Basement Control Layers

Highlights

Fine Homebuilding All Access
Fine Homebuilding Podcast
Tool Tech
Plus, get an extra 20% off with code GIFT20

"I have learned so much thanks to the searchable articles on the FHB website. I can confidently say that I expect to be a life-long subscriber." - M.K.

Get home building tips, offers, and expert advice in your inbox

Signing you up...

This site is protected by reCAPTCHA and the Google Privacy Policy and Terms of Service apply.
See all newsletters
See all newsletters

BOOKS, DVDs, & MERCH

Shop the Store
  • 2022 Fine Homebuilding Archive
    Buy Now
  • Code Check Building 4th Edition
    Buy Now
  • Pretty Good House
    Buy Now
  • 2023 Tool Guide
    Buy Now
  • Shop the Store

Fine Homebuilding Magazine

  • Issue 316 - July
    • Timber-Framed Solar Canopies
    • Build a Transom Above a Stock Door
    • Understanding Toilet Design and Efficiency
  • Issue 315 - June 2023
    • How to Craft a Copper Roof
    • 5 Lessons from Building in a Cold Climate
    • The Advantages of Cellular PVC Siding
  • Issue 314 - April/May 2023
    • 7 Options for Countertops
    • Tool Test: Wood-Boring Bits
    • Critical Details for Ductless Heat Pumps
  • Issue 313 - Feb/March 2023
    • Practical System for a Seismic Retrofit
    • Fine Homebuilding Issue #313 Online Highlights
    • Practical System for a Seismic Retrofit
  • Issue 312 - Dec 2022/Jan 2023
    • Tool Test: Cordless Tablesaws
    • Gray-Water System for a Sustainable Home
    • Insulate a Cape Roof to Avoid Ice Dams

Fine Homebuilding

Follow

  • twitter
  • facebook
  • instagram
  • pinterest

Newsletter

Get home building tips, offers, and expert advice in your inbox

Signing you up...

This site is protected by reCAPTCHA and the Google Privacy Policy and Terms of Service apply.
See all newsletters
See all newsletters

Membership & Magazine

  • Online Archive
  • Start Free Trial
  • Magazine Subscription
  • Magazine Renewal
  • Gift a Subscription
  • Customer Support
  • Privacy Preferences

Taunton Network

  • Green Building Advisor
  • Fine Woodworking
  • Fine Gardening
  • Threads
  • About
  • Contact
  • Advertise
  • Careers
  • Copyright
  • Terms of Use
  • Site Map
  • Do not sell or share my information
  • Privacy Policy
  • Accessibility
  • California Privacy Rights

© 2023 The Taunton Press, Inc. All rights reserved.

X
X
This is a dialog window which overlays the main content of the page. The modal window is a 'site map' of the most critical areas of the site. Pressing the Escape (ESC) button will close the modal and bring you back to where you were on the page.

Main Menu

  • How-To
  • Design
  • Tools & Materials
  • Video
  • Blogs
  • Forum
  • Reader Projects
  • Magazine
  • Members
  • FHB House

Podcasts

  • FHB Podcast
  • ProTalk

Webinars

  • Upcoming and On-Demand

Podcasts

  • FHB Podcast
  • ProTalk

Webinars

  • Upcoming and On-Demand

Popular Topics

  • Kitchens
  • Business
  • Bedrooms
  • Roofs
  • Architecture and Design
  • Green Building
  • Decks
  • Framing
  • Safety
  • Remodeling
  • Bathrooms
  • Windows
  • Tilework
  • Ceilings
  • HVAC

Magazine

  • Current Issue
  • Past Issues
  • Magazine Index
  • Subscribe
  • Online Archive
  • Author Guidelines

All Access

  • Member Home
  • Start Free Trial
  • Gift Membership

Shop the Store

  • Books
  • DVDs
  • Taunton Workshops

More

  • FHB Ambassadors
  • Reader Projects
  • Podcast
  • FHB House
  • Customer Support

Account

  • Log In
  • Join

Newsletter

Get home building tips, offers, and expert advice in your inbox

Signing you up...

This site is protected by reCAPTCHA and the Google Privacy Policy and Terms of Service apply.
See all newsletters
See all newsletters

Follow

  • twitter
  • facebook
  • instagram
  • pinterest

Join All Access

Become a member and get instant access to thousands of videos, how-tos, tool reviews, and design features.

Start Your Free Trial

Subscribe

FHB Magazine

Start your subscription today and save up to 70%

Subscribe

We hope you’ve enjoyed your free articles. To keep reading, become a member today.

Get complete site access to expert advice, how-to videos, Code Check, and more, plus the print magazine.

Start your FREE trial

Already a member? Log in